[Otters27]

I've been playing for 10 cents a hand. Seems like no way to win and a frustrating game

[pavyracer]

You got to martingale if you want to win. It's very hard to lose 10 hands in a row and if you get the BJ with the last hand it's a bonus.

[Orbison]

yes my friend it is

[Dutch]

Play a few hours a day and you'll lose 10 in a row at least a few times a week.

[pilebuck13]

Pretty funny thread otters last night I sat down with 200 live BJ lost every hand but 1 betting 20 dollars a hand every hand and I was playing by the book to a T I don’t understand it either

[DJK]

I've been playing for 10 cents a hand. Seems like no way to win and a frustrating game

If you aren't playing the live games, then you will not win IMHO. Play live baccarat instead and you will have a much better chance to win.

[TheMetsSuck]

Recently disabled my bookmaker live blackjack, lost like 18 out of 20 hands and a gave back a huge profit I had built up that week

[DJK]

You got to martingale if you want to win. It's very hard to lose 10 hands in a row and if you get the BJ with the last hand it's a bonus.

Doing the Marty is the absolute worst way to play blackjack.

It may be hard to lose 10 in a row, but it happens and I've lost 20 in a row. If I did the Marty, then at a $25 minimum table I would hit the max bet at only 7 losses in a row and if I kept on betting the max, I would have lost $44,000.

I was down $1,200 just 2 days ago playing different table games, so I went to a $100 minimum blackjack and won 10 in a row with 4 double downs and 1 blackjack and cleared $1,450 in a matter of only 5 minutes. I quit right there since the winning streak could turn on a dime and I could go on a 10 losses in a row. What kills me is that if I pressed like I normally do, I would have won over 5K in 5 minutes starting with only $100.

That table was so streaky that the other guy I was playing with stayed and he went on a several winning streaks of 7 or more, but he would also lose 7 or more in a row. He was a very smart player as he never raised his bet when losing; only when winning, so he actually ended up winning quite a bit.

I know a player who plays blackjack for living and counts cards. His claim is that he never had a losing year for the past 18 years.

[sweethook]

no way to beat BJ , try baccarat its very beatable just stay in units .. gl

[sweethook]

Pretty funny thread otters last night I sat down with 200 live BJ lost every hand but 1 betting 20 dollars a hand every hand and I was playing by the book to a T I don’t understand it either

its because the player goes first , no way to win . but baccarat they dont care how much you win . gl

[stevenash]

If they changed the name of the game to '22' I'd be a millionaire.

[Otters27]

Pretty funny thread otters last night I sat down with 200 live BJ lost every hand but 1 betting 20 dollars a hand every hand and I was playing by the book to a T I don’t understand it either

Yes. The dealer just never busts.

[Orbison]

I've lost 20 in a row.

which casino was this at?

[PD77]

Roulette is the devils game.

[jjgold]

Bacarrat is your friend if you chart

[pologq]

was this online? i will agree till i am on my death bed

just no way to beat online BJ. that RNG is bullshit.

[PD77]

There’s used to be decent online casinos that dealt from a shoe, but now every casino out there reshuffles the 8 deck shoe after every hand. I wised up a long time ago because there’s no way to get on a roll or get any rhythm, it’s just dealer 20 and 21 every hand.

[pologq]

There’s used to be decent online casinos that dealt from a shoe, but now every casino out there reshuffles the 8 deck shoe after every hand. I wised up a long time ago because there’s no way to get on a roll or get any rhythm, it’s just dealer 20 and 21 every hand.

exactly. 20 or 21. even if it takes 8 cards.

i'll draw 20 with two picture cards and they show 3. 2nd card is a 2, then a 6, then a 4, 3 Aces and finally a 3. then i throw my phone.

[pablo222]

I played the devils game last night and pushed and lost a bunch of hands with 20.

Got the hell out of there before bankroll was gone.

[pologq]

recommend 100% disabling casino unless you want to play small and consider it fun

i should just do $2 a hand to pass the time but i have no self control. i will lose 10 hands and then want to make back the $20 quick. then i lose the $20 hand and it spirals.

[d2bets]

You got to martingale if you want to win. It's very hard to lose 10 hands in a row and if you get the BJ with the last hand it's a bonus.

No, just no.

Actually it's really easy to. I've played a lot and massive streaks happen. Both ways. I actually prefer sort of the opposite. Increase after each win, looking for a huge winning streak. Martingale you will eventually flame out huge.

[DJK]

which casino was this at?

Borgata.

I will never forget that session not because how badly I lost but because it was a big mistake to even have played then as I was tired as hell and I wasn't thinking straight when I played. I bought in for $500 at a $25 minimum no mid-shoe table and never won a hand before I lost it all flat betting $25. At least I was smart enough to leave after that session and went to bed instead of staying and fighting.

I like to play alone one on one and when I lose 2 in a row or 3 at the most, I switch it up by going to 2 hands and even 3 hands at times. In that session, I never did any of that and just kept on playing one hand thinking it will turn and it never did.

It was no big deal as after a good night rest I just played a $100 minimum table with the hand shuffles and not the machine shuffles at $25 minimum tables and took only 5 more wins than losses to break even.

[DJK]

Ever since the ASM (automatic shuffling machines) came around, which can clump the low cards together which in turn is very bad for the players as the dealers just won't break that often if it's the case, I don't play that much of blackjack anymore. I still play sometimes, but only if it's hand shuffles.

Now, I play mostly the game that's on my avatar and it's called Pai Gow Tiles. Almost no Americans play that game as it requires memorizing the tile rankings from 1 to 16 and it requires proper strategy setting the hands. It's mostly Asians who play that game. Besides roulette, craps, and baccarat, that's the only table game where casino cannot rig the game in their favor. All other card games which use the ASM can be rigged and if you watch the games enough then it's very obvious that you will NEVER win.

I saw an American playing the Tiles yesterday at Borgata by himself and he lasted 8 hours with his $40 at a $20 minimum table. He left the table with his original $40 plus some change in $1 chips as you have to pay 5% commission on wins. Do you know any casino game where you can play 8 hours without losing 2 unit bankroll?

I was playing with him when I won $200 in less than 1/2 hour so I quit and went to bed. When I went back down 8 hours later, he was still there with the same money he had when I was playing with him. I asked him if he bought in more and he said no.

The problem with him is that it's all about the seat and he just doesn't get that concept because he was bouncing all over the table even after I told him which seat was the winning ones and he needed to stay on those seats.

It's the same with all other table games except for the three games I mentioned above, roulette, craps, and baccarat. It's all about the seat; especially with the cash poker games.

That guy definitely is not a good gambler because he told me he lost 3K at Bally's playing baccarat betting $500 a hand and betting against a trend. That's definitely NO NO in baccarat. NEVER EVER BET AGAINST A TREND. There are players who does that and does win, but why? It's much less stressful following a trend than betting against it.

If he did what I told him to do, i.e. betting $500 a hand on a seat I told him to play at the Tiles game, he would have easily recovered 3K that he lost at Bally's. I won 10+ on the same damn seat betting $20 minimum before I quit. 10 x $500 = $5,000 - $250 commission, so he could have won $4,750 which means he is now UP $1,750 instead of still being down 3K.

Maybe he was out of money and just wasting time before he was leaving today.

[d2bets]

Ever since the ASM (automatic shuffling machines) came around, which can clump the low cards together which in turn is very bad for the players as the dealers just won't break that often if it's the case, I don't play that much of blackjack anymore. I still play sometimes, but only if it's hand shuffles.

Now, I play mostly the game that's on my avatar and it's called Pai Gow Tiles. Almost no Americans play that game as it requires memorizing the tile rankings from 1 to 16 and it requires proper strategy setting the hands. It's mostly Asians who play that game. Besides roulette, craps, and baccarat, that's the only table game where casino cannot rig the game in their favor. All other card games which use the ASM can be rigged and if you watch the games enough then it's very obvious that you will NEVER win.

I saw an American playing the Tiles yesterday at Borgata by himself and he lasted 8 hours with his $40 at a $20 minimum table. He left the table with his original $40 plus some change in $1 chips as you have to pay 5% commission on wins. Do you know any casino game where you can play 8 hours without losing 2 unit bankroll?

I was playing with him when I won $200 in less than 1/2 hour so I quit and went to bed. When I went back down 8 hours later, he was still there with the same money he had when I was playing with him. I asked him if he bought in more and he said no.

The problem with him is that it's all about the seat and he just doesn't get that concept because he was bouncing all over the table even after I told him which seat was the winning ones and he needed to stay on those seats.

It's the same with all other table games except for the three games I mentioned above, roulette, craps, and baccarat. It's all about the seat; especially with the cash poker games.

That guy definitely is not a good gambler because he told me he lost 3K at Bally's playing baccarat betting $500 a hand and betting against a trend. That's definitely NO NO in baccarat. NEVER EVER BET AGAINST A TREND. There are players who does that and does win, but why? It's much less stressful following a trend than betting against it.

If he did what I told him to do, i.e. betting $500 a hand on a seat I told him to play at the Tiles game, he would have easily recovered 3K that he lost at Bally's. I won 10+ on the same damn seat betting $20 minimum before I quit. 10 x $500 = $5,000 - $250 commission, so he could have won $4,750 which means he is now UP $1,750 instead of still being down 3K.

Maybe he was out of money and just wasting time before he was leaving today.

IF that was actually true, wouldn't that also mean that high cards would also be clumped together, which would be good for the players?

[DJK]

No, just no.

Actually it's really easy to. I've played a lot and massive streaks happen. Both ways. I actually prefer sort of the opposite. Increase after each win, looking for a huge winning streak. Martingale you will eventually flame out huge.

Even though I would never do it, had I done a positive Martingale on my 10 in a row win streak at $100 minimum table, I would have hit the table max bet of 6K on the 7th hand. I cannot bet any more than the table max, so 8th, 9th, and 10th bet would be 6K each.

I stopped after the 10th win, so I would have cleared $30,000+ in 5 minutes. It would have been more like $42,000+ since I had 4 double downs (2 of them in the table max rounds) of which I won all of them.

That's all within 5 minutes.

[DJK]

IF that was actually true, wouldn't that also mean that high cards would also be clumped together, which would be good for the players?

Yes, high cards being clumped together will be in players' favor, but don't you think the casino wins with the low cards being clumped together more than make up for what little advantage we get from the high cards being clumped together?

All I know is this. I fared quite well playing blackjack before the ASM came around because you can get win streaks where you can press. Not so much after the ASM was invented so I gave up playing blackjack since I don't count cards. I used to think that it's just me thinking that these machines are doing the clumping until I recently ran across an AP whom I said never lost for 18 years playing blackjack. He actually has the same opinion of the ASM and he also prefers hand shuffles if he can get them.

Think about this.

Just about all casinos everywhere, in the high roller pits, it's all hand shuffles for the $100 minimum blackjack tables except for Harrah's in AC. Even there, you can ask for a hand shuffle.

Whether it's just superstition or wrongful thinking that the shuffling machines can affect the outcome, it's obvious that the high roller pit players prefer the hand shuffles over the ASM.

[pologq]

i think hand shuffles are always better if you can get them. just so rare now.

of course online takes that out of the equation.

[JIBBBY]

Black crap is a hard game to beat. Single deck and count cards is your only hope.

[jjgold]

everything streaks ride them and get off bad ones

[mama whoiscrying]

17 in a row for me. With multiple dd chances. Brutal game.

[DJK]

Roulette is the devils game.

Not according to some AP's.

Apparently, there is a method to random madness to win consistently in roulette. I just don't want to spend my time learning and doing it.

You won't win big, but you can win.

[JIBBBY]

Double up theory you can make money in short spurts. Bet then double up again if you lose on the next hand, then double up again and again until you win. Reset and do it all over after the win.

It gets nerve racking though if you lose let's say five hands in a row. Bank roll gets tapped fast. Not for the faint of heart.

[DJK]

Double up theory you can make money in short spurts. Bet then double up again if you lose on the next hand, then double up again and again until you win. Reset and do it all over after the win.

It gets nerve racking though if you lose let's say five hands in a row. Bank roll gets tapped fast. Not for the faint of heart.

I don't normally play baccarat but started to within the last 3 months because of this Australian guy who made 700K in just 6 months and I'm trying his bet selection criteria/method.

So, I got to watch a lot of people playing baccarat and the table max is a LOT higher on baccarat tables than blackjack. For example, even at a $25 minimum baccarat table, the table max is $10,000. At Borgata, it's crazy high at $20,000. On a $25 minimum blackjack table, the max is only $3,000. Even at $100 minimum blackjack, the max is $6,000.

At baccarat tables, I saw so many people doing the Marty and getting killed in a very short time.

Just a month ago, one woman who only bet banker won quite a bit (at least 6K+) in 2 shoes doing Martingale but that was because the player side never went beyond 3 in those 2 shoes which is kind of rare. Then, it took 14 in a row player to wipe out her $18,000. She kept pulling out 1K orange chips out of her purse and kept on doubling up after several losses of $300 bets. It took her 8 hands to lose it all and she wanted to borrow from the guy next to her to bet 6K and it was a good thing that he didn't let her as she would have lost that too.

With baccarat, I've seen it all in just 3 short months as I saw an Indonesian guy lose $200K in less than an hour betting 20K per hand and that was just last Sunday. He never reduced the bet size no matter how many he was losing in a row.

He lost 200K with the board below and it makes absolutely no sense as with that Australian's bet selection, he could have won or at the worst come out about even.

[DJK]

Below pic is from this past weekend.

He won 2 hands of 16K and 20K playing blackjack, so he is a big enough whale not to have a table limit.

He has in-front of him about 15 x 1K chips and 30 x 5K chips for a total of $165,000.

At one point, he played 3 hands of 20K each which ended up with 3 splits plus 3 double downs, so that was worth $180K in total bets. He thought he didn't have enough to double down on his last hand, so he asked for 50K marker but it turned out he had enough and he won it all when the dealer broke on the first card pulled on her 5 up card. That's $360K swing in one round if the dealer made 17 or better as none of his hands had 17 or higher.

[Orbison]

had you seen this guy in the casino before? i'd love to see a video of him playing