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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Did you give him a link to this thread?
    Would very much like to hear an official explanation/policy about this stuff.
    He said
    "Thanks. We don’t do proactive compliance. We only ask for SSN/ID if they cross $10,000.01 cumulatively across the Casino floor. We have a gaming requirement to obtain such information at those thresholds. It isn’t a tax thing it is a gaming requirement. There could have been a mistake made but maybe he had table/slot play. If they had an issue please re-iterate to reach out to me via Twitter."
    His twitter contact is @JeffreyBenson12
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    Not the only reason they could ask for your social. Love how people feel so entitled to not ever have to provide anything despite winning money by picking a sporting event. As stated by others, they are not going to provide you with information that can make things easier to finesse their rules later. Same like people banging the table to get a sportsbook to prove they are multi-accounting. If you want your money give them what they ask, why is that so hard?

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    There is only 1 reason a sportsbook can demand an SSN or refuse payment: a CTR. If your total transactions are less than 10k, they can't refuse to pay you without an SSN.

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    more dumb tread. you have to do that for every books. only crypto or betpoints not since they are fake.

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    I always thought the limit was $600. Or is that just for casino games?

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    They do this at Caesar’s Sportsbook at Monmouth Park also. If it’s $3000 or more you have to fill out with SS #But they insist it has nothing to do with IRS. And nothing will get sent to house. I don’t get it but that’s what it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjsuax13 View Post
    Interesting. They pride themselves on a hassle free experience. Iíve met Derek personally many times and he even hosted me for a weekend at The D for the contest and everything was A+++. I donít think heíd like hearing this but there may be new laws/requirements as he continues to scale. Sometimes the minions also take themselves too seriously.
    does derek put shit in his nose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowbama View Post
    They do this at Caesar’s Sportsbook at Monmouth Park also. If it’s $3000 or more you have to fill out with SS #But they insist it has nothing to do with IRS. And nothing will get sent to house. I don’t get it but that’s what it is
    Is it $3000 in winnings or $3000 total payout ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gym rat View Post
    Is it $3000 in winnings or $3000 total payout ?
    3k is the cutoff for an SAR. They can ask for it, but you don't have to give it. Sportsbooks sometimes falsely claim you have to so they can ID you and ban you more easily. If that happens, you can ask them to pay you with no SSN, and if they refuse, ask gaming commission to intervene.

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    I will plan to not play anymore at Circa. There are many other books to play at in Vegas that show more respect. I don't need to play at Circa if they don't appreciate the action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vampire assassin View Post
    There is only 1 reason a sportsbook can demand an SSN or refuse payment: a CTR. If your total transactions are less than 10k, they can't refuse to pay you without an SSN.
    Well this is how they will treat you at Circa for some payouts like mine that are under $10K in a day. I will just play at some of the other books in Vegas and avoid Circa. The line manager was very inarticulate and didn't seem to care about me as a customer so I don't need to play there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gym rat View Post
    I will plan to not play anymore at Circa. There are many other books to play at in Vegas that show more respect. I don't need to play at Circa if they don't appreciate the action.
    If they have managers who make up rules about SSNs on the spot, and threaten to report the winnings as punishment for asking why they are doing that, then you should do that and tell your friends to avoid as well.

    Don't need to deal with books who treat you like a criminal for wanting to "structure" your betting to stay under 10k and avoid the IRS red tape. Just shows how that person thinks of you like an enemy/cheat, not a customer.

    Hopefully Jeff Benson pops in here and sets the record straight about what their exact policy actually is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    If they have managers who make up rules about SSNs on the spot, and threaten to report the winnings as punishment for asking why they are doing that, then you should do that and tell your friends to avoid as well.

    Don't need to deal with books who treat you like a criminal for wanting to "structure" your betting to stay under 10k and avoid the IRS red tape. Just shows how that person thinks of you like an enemy/cheat, not a customer.

    Hopefully Jeff Benson pops in here and sets the record straight about what their exact policy actually is.
    Yeah it appears there are several other books in Vegas that are not requiring social security number for their makeshift Sportsbook policy for total payouts less than $10K .

    So I will probably stick to WestGate Superbook or tryout Southpointe which is also 24 hours I believe when I'm in Vegas.

    I just can't understand why such a popular sportsbook like Circa that supposedly prides themselves on Customer Service and No hassles can do business like this. Apparently this is just a sign of the times with Customer Service these day.

    And furthermore to tell a customer that they will not disclose what their policy is however go search google and you will find it there. Just seems extremely strange to me how so many companies operate these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vampire assassin View Post
    3k is the cutoff for an SAR. They can ask for it, but you don't have to give it. Sportsbooks sometimes falsely claim you have to so they can ID you and ban you more easily. If that happens, you can ask them to pay you with no SSN, and if they refuse, ask gaming commission to intervene.
    She made it very clear that if I didn't give her my social security number that I would never see my money and furthermore I would be banned from playing at Circa Sportsbooks.

    They already had my ID and know exactly who I am as I have a players card for Circa and you need to present ID to obtain the players card. In fact, I didn't have my players card with me so I presented my ID when I arrived to cash the ticket so they could look up my players card account.

    After they had my ID and verified bet ticket and my players account, she then demanded my social security number or my $9000 would never be seen again and furthermore I'd be banned from playing at Circa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gym rat View Post
    She made it very clear that if I didn't give her my social security number that I would never see my money and furthermore I would be banned from playing at Circa Sportsbooks.
    They already had my ID and know exactly who I am as I have a players card for Circa and you need to present ID to obtain the players card. In fact, I didn't have my players card with me so I presented my ID when I arrived to cash the ticket so they could look up my players card account.
    After they had my ID and verified bet ticket and my players account, she then demanded my social security number or my $9000 would never be seen again and furthermore I'd be banned from playing at Circa.
    Gaming commission would help you in that spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vampire assassin View Post
    3k is the cutoff for an SAR. They can ask for it, but you don't have to give it. Sportsbooks sometimes falsely claim you have to so they can ID you and ban you more easily. If that happens, you can ask them to pay you with no SSN, and if they refuse, ask gaming commission to intervene.
    I've seen those YouTube videos on the BlackJack Card Counters who get stopped from playing in Casinos and have to argue and debate and threaten to call police and gaming commission and go through the gauntlet to be able to cash out their chips without showing their ID.

    I'm really not interested in going through an experience like that to get paid out on a winning sports wager for not wanting to give out my social security number all the time.

    Even if technically , I didn't need to give them my social security number , I wasn't interested in days of communication and legal battle threatening and lots of wasted time to try and get my $6K back plus my $3K in winnings.

    I will just plan to wager at another sportsbook when I'm in Vegas next time. The Wiilliam Hill rep in a neighboring casino Downtown said they don't require if total payout is under $10K

    I won't know for sure though until I try a payout there though.

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