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    Could you clear 16k a year betting?

    44 dollars a day. 10k bankroll using simple chasing. It can easily be done nobody has the discipline tho.

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    That’s how more rooms are added onto the casinos , Gomer.

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    No. If that was all I was making from betting on sports I would give it up.

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    Martingale?

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    no

    Buckles your a massive square

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    Yeah u can get %2-%5 arbs every day some arbs may be bets with low max but you can achieve that now add on free bets and deposit bonuses very manageable

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    no

    Buckles your a massive square
    Lol definitely not. Bad discipline yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddy Munny View Post
    Martingale?
    Surely

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    Honest answer:

    1) At one time, Yes.
    2) Now, No.

    A few reasons:
    a) Oddsmaker lines get sharper and sharper. In general.
    b) To produce the OPTIMAL portfolio, you need to sacrifice time. That means PREPARATION and time just WAITING for your strike-price.
    c) Also, can't be caught flat-footed with incorrect information too often.

    In short, you may find it quite boring. Seeking out optimal lines on small-markets. Props, if u can do it.

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    Tell that to the 1988 Baltimore orioles. 0-21 to start the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbill365 View Post
    Yeah u can get %2-%5 arbs every day some arbs may be bets with low max but you can achieve that now add on free bets and deposit bonuses very manageable
    Yup. But just take the +EV side and pass on the other.
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    Honestly how many would you have to lose In a row to go bust…. I’m not talking about going on tilt and betting the Hawaii game I mean on a decent card through the week is it that hard to win 308 dollars…. No way I’d lose 10 bets In a row. Never have… now it gets obviously more interesting if your shooting for more money with limits…

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilebuck13 View Post
    Honestly how many would you have to lose In a row to go bust…. I’m not talking about going on tilt and betting the Hawaii game I mean on a decent card through the week is it that hard to win 308 dollars…. No way I’d lose 10 bets In a row. Never have… now it gets obviously more interesting if your shooting for more money with limits…
    I've lost 12 in a ROW on -110 lines.

    Amazingly, that came after going 90-60 on my previous 150 plays. Streaks are mostly meaningless. You regress to your normal plateau.

    If you're a losing player, that will surface pretty quickly. And if you keep throwing bad money after bad money, you might have a real problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    I've lost 12 in a ROW on -110 lines.

    Amazingly, that came after going 90-60 on my previous 150 plays. Streaks are mostly meaningless. You regress to your normal plateau.

    If you're a losing player, that will surface pretty quickly. And if you keep throwing bad money after bad money, you might have a real problem.
    Never lost 10 in a row. I’m being honest here could you make 300 dollars with a 10 k bankroll and be done for the week? This is where the problem lies. The highest bankroll I obtained was 140k but greed will take you over. I still cashed out most of that thankfully but the betting got really reckless and borderlines insanity, idk think I lost close to 50k rams patriots Super Bowl only to get it back the next week…. Idk could discipline seriously be 90 percent the issue most bettors have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostongambler View Post
    Tell that to the 1988 Baltimore orioles. 0-21 to start the season.
    1984 Tigers
    Started the season 35-5

    Lost two in a row only once.
    If you bet the 'three' system, (fade the three game losing streak, tail the three game win streak until it ends), you would have already cleared over 20* flat betting alone.

    If you're a dime baseball player, making sharp spot bets, dogs only, it's obtainable.
    I'm not a big timer, hardly, but some of you old timers here may remember I was writing up Oriole games in 2016 when they were winning at like +160 dogs on a regular basis at an alarming rate.
    I'm pretty sure Laker Boy remembers.



    1984 Tigers


    Gm# Tm Opp W/L Streak
    1 DET @ MIN W +
    2 DET @ MIN W ++
    3 DET @ CHW W +++
    4 DET @ CHW W ++++
    5 DET @ CHW W +++++
    6 DET TEX W ++++++
    7 DET TEX W +++++++
    8 DET @ BOS W ++++++++
    9 DET KCR W-wo +++++++++
    10 DET KCR L -
    11 DET CHW W-wo +
    12 DET CHW W ++
    13 DET CHW W +++
    14 DET MIN W-wo ++++
    15 DET MIN W +++++
    16 DET @ TEX W ++++++
    17 DET @ TEX W +++++++
    18 DET CLE L -
    19 DET CLE W +
    20 DET CLE W ++
    21 DET BOS W +++
    22 DET BOS L -
    23 DET BOS L --
    24 DET @ CLE W +
    25 DET @ CLE W ++
    26 DET @ CLE W +++
    27 DET @ KCR W ++++
    28 DET @ KCR W +++++
    29 DET @ KCR W ++++++
    30 DET CAL W +++++++
    31 DET CAL L -
    32 DET SEA W +
    33 DET SEA W ++
    34 DET SEA W +++
    35 DET OAK W ++++
    36 DET OAK W +++++
    37 DET OAK W ++++++
    38 DET @ CAL W +++++++
    39 DET @ CAL W ++++++++
    40 DET @ CAL W +++++++++

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilebuck13 View Post
    Never lost 10 in a row. I’m being honest here could you make 300 dollars with a 10 k bankroll and be done for the week? This is where the problem lies. The highest bankroll I obtained was 140k but greed will take you over. I still cashed out most of that thankfully but the betting got really reckless and borderlines insanity, idk think I lost close to 50k rams patriots Super Bowl only to get it back the next week…. Idk could discipline seriously be 90 percent the issue most bettors have?
    You must not bet a lot of games. Just looking at games graded at one book I've had win and loss streaks of more than 10 many times. Because I place a lot of wagers. Hundreds per week. Tens of thousands per year. Get to a large number of wagers and you'll see it all.

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    Baseball is a totally different animal. We acknowledged the wise guys would bet the pitchers. Now ok, maybe bet the pitchers first give cuz every team has a 6th, 7th , 8th inning guy , then the closer.


    Also the worst teams still win 60 games a year. If they go 60-102 that’s a ton of games they will be big dogs in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    You must not bet a lot of games. Just looking at games graded at one book I've had win and loss streaks of more than 10 many times. Because I place a lot of wagers. Hundreds per week. Tens of thousands per year. Get to a large number of wagers and you'll see it all.
    Not even 100 in a week not even close maybe 20-25 a week tops

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilebuck13 View Post
    Not even 100 in a week not even close maybe 20-25 a week tops
    That's why it's hard to lose 10 in a row. Give it enough time and you'll see it all.

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    Yes you can but not by chasing, that won't work.

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    I think OP meant clearing +44 every day. How you clear it.... is on you. But yeah... you'd have to do some form of Martingale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot View Post
    I think OP meant clearing +44 every day. How you clear it.... is on you. But yeah... you'd have to do some form of Martingale.
    44 a day or whatever that works 308 a week…. On a weekly basis

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot View Post
    I think OP meant clearing +44 every day. How you clear it.... is on you. But yeah... you'd have to do some form of Martingale.
    Uhhhh, no.

    But if you are talking exactly +44 each day, only way is scalps. It's possible, but too restrictive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Uhhhh, no.

    But if you are talking exactly +44 each day, only way is scalps. It's possible, but too restrictive.
    I simply divided the number broke it into a small daily amount. I’d move it more on a weekly basis myself. Why does everyone honestly believe martingale is just a losing strategy… it’s honestly not with discipline and a large enough bankroll. Trying to beat the number takes so much dedication it would be a full time job and hard to do at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilebuck13 View Post
    44 dollars a day. 10k bankroll using simple chasing. It can easily be done nobody has the discipline tho.
    Zero discipline. More likely to fire a $5k shot and lose than be patient grinding it out. You know the drill!

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    Martingale works every time except once

    Unfortunately, that one time is where you lose your entire bankroll

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    How many people in here can honestly grind out any season of major sport and bet 2 percent of roll never lay juice and consistently beat the closer…… lol like no one really in here. But yet this is the advice they give everyone damn well knowing they probably have 0 idea of value and will never beat the numbers…. Nor do they have the time to beat the number…..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilebuck13 View Post
    How many people in here can honestly grind out any season of major sport and bet 2 percent of roll never lay juice and consistently beat the closer…… lol like no one really in here. But yet this is the advice they give everyone damn well knowing they probably have 0 idea of value and will never beat the numbers…. Nor do they have the time to beat the number…..
    You know how it goes brother! I can’t do 2% for a week. Hope you are well pal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjsuax13 View Post
    You know how it goes brother! I can’t do 2% for a week. Hope you are well pal.
    I’m good brother! Happy, healthy! Your a good man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilebuck13 View Post
    I’m good brother! Happy, healthy! Your a good man!
    You are a good man! Glad you have been focusing on your health and happiness my friend. Take care of yourself brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilebuck13 View Post
    44 dollars a day. 10k bankroll using simple chasing. It can easily be done nobody has the discipline tho.
    Buck, I had to think a little more about your Q. I know Bonuses aren't what they used to be. But Specials and Bonuses have to be worth something.

    If you include Bonuses with Handicappers...I think your $16k goal is modest and achievable. Why not?

    2.60x your nut on a $10k start. My question would be: *What markets are you attacking?

    Have to have 2 or 3 good wrenches in your toolkit. Markets where you KNOW you're betting into an edge.

    Handicapping is not ez. And most people will talk themselves into thinking they're +EV. When they're just throwing shit against the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    Buck, I had to think a little more about your Q. I know Bonuses aren't what they used to be. But Specials and Bonuses have to be worth something.

    If you include Bonuses with Handicappers...I think your $16k goal is modest and achievable. Why not?

    2.60x your nut on a $10k start. My question would be: *What markets are you attacking?

    Have to have 2 or 3 good wrenches in your toolkit. Markets where you KNOW you're betting into an edge.

    Handicapping is not ez. And most people will talk themselves into thinking they're +EV. When they're just throwing shit against the wall.
    Chucky it’s purely hypothetical, I don’t have the patience or discipline needed to manage that…. Do I think I could do it? Probably. Would the time and dedication be worth it? Idk….. I just believe if your not spot betting 99 percent will never make money due to the juice…..

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    Buck, my two cents. It boils down to a math question. Can you carve out enough +EV plays to create a Compound Interest machine?

    Very hard. And you don't get to just bet at post. As a bettor, it's your responsibility to optimize your string of bets.

    That means a lot of screen-watching and making sure you get 5-cents better etc. Long story short, I think it's POSSIBLE.

    But you have to have multiple outs and ability to get down at the right time. Out doing something else...and you missed the peak #? That's on you.

    Interesting topic. Can carve out an edge. But likely NOT windfall profits.

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    Im sure you could do it, but not sure you could do it year after year

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    you can do it in Colorado but you'll need a lot of burner phones..

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