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    OldBill
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    WHATS the BEST game to Play in any CASINO

    BEST paying with lowest house edge is CRAPS or DICE

    it's traced back to Cave men who actually tossed bones on the ground thats why you hear roll them bones

    SO i been playing Craps since Resorts casino 1st opened and have finally hit the best way to Guarantee a win ...

    FOUND out this method 5 years ago and i havent had a losing month in Crap playing yet

    HERE it is tweaked by me .....

    OK table minimum is $15 mostly where i play

    minimum starting bank $300

    YOU can just play DON't pass and smile hearing 7 out or out 7 or whatever they say

    and IF any player throws you 7 or 11 NO action after until dice pass even with my system ...

    HERE it is Place 15 $ on D P point Established is 9 YOU need to lay 3$ to WIN $2 so you lay $18 to win $12

    if 7 out your total pick up is $15 +$18 +$15 +$12 = $60

    NOW YOU place the 9 for $20 that pays 7-5 Total PICK up is $48 - THE $33 on DP profit is $15

    7 out YOUR profit is $40 again if any shooter hit's YOU with a 7 or 11 NO action until dice pass

    NO betting hard ways or field bets or come bets or don't pass or any one shot bets like 12 or 2 or 11

    THE house edge on the straight bets pass or dont pass is 1.8% fixed Thats why a 12 pushes on DP but loses on Pass line and they only pay you 30-1 on any 12 or 2 when the odds are 1 in 36

    SURE some get lucky betting $50 hard ways or even $100 but wow do they give it back fast every time i seen them slam table when they 7 out and i mean 7 out 3 times around the table all 10 players YOUR # 11 YOU no throw dice ever keep the shooters in rhythm ...... thats why you see stick man flip dice delaying to get the dice to a hot shooter

    YOU cannot play huge without getting id taken by pit bosses seen it 3 months ago at Parx young black dude had thousands on him in every pocket pit boos came over to pull him aside and check him out

    I never saw this before in any casino ....... SO ummmmmmm ok if YOUR losing but DO NOT start busting them for THOUSANDS daily they will limit you or say you can play any other game tonite but NOT DICE

    Think i'm joking try it .... BUY in for $1000 win $2000 after 6 hours BYE BYE and they happyier than guy that was in prison 5 years getting his first lay ......... Because you won on the don't pass they raked in like $20,0000 on the pas line players

    ONE year long ago i told them after they asked why i bet both ways i said i can make like $45 to $65 per hours this way ........... they all like smirked .....OK gentlmen it's 2 PM i have $360 in front of ME I will not bet any thing but the DP and Place the POINT established then i stop at 3 pm and COUNT if i have 65$ profit I want a FOOD comp for ME n wife to eat at the finest restaurnt in here


    was perfect for me because the players were making numbers more than 7 out so i placed for more and laid less odds

    LIKE if point was 6 or 8 i'd lay $6 to win $5 but place the 6 or 8 for $30 to win $25 Lose $21 pick up $55 $34 profit

    etc etc 3 pm i stop betting take count of chips in rack $360 started wammmmmmm I now have $520 $160 won

    i said hold off on the comp i'm not done playing yet i want to go 2 more hours ...

    well as alwys the players left new players come in and i had to adjust because table rhythm changes

    THEY buy in mid roll GRRRRRRRRRRRRR making bets too delaying the player getting dice back

    so after dice go roaund i get the right reads on new players and adjust


    ONE year about 6 years ago playing D P only i'm up huge $150 1st hr black female comes up on my left at the end flat makes point I stop .......... BOOM BOOM BOOM makes 3 more passes 7's out on 5th

    ok now i go back dp and wait she gets dice again i jump on pass line guess what she repeated it again I have every number placed went full press on each 4 5 6 9 10 point was 8 i'm collecting green and balck chips

    long story short she did this again and i'm like wanting to hug her ... she cashes out so do i ....

    I started on this $10 minimum table with only $200 I cashed out $5575 i just kept saying wow wow never saw anyone do that they all said same thing too


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    I would enjoy learning a system. I am going to Vegas middle of March. Want to make the money last! Just a bit confused when you are using the word "profit". What's confusing me is you lay $20 get $48 it is not $48 profit. Would appreciate a more comprehensive breakdown of the amounts and "IF" this happens you win X, "IF" this happens you lose X. Remember in you explanation, the money down is yours not the houses. Only count the house's money as + value. While your money is either - or +. Could use the help! Love the HARD 8! Have had some great night with it. I always bet the aces after thrower has a dice leave table.
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    Yeah, some of the op’s numbers aren’t adding up. Craps is one of the best odds games in the casinos, especially if you can get crazy 20x, 30x, 50x odds. I’ve always been a great craps shooter. You do not want to play DP when I’m shooting.

    But I really think Blackjack is a great bet when you are great at counting.

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    Bill what exactly is your edge there pal? Quantify that for me. THANKS
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    Charting baccarat

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    Craps or baccarat give you the best chance to have a winning session. Nobody is going to win over the long term.
    The house percentage against you is small but the more you play the more it takes.
    Pass line with odds and come bets and odds only. All others are a no play. DP also works but people hate you.

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    This was all pre-Covid as I havenít rolled up to Reno or flew to Vegas since, but I think BJ is the best. But I generally drink so can only play BJ for 2 hrs.

    After BJ, I then head to craps if there are only 3-4 players. I hate crowded tables unless Iím with a group of friends and weíre just partying at the table. Small table is best as I generally just bet when I shoot with 3-3 diagonal on top. I do iron cross with 3-4 rolls then take it down. Dealers sometime hate it but it works for me in the long run.

    Tip for the dark side: personally canít say if itís true but my friend says go when the table first opens as they use fresh and very sharp edges dice. These dice will 7 outs in very high probability until they are worn down.
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    straight sport bets...

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    At resorts ? I’m here right now

    you remind of a poster with a golf logo damm

    uscphilly would know who im
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    I had to withdraw some money from draft kings , I’m legit right here , you here ,

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    also wait for streaks and then come in

    Maybe bet $1 Bacarrat and if you go 3-7 try $2 next 10 hands

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    Craps has the best odds for the players.


    Math donít lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostongambler View Post
    Craps has the best odds for the players.


    Math don’t lie.
    Yep
    Pass line backing it up with double odds (ten times if offered)
    Basic don't pass line too.

    Blackjack, single or double deck playing basic strategy cuts the house edge down to about two percent.
    Gives the player a fighting chance, but still expect to lose two bucks on every hundred, which is still better than laying standard -110 on a football game.

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    Craps is the BEST! . I only bet 6 and 8 .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machba View Post
    Craps is the BEST! . I only bet 6 and 8 .
    Do you 'buy' the number and just pay the juice?

    Six and eight the house edge is about 1.5 percent.
    Five and nine, that edge goes up to 4%
    Four and ten, house edge increases to 6.67%

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Do you 'buy' the number and just pay the juice?

    Six and eight the house edge is about 1.5 percent.
    Five and nine, that edge goes up to 4%
    Four and ten, house edge increases to 6.67%
    Yes i only put on 6 and 8 it is the most common rolled besides 7 obviously. The staff at stratosphere one year saw me betting nothing but ( NO 4) and losing , I saw the employee on break eating and he said only play 6 and 8 . So i have only done that since and it has been lucrative for me the lil that i do play when i play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machba View Post
    Yes i only put on 6 and 8 it is the most common rolled besides 7 obviously. The staff at stratosphere one year saw me betting nothing but ( NO 4) and losing , I saw the employee on break eating and he said only play 6 and 8 . So i have only done that since and it has been lucrative for me the lil that i do play when i play.
    Yeah.
    If you must play the four or ten you're much better off buying the number for the five percent commission and getting true 2:1 odds payoff.

    If you really must bet the board, leave the five and nine alone, 'buy' the four and ten and pay the 5%

    If I'm really stroking the die, I'll do this sometimes, say my point is six, I'll back it up 2x, place bet the eight for 18, 'buy' the four and ten for 25 dollars each, pay the commission, and get true 50 dollars back on each hit.

    Normally when I'm on a pretty hot table, it's pass line, back it up, and 18 dollars on six and eight each.

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    Pass line bet is 1.41 percent with no odds, becomes 0.8 percent with single odds, 0.6 percent with double odds and so on. The house edge on 6 or 8 is 1.52%

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Charting baccarat
    LOL. what a bunch of fuckin goofs on Here. The people listen when u talk JJ smarten up

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggie12 View Post
    LOL. what a bunch of fuckin goofs on Here. The people listen when u talk JJ smarten up
    By charting you can predict a completely random outcome, only if your fortune teller gives you good mojo that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Huntertz View Post
    By charting you can predict a completely random outcome, only if your fortune teller gives you good mojo that day.
    And when the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Huntertz View Post
    By charting you can predict a completely random outcome, only if your fortune teller gives you good mojo that day.
    What if your counting cards ������

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    And when the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars.
    tried this now I'm selling my house and living in a van down by the river.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggie12 View Post
    tried this now I'm selling my house and living in a van down by the river.

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    Craps has the best odds but a guy has to cover all the numbers to get them....minimum 650.00 on the table

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    nothing compares to counting cards in blackjack. Only game where player can have edge on house.

    I've explained this before, although it's still possible to count cards the casinos have smartened up by cutting out more then 2 decks out of shoe. Your odds drastically change compared to 1.5 decks.

    If you are flat betting and dont have a big bankroll you will be better off working at McDonald's with the time you'll be spending for minimal gains

    If your back counting and only throwing down money on high true counts you better have a huge bankroll because you will be backed off pretty quickly.

    If you aren't 100% accurate with your count you will lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggie12 View Post
    nothing compares to counting cards in blackjack. Only game where player can have edge on house.

    I've explained this before, although it's still possible to count cards the casinos have smartened up by cutting out more then 2 decks out of shoe. Your odds drastically change compared to 1.5 decks.

    If you are flat betting and dont have a big bankroll you will be better off working at McDonald's with the time you'll be spending for minimal gains

    If your back counting and only throwing down money on high true counts you better have a huge bankroll because you will be backed off pretty quickly.

    If you aren't 100% accurate with your count you will lose.
    And don't 'accidentally' make a mistake while counting cards thinking it'll throw off the eye in the sky guys.
    On the contrary, the casino knows that trick it only sends up a big red flare.

    I read this insiders book written by a former casino executive in charge of of that sort of stuff.
    Very detailed, loaded with inside casino information, what they look for, etc. etc.

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    OK let me explain the system again

    $15 Minimum table BET Dont pass for $15 now lets say number established is 4 or 10

    YOU need to lay 2 $ to WIN $1 ok lay $20 to win $10 if they 7 out YOUR total PICK up is $15 +$15 + $20 +$10 thats $60 you placed the 4 or 10 for $20 that wins $36 $60 7 0ut - $20 placed = $40 NET profit now if point is made YOU total pick up is $20 +$36 = $56 but you lose the DP money $15 +$20 thats $35 $56 -$35 = $23 NET profit

    MY tweaked system is if any player hit's you any 7 or 11 NO BETS until dice are Passed because if your on any table 3 - 6 hours it all evens out

    for every 7 or 11 you will get a 2 or 3 or 12 which pushes on Don't Pass

    another thing 95% of players are random shooters in other words toss dice around trying to take 7's off or until they feel comfy or whatever and baby they rarely go more than 5 throws

    JUST stand around any craps table no matter the limit with pen n note book and write down how many players got passed 5 throws!

    NOW of course you adjust your wagers lets say players are making 2 or 3 passes simple math guys lay less on odds like instaed of laying $20 on 4 n 10 lay $10 to win $5 now place the 4 or 10 for more buy it FOR $25 to win $50 thats a $75 come back and lose only $15 and $10 $25 ---75$ -$25 = $50 or more if you place for $50 win $100 etc... etc... 5 6 8 9 points

    NOW of course they are in ice house they cant make any point YOU lay more $15 DP lets lay $60 to win $30

    place the point for Minimum $15 now a 7 you pickup $15 + $15 +$60 +$30 = $120 minus the $15 placed = total PICK UP $105

    YOU NEVER throw the dice NEVAH break the other players rhythm

    also if table isnt working for you move to another watch the players before placing a bet

    I killed my self throwing dice making the 4 n 10 b 2 b didnt place the points because i set dice on all 7's every side 5-2 top 4-3 5-2 4-3 6-1 out side 6-1 inside BUT wow of course 3rd point 6 or 8 i knew i would 7 out so tripled laid without placing points

    thats just what i notice playing craps over 40 years betting just DP they make a 4 or -01 next point 5 6 8 or 9 BAM 7 out


    test this system go to u tube search for live crap games then do not play ones where they say player goes hot 35 throws get in on the ones that just say regular stuff use note book imaginary bank roll $1000 make your own MIN wager $25 or $15 and play it honestly

    any naturals NO action until, dice pass OF course you have no pressure so it's different in r/t

    I love when people say you only winning like $5 and i say theres 10 people on this table not counting me so far each player last 2 mins on avaerge thats 30 times per hour i win $5 or MORe 30 X 5 = $150 hmmmmmmm 4 hours playing time X $150 is how much ooo yes $600 profit now do that 5 days a week thats $3000 per week X 52 weeks $156,000.00 FOR the Year or more depnding on how much you wager MORE

    ME i have so many casinos near me farthest is AC NJ 60 miles but costly tools and gas $25 gas $17 tolls is $42 BUT worth because there is 12 casinos in atantic city so comps and free money is higher

    once yu reach higher member status you aint paying for parking in any casino I never do most times stay over 1 night parking is free

    MY closest Casino gives shit in free play and food comps cant play craps tables most $25 - $50 minimum

    so i go to other casinos south harrahs in chester pa thats 14 miles away further south Delawre Park 42 miles Local in city 2 of them Rivers and LIVE hate both

    Parx north 22 miles west north valley forge which suxxxxxxxxx too they used to chrge $10 to get in to use in suck ass cafetira BUT after thousands complained after 5 years they stopped it

    ONE time i went up there loaded $5000 cash guy said to pay 410 i flashed the wad saying guess you aint getting none of my action in this casino

    i turned and walked away all of sudden he says wait wait I can let it go this one time let me call MGR i said NO thanx just wanted to prove to my friend that with me this would happen

    going to Parx casino where they let us in FREE like every casino in the world







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    Quote Originally Posted by Philmill View Post
    Craps has the best odds but a guy has to cover all the numbers to get them....minimum 650.00 on the table

    WRONG on $15 minimum table say point is 6 YOU have $15 pass $15 in back $15 on 4 $15 on 5 $18 on 8 $15 on 9 $15 on 10

    $30 +$30 = $60 +$18 = $78 +$30 = $108 hoping shooter holds dice 5 mins or more you hit every place and win the point

    4 pays $27 5 Pays $21 8 Pays $15 9 pays $21 10 pays $27 6 pays $15 + odds Pays $21 thats a huge $66 pickup plus the place numbers all hit who knows how many times

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldBill View Post
    for every 7 or 11 you will get a 2 or 3 or 12 which pushes on Don't Pass
    Lose on every 7 or 11 come out. That happens 22.22% of the time. Win on a 2 or 3. That happens 8.33% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philmill View Post
    Craps has the best odds but a guy has to cover all the numbers to get them....minimum 650.00 on the table
    No you don't. You only wager pass and come taking odds on every bet.
    The come wager is just like another pass bet but for the next roll.
    Playing come only accelerates your end result.

    You can make one pass line wager/take your odds and sit and wait for your point(win) or 7(loss).
    This is very boring as there could be 15-25 passes before your wager is decided. A lot of people play only 3 points.

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