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    A Pennsylvania Sportsbook Is Arguing my Futures Bet on Djokovic Shouldn't be Refunded

    This is ridiculous.

    I put a bet on Djokovic to win the Australian Open tournament long before the issues with his **** at the border.

    There is actually a book in Pennsylvania, Unibet, that sent me an email arguing that the bet should stand citing some obsecure rule that even if a player pulls out prior to the tournament the bets should stand, they are arguing these bets are all action.

    Djokavic didn't pull out either, he was kicked out of the country, so the obscure rule they are citing shouldn't apply anyways.

    This wasn't a big bet, but on principle this is absurd, and I will not use this book again if this bet isn't refunded.

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    I've been burned by this situation before in LV. Sorry, you're not getting a refund. Move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floridagolfer View Post
    I've been burned by this situation before in LV. Sorry, you're not getting a refund. Move on.
    No you haven't, be quiet. He was kicked out by the Australian government. This has never happened before. Its clearly an extenuating circumstance. He didn't withdraw, he got kicked out of the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    No you haven't, be quiet. He was kicked out by the Australian government. This has never happened before. Its clearly an extenuating circumstance. He didn't withdraw, he got kicked out of the country.
    Wow..
    You're just a colossal POS..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckandadime View Post
    Wow..
    You're just a colossal POS..
    Shut up, you are unintelligent.

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    The book is right. The odds listed on his competitors were contingent upon Djokovic playing. If he wasnt playing odds on Zverev, Nadal etc would have been much less. Thats why they list the odds as "all in".

    The reason why he isnt playing isnt relevant.

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    No case but bad pr

    Unibet is a tiny player in pa

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    The book just reversed their position and my bet will be refunded, this was the right thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pareto View Post
    The book is right. The odds listed on his competitors were contingent upon Djokovic playing. If he wasnt playing odds on Zverev, Nadal etc would have been much less. Thats why they list the odds as "all in".

    The reason why he isnt playing isnt relevant.
    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    No case but bad pr

    Unibet is a tiny player in pa
    No, this would have been a blatant violation of the spirit of the rules.

    The all action qualifier for futures bets implies the individual or team was given the chance to participate.

    The Australian government intervened to prevent him from having the chance to play - there was a 3rd party or did not allow the player to play, so the all action qualifier is irrelevant here.

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    You do not get a refund at all. If they refund you then they would be paying out too big of numbers on other players.


    I could see if you chose someone like 100 to 1 to win then they might give a refund. But they cant do it on the favorite.



    In Vegas they would not have refunded you. What makes the think that this is a made up story for attention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by playersonly69 View Post
    You do not get a refund at all. If they refund you then they would be paying out too big of numbers on other players.


    I could see if you chose someone like 100 to 1 to win then they might give a refund. But they cant do it on the favorite.



    In Vegas they would not have refunded you. What makes the think that this is a made up story for attention?
    I agree with you. I think all futures bets made before Djokovic was kicked out of the tournament should be refunded.

    This is an extreme extenuating circumstance.

    Again, Djokavic had been cleared to play in the tournament by the local Australian government before the national government stepped in. There is no logical reason anyone would have foreseen this happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by playersonly69 View Post
    You do not get a refund at all. If they refund you then they would be paying out too big of numbers on other players.


    I could see if you chose someone like 100 to 1 to win then they might give a refund. But they cant do it on the favorite.



    In Vegas they would not have refunded you. What makes the think that this is a made up story for attention?
    I think the correct resolution is to refund bets for all players as I said, but the books don't offer fair value in the futures market anyways, so most books will be fine anways.

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    Unibet
    Does not take a lot of action especially futures

    Just return the money

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Unibet
    Does not take a lot of action especially futures

    Just return the money
    Honestly, Iím in pa and never heard of Unibet. Is that book inside a wawa?
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    Unibet is refunding all futures bets on Djokavic

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    It is the discretion of the individual sportsbook whether or not to refund a futures bet. However, All sportsbooks state that future's are non refundable.

    Good luck man.

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    Just like horse racing futures... If your horse does not start the race due to injury or any other reason, you lose the bet, there are no refunds. Because everyone else is locked in at current odds.

    But out of principal, they really should refund those type of bets. In most cases we're not talking about a lot of money.

    Good to know you got it refunded Morino.

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    If the player is not allowed to pw form because a third party intervenes than the all action clause should become mute. Djokavic did not withdraw, he was never given the chance to participate

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    If the player is not allowed to pw form because a third party intervenes than the all action clause should become mute. Djokavic did not withdraw, he was never given the chance to participate
    I agree with this...

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    Books in Vegas have the stipulation at the bottom of their sheets that those types of futures bets are action, meaning it doesn’t matter what happens to the player before or during the tournament. Wagers are not refunded on action bets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by playersonly69 View Post
    You do not get a refund at all. If they refund you then they would be paying out too big of numbers on other players.


    I could see if you chose someone like 100 to 1 to win then they might give a refund. But they cant do it on the favorite.



    In Vegas they would not have refunded you. What makes the think that this is a made up story for attention?
    his bet was 5 dollars. they thought it over had a good laugh. and gave him an extra buck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonegambler23 View Post
    his bet was 5 dollars. they thought it over had a good laugh. and gave him an extra buck.
    LOL.

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    LMAO at someone who doesn't understand what a Futures bet means. If he bet on both Djokovich and whoever ends up winning the tournament he'd want a Push on Djokovich and full odds paid with no Rule 4 deduction on whoever won. Clown show.

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    Yeah really depends the book. Some books will refund if they withdraw before the tournament started. Some wont. Of course if they play a match and win and then pull out then the bet is dead. Good for them for refunding.
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    They saw your big square bet on Packers that will lose and figured to refund you the tennis future so you can bet more on them and lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by semibluff View Post
    LMAO at someone who doesn't understand what a Futures bet means. If he bet on both Djokovich and whoever ends up winning the tournament he'd want a Push on Djokovich and full odds paid with no Rule 4 deduction on whoever won. Clown show.
    You are unintelligent. If a player isn't given a chance to compete it's not their fault and the bets should not be graded as action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    They saw your big square bet on Packers that will lose and figured to refund you the tennis future do you can bet more on them and lose.
    You are unintelligent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    If the player is not allowed to pw form because a third party intervenes than the all action clause should become mute. Djokavic did not withdraw, he was never given the chance to participate

    You are unintelligent..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckandadime View Post
    You are unintelligent..
    We know this to be true

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    So, funny story....I'm at Ballys in Vegas in the AM.

    I grab a couple hot dogs from the Nathan's there for breakfast, circle my early baseball action, and head up to the sole ticket guy at the window.

    The gentleman in front of me, wearing crocks, cut off jeans, a Bass Pro Shops mesh camo hat and a Hamilton Rangers jersey, has a small wad of 100s in one hand, and a bigger wad of 100s in the other.

    He proceeds to bet $5500 on a Busch future Nascar prop that pays out like 2:1, so very doable.

    He turns to me w his ticket, smiles, and asks where I got those hot dogs.

    I point to the Nathan's stand.

    I shit you not, 90 seconds after placing that bet, news broke that Busch was being put on indefinite suspension/ leave for Domestic Abuse allegations.

    That hillbilly come running, double fishing dogs, down to the teller to beg for his $$$ back.

    The manager comes out, explained there's nothing they can do. Apologized profusely but to no avail- before he could continue his apology both those weiners were airborne.

    Dialed in like a scud missile, the weiners did their job & made the gentleman's point of view on the matter well known.

    Manager guy probably encured a dry cleaning bill from weiner 1, and Ballys maintenance surely had to deep clean a TV or 2 perhaps as weiner 2 had condiments on it and was aimed at the screen above & behind the teller lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckandadime View Post


    You are unintelligent..
    Quote Originally Posted by SEAHAWKHARRY View Post
    We know this to be true
    2 unintelligent posters

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEAHAWKHARRY View Post
    We know this to be true
    Oh look, its the Harry the beggar here to beg for another hundred to go pro.

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    It a bad argument to say that the all bets have action clause applies here. If a player is murdered, kidnapped, or there is an event like what happened with Djokavic where a third party intervenes that that clause should be void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    You are unintelligent. If a player isn't given a chance to compete it's not their fault and the bets should not be graded as action.
    Unibet Pa rule 5.11

    When placing “Outright” or “Place” bets, no stakes will be refunded on participants/outcomes that are not participating or withdrawing from an event (both prior and during), unless otherwise stated.
    https://pa.unibet.com/sportsbook-rules


    Does not matter the reason he withdraws.

    The rules which you agreed to over ride your opinion.


    "All In" futures are very normal btw. Nothing unusual here at all. The odds reflect the conditions they are offered under.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    It a bad argument to say that the all bets have action clause applies here. If a player is murdered, kidnapped, or there is an event like what happened with Djokavic where a third party intervenes that that clause should be void.
    It does not matter if aliens kidnap him. All bets are action.


    For PR reasons books will often void bets in high profile situations like this for the marketing value, but no reason they should have to.

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