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    Jokic wins MVP

    13th player to win back to back

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    Knew it after Moroni mushed embid

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    well earned for jokic. even though giannis was in the mix, it was embiid or jokic. knowing that, it was sad to see so many black players talk about how embiid deserves the MVP.. obviously ignoring the absurd job by jokic

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    👏 👏 Way to go big guy.

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    Embid got robbed

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    Let's, see?

    10 weeks left in the season

    Embid -145
    Jokic +300

    I ask myself, "Where is the value, where is the value"?

    Easiest 300 I ever made in my life.
    It's all in the value.

    Well, I guess a certain somebody "isn't going to spit in my face" (direct quote) when, not if, but when Embid wins the MVP award?

    Riddle me this?

    How can "a top five all-time great center" (another direct quote) be a five-time great center when a current center has just won his second consecutive MVP, that being Jokic.

    How can a so called " top five all-time great center" (direct quote) be an elite defender when he doesn't garner a single defensive player of the year vote, meanwhile another MVP award winner, and former DPOY award winner as well that being Giannis, picked up a slew of DPOY voters this season? And another current center, that being Gobert has won so many DPOY awards he doesn't even have enough room for anymore trophies on his fireplace anymore for trophies?

    Fact of the matter is Embid can't distribute like Jokic can, the assist data proves that out, fact of the matter is Jokic out rebounded Embid this season, that can not be refuted, it's irrefutable, the data proves that out as well.

    Embid did win the scoring crown this season, James wins that if he played in just two of his final four games to qualify for that title. But rules are rules, kudos to Embid for that accomplishment.
    I wonder if you can apply the term "absurd variance" here?

    Since Giannis played the majority of his minutes on the floor at the position center, and not power forward, he's technically a C/PF, not a PF/C, that would make Embid the third best center in the league.

    So, riddle be this one more time, how can the currently third best center in the league be a "top five all time center"?
    If so, that would make Jokic and Giannis a top four and top three center.
    And they are not.

    If a certain someone, and you know who you are thinks about direct quoting this post, word of advice, I'd give that thought a hard second thought, because know this and know this well pal, if you do, I will make your forum rest of your life here a living hell. A nightmare.

    There's a message in those last two sentences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Let's, see?

    10 weeks left in the season

    Embid -145
    Jokic +300

    I ask myself, "Where is the value, where is the value"?

    Easiest 300 I ever made in my life.
    It's all in the value.

    Well, I guess a certain somebody "isn't going to spit in my face" (direct quote) when, not if, but when Embid wins the MVP award?

    Riddle me this?

    How can "a top five all-time great center" (another direct quote) be a five-time great center when a current center has just won his second consecutive MVP, that being Jokic.

    How can a so called " top five all-time great center" (direct quote) be an elite defender when he doesn't garner a single defensive player of the year vote, meanwhile another MVP award winner, and former DPOY award winner as well that being Giannis, picked up a slew of DPOY voters this season? And another current center, that being Gobert has won so many DPOY awards he doesn't even have enough room for anymore trophies on his fireplace anymore for trophies?

    Fact of the matter is Embid can't distribute like Jokic can, the assist data proves that out, fact of the matter is Jokic out rebounded Embid this season, that can not be refuted, it's irrefutable, the data proves that out as well.

    Embid did win the scoring crown this season, James wins that if he played in just two of his final four games to qualify for that title. But rules are rules, kudos to Embid for that accomplishment.
    I wonder if you can apply the term "absurd variance" here?

    Since Giannis played the majority of his minutes on the floor at the position center, and not power forward, he's technically a C/PF, not a PF/C, that would make Embid the third best center in the league.

    So, riddle be this one more time, how can the currently third best center in the league be a "top five all time center"?
    If so, that would make Jokic and Giannis a top four and top three center.
    And they are not.

    If a certain someone, and you know who you are thinks about direct quoting this post, word of advice, I'd give that thought a hard second thought, because know this and know this well pal, if you do, I will make your forum rest of your life here a living hell. A nightmare.

    There's a message in those last two sentences.
    Philly was dominated in games 1 and 2 by Miami, they rolled Miami in games 3 and 4.

    Embiid is the better scorer, rebounder, shooter, and he's the far better defender. Jokic is better at one thing, passing.

    Embiid play in the Miami series, a series he's dominated defensively playing with a broken bone in his face and a mask on, has made the debate meaningless.

    Embiid is without question a top 5 center, no center in NBA history has ever shot 37% from 3 and averaged 30 the way Embiid did this year.

    Not 1 in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    Philly was dominated in games 1 and 2 by Miami, they rolled Miami in games 3 and 4.

    Embiid is the better scorer, rebounder, shooter, and he's the far better defender. Jokic is better at one thing, passing.

    Embiid play in the Miami series, a series he's dominated defensively playing with a broken bone in his face and a mask on, has made the debate meaningless.

    Embiid is without question a top 5 center, no center in NBA history has ever shot 37% from 3 and averaged 30 the way Embiid did this year.

    Not 1 in history.
    So, I guess that means you're not going to spit in my face?

    Stay classy asshole.
    Go back to your picks thread where all you is pathologically lie.
    That fact is also irrefutable.
    You spew your opinions as fact without data, all I do is disprove your lies with facts.

    I'm going to drop the mic now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    Jokic is better at one thing, passing.
    Hes also better at MVPs I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJay View Post
    He’s also better at MVP’s I guess
    I guess all the sports writers missed that memo that states sports writers don't like to give back to back MVP awards, they want to promote others.
    That has to make top ten stupidest things he's ever said on a list of thousands of stupid things he's said.

    And Jokic outrebounded Embid as well.
    Oh, ask me about +/-
    He's not going to like that data either.

    God, what a delusional idiot he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamsNCharge99 View Post
    Embid got robbed
    You MIGHT want to look at the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    You MIGHT want to look at the numbers.
    Liars figure, figures don't lie.

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    I know one thing Steve. Jokic would not have missed the first two games of the series like Embiid did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    I know one thing Steve. Jokic would not have missed the first two games of the series like Embiid did.
    Embiid had a broken bone, he wasn't cleared to play. You know nothing.

    Embiid has already played more games than Jokic in the second round - because Jokic got eliminated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    Embiid had a broken bone, he wasn't cleared to play. You know nothing.

    Embiid has already played more games than Jokic in the second round - because Jokic got eliminated.
    That's the stupidest take on anything ever posted here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    So, I guess that means you're not going to spit in my face?

    Stay classy asshole.
    Go back to your picks thread where all you is pathologically lie.
    That fact is also irrefutable.
    You spew your opinions as fact without data, all I do is disprove your lies with facts.

    I'm going to drop the mic now.
    Quote Originally Posted by BigJay View Post

    He’s also better at MVP’s I guess
    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    I guess all the sports writers missed that memo that states sports writers don't like to give back to back MVP awards, they want to promote others.
    That has to make top ten stupidest things he's ever said on a list of thousands of stupid things he's said.

    And Jokic outrebounded Embid as well.
    Oh, ask me about +/-
    He's not going to like that data either.

    God, what a delusional idiot he is.
    Embiid is still playing, Jokic isn't.

    Embiid is elite defensively, Jokic plays no defense.

    Just stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    I know one thing Steve. Jokic would not have missed the first two games of the series like Embiid did.
    he didn't miss them by choice. he had to properly clear concussion protocols and go by the rules. he certainly does not have issues playing hurt or with a mask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    I know one thing Steve. Jokic would not have missed the first two games of the series like Embiid did.
    You got that right LB

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    Treeemendous back to backer.

    Unreal.


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    Outstanding work

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Outstanding work
    There is some serious talent scattered about the NBA these days.

    We've really seen it on display since the Bubble Playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    That's the stupidest take on anything ever posted here.

    This is saying a lot, when everything he has posted has been stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    There is some serious talent scattered about the NBA these days.

    We've really seen it on display since the Bubble Playoffs.

    Booker's been playing out of his shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ View Post
    This is saying a lot, when everything he has posted has been stupid.
    It's next level stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ View Post

    This is saying a lot, when everything he has posted has been stupid.
    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post

    It's next level stupid.
    2 tools.

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    Giannis probably the true MVP, embiid rly choked this award away

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    Giannis probably the true MVP, embiid rly choked this award away
    I happen to think you're right.
    The difference is one may carry his team to another championship.
    However, his team has a supporting cast of Middleton and a cast of other quality players, as where Jokic has a supporting cast of pretty much a bunch of hamburgers.

    Still doesn't change the fact that they both possess once in a lifetime, God given skillset.
    Embid is a high volume scorer, he can't do all the other things the aformentioned player can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    Giannis probably the true MVP, embiid rly choked this award away
    The issue Philly had the final month of the season was Harden was trash, it had nothing to do with Embiid. Doc also blew several games by having Embiid on the bench to start the 4th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    I happen to think you're right.
    The difference is one may carry his team to another championship.
    However, his team has a supporting cast of Middleton and a cast of other quality players, as where Jokic has a supporting cast of pretty much a bunch of hamburgers.

    Still doesn't change the fact that they both possess once in a lifetime, God given skillset.
    Embid is a high volume scorer, he can't do all the other things the aformentioned player can.
    Embiid is a far better shooter than Giannis, Giannis is a barely average shooter. Stop.

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    All 3 have a glaring weakness to their game

    Jokic: defense
    Giannis: outside shooting
    Embiid: availability

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    All 3 have a glaring weakness to their game

    Jokic: defense
    Giannis: outside shooting
    Embiid: availability
    Embiid had no issue with availability this year or last year. He had a bone broke in his face and missed 2 games this series, but that's just a fluke play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    I happen to think you're right.
    The difference is one may carry his team to another championship.
    However, his team has a supporting cast of Middleton and a cast of other quality players, as where Jokic has a supporting cast of pretty much a bunch of hamburgers.

    Still doesn't change the fact that they both possess once in a lifetime, God given skillset.
    Embid is a high volume scorer, he can't do all the other things the aformentioned player can.
    Good call on the jokic prop and if I'm not mistaken you had considered giannis as well at great odds during the 7th inning stretch of the regular season

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    Embiid had no issue with availability this year or last year. He had a bone broke in his face and missed 2 games this series, but that's just a fluke play.
    He missed some time during a crucial part of the MVP race where jokic and giannis Gaines ground. Doc, Morey and harden all a part to play but the end result is the end result. History rarely remembers the excuses

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    He missed some time during a crucial part of the MVP race where jokic and giannis Gaines ground. Doc, Morey and harden all a part to play but the end result is the end result. History rarely remembers the excuses
    No he didn't. Embiid was hurt by the fact that Harden played horribly, he never missed any significant time after the first 2 weeks of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    No he didn't. Embiid was hurt by the fact that Harden played horribly, he never missed any significant time after the first 2 weeks of the season.
    He missed 2 games during the stretch run after the all star break and over a dozen on the season. I guess it could be considered insignificant but the other guys made up massive ground on his MVP lead towards the end

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