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    Twinspires Bites The dust

    This is just one usa book that’s going to start closing down in the I read they’re going to a retail business only

    I guess good move
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    Where are you seeing this? Their website doesn't mention it and I can't find any news about this online.

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    They mostly do horse racing which is a business that takes more in person bets than sports betting businesses, so its not that surprising.

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    https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne...o_wagering_123


    Just three years after launching an online sports betting and casino business in New Jersey under its now-defunct BetAmerica brand, Churchill Downs Inc. CEO Bill Carstanjen said Thursday that the company is exiting the online sports and casino wagering space.

    "We will exit the (business-to-consumer) online wagering space," Carstanjen told investors during a conference call. "This isn't the result we wanted, but it is the prudent next step."

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    Didn't 888 sports pull out of NJ too? or was it everywhere it pulled out of. Twinspires was kind of weak.

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    I think so

    We will see many many more

    Bet365 will close to in NJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I think so

    We will see many many more

    Bet365 will close to in NJ
    Yep, excluding Las Vegas books, the only two US sports books left standing will be DraftKings, and Fanduel,
    FD and DK have been pointing toward this when FD launched in 2009, and DK in 2012.

    Those two had pretty much a ten year head start on everybody else, everybody else is playing catch up, and never will

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    Horse racing is going to get smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Horse racing is going to get smaller.
    Yeah, it's not yours or mine grandpas game anymore when back in the day they would flock to the Big 'A' on a weekday and draw 24,000 to watch a card loaded with allowance races.

    Today's racing is all elite now, what I mean is if the race isn't at least a Grade II stakes race, nobody but the hard core race fan is interested.

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    Racing volume still decent

    Most tracks
    Will never
    Close
    Because cash cow casinos behind them

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Racing volume still decent

    Most tracks
    Will never
    Close
    Because cash cow casinos behind them
    They just shut down the track and build more slots and hotels.

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    In NJ, I would estimate that Unibet will close as well. It's another kambi clone, bad lines, site doesn't work well.

    DK,FD doing well. Caesars will stick around. Wynnbet. Barstool, but just for the name. Sugarhouse. Bet mgm.

    There are many books that will eventually drop though. There are atleast 15 in NJ. It's too saturated. The books that will drop are the worse ones.

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    Waterman excellent post and dead on

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    Here in Iowa they just announced a Purse increase at this horrible track Prairie Meadows which is awful as i said before I've lived here in Iowa since 04 and have been there 4 or five times at best this place stinks the apron is all concrete with just a few benches and tables.Inflation is thru the roof and the casino continues to support the races.IM Surprised no congressman as discussed taking away there welfare and giving the money elsewhere.

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    Twinspires today told me they got rid of their $1,000 risk-free play, and now it's measly $100. And in NJ wouldn't even let me play that $100 free play, because the ridiculous software they use said I either go to PA or Mich to wager it. They told me those two states are "universal" log-ins, but NJ is on it's own. They will go under.
    Even Bet America is NJ was bad.

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    Small places basically going bankrupt

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Small places basically going bankrupt
    Goldy, what is your Horse bankroll for this wkend?

    And what tracks will you be playing?

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    Goldy, FYI...this forum might be Dead. Father Gold may have to give the Last Rites.

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    I wonder if jjgold will start the last thread before SBR bites the dust when he finds out his paycheck bounced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    I wonder if jjgold will start the last thread before SBR bites the dust when he finds out his paycheck bounced.
    He'll be just fine.
    He'll find another lawn to mow or a driveway to plow.
    Don't worry about Coach, he's multi talented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    Goldy, what is your Horse bankroll for this wkend?

    And what tracks will you be playing?
    Chucky I am into a new thing with horses

    EasyRider turned me onto it

    DERBY WARS addicted to site

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Chucky I am into a new thing with horses

    EasyRider turned me onto it

    DERBY WARS addicted to site
    I like the ponies, but I don't have the time to handicap the little claiming races and maidens.
    I love the prime time races though.

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    As long as twin spires keeps horse racing I will be fine.

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    Online sports is a low margin business. Very costly to acquire players.

    The move makes sense as our retail business is strong. Horse racing also very strong.

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    Nucker give us a fukkin winner pal

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    He'll be just fine.
    He'll find another lawn to mow or a driveway to plow.
    Don't worry about Coach, he's multi talented.
    Coach is in big trouble -- no opportunities for old white men anymore -- must be female, gay, or a minority

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtneer1212 View Post
    Coach is in big trouble -- no opportunities for old white men anymore -- must be female, gay, or a minority
    Or woke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Chucky I am into a new thing with horses

    EasyRider turned me onto it

    DERBY WARS addicted to site
    Goldy...you know you (WE) have a problem when you're betting Mechanical Horses at the D in Vegas. The old Fitzgeralds (on 2nd floor).

    We started charting horses and running it thru Thorograph. Next time we get out there, we'll play the Mechanical Horses.

    Good Luck. Hope u hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gauchojake View Post
    Nucker give us a fukkin winner pal
    Cuse +7.5

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    What book is next??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    What book is next??
    Bet Rivers.
    They wanted in on the Connecticut market here, thought they could play with the big two, only to find out DK and FD are whooping them.

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    Rivers spends tons of money adversity

    Pa they hold their own

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Bet Rivers.
    They wanted in on the Connecticut market here, thought they could play with the big two, only to find out DK and FD are whooping them.
    They do have Sports Haven/Winners locations which helps them out a lot. I've been to Sports Haven a bunch of times and usually lots of guys at the kiosks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusherrr View Post
    They do have Sports Haven/Winners locations which helps them out a lot. I've been to Sports Haven a bunch of times and usually lots of guys at the kiosks.
    Haven't been yet.
    Any good?

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    Let’s be realistic here for a minute.
    Almost everything in all major casinos will go away but slot machines. This dominates all their revenue and it’s not even fukin close…. They will shut down card rooms huge books where they can cram massive amounts of slot machines in. You will be left with a tiny window or kiosk. Slots are king.

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