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    USA Books Have To Tighten Juice To Knock Out Offshore

    If they do lights out except maybe 4 or 5

    They have everything and do everything well if not better than offshore except web based platforms and juice

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    I play at both

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    Nonstop with this BS.....

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    If I ever start an online book I'm calling up JJ to promote it....

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    How are line moves at USA books?

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    I bet onshore primarily and a little offshore. Just stop it JJ.......just stop

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    Oh I’m just getting started get used to the these threads and lots of them

    They get mocked on juice

    I’ll be leading a committee

    I’m relentless

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    Yes Gold, when the books are competing for our action it’s better for us bettors.


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    JJ, all day Sunday I was getting -108/-108 on all NFL games at DK
    (and I was screen shotting everything for proof when I do a comparison write up in a month or two)

    Sounds like DK is starting to 'get it' if you ask me.

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    Only nerds use USA books

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    How are line moves at USA books?
    What do you mean by "how"?

    Unsurprisingly, different books vary. From my limited state experience, Caesar's is the most offshore-like (e.g. BOL, BM) book. Kambi is pretty slow on a lot of moves, but Kambi books will limit after winning. Draftkings is a bit of a mixture. But these books are all so new so in flux.
    Last edited by d2bets; 11-03-21 at 10:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Oh I’m just getting started get used to the these threads and lots of them

    They get mocked on juice

    I’ll be leading a committee

    I’m relentless
    LMAO, you did most of the mocking.

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    Why would they do that???

    90%+ couldn't give a rats ass if you offered them 50 cent spreads to bet, they'd do it regardless

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMetsSuck View Post
    Only nerds use USA books
    I have DK and FD since it's now legal in Ct, and Heritage and BoL

    If I can get a better prop bet number at DK than I can at Heritage and BoL and bet the best number at DK, I guess I'm a square.

    Don't generalize dude, it's a sign of ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    Yes Gold, when the books are competing for our action it’s better for us bettors.

    This is why SBR should get deals from both US and offshore books and not focus one just one or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    I have DK and FD since it's now legal in Ct, and Heritage and BoL

    If I can get a better prop bet number at DK than I can at Heritage and BoL and bet the best number at DK, I guess I'm a square.

    Don't generalize dude, it's a sign of ignorance.
    Bingo. Sure, a lot of "nerds" use USA books. But that just makes it that much better for the non-nerds. Variety is never ever a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    I have DK and FD since it's now legal in Ct, and Heritage and BoL

    If I can get a better prop bet number at DK than I can at Heritage and BoL and bet the best number at DK, I guess I'm a square.

    Don't generalize dude, it's a sign of ignorance.
    Was clearly kidding but now I’m doubling down

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalikHusam View Post
    This is why SBR should get deals from both US and offshore books and not focus one just one or the other.
    I don't think it's going up to them.

    Thanks to the New Jersey model unregulated markets can't even be shown on the internet in those states.

    It's a bit of a clusterfukk making it togh to get both on the same site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMetsSuck View Post
    Was clearly kidding but now I’m doubling down
    Oops.
    I apologize.
    My sarcasm radar detector needs a second cup of coffee or it doesn't work right.

    My bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runeblade View Post
    If I ever start an online book I'm calling up JJ to promote it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Oh I’m just getting started get used to the these threads and lots of them

    They get mocked on juice

    I’ll be leading a committee

    I’m relentless
    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    LMAO, you did most of the mocking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    What do you mean by "how"?

    Unsurprisingly, different books vary. From my limited state experience, Caesar's is the most offshore-like (e.g. BOL, BM) book. Kambi is pretty slow on a lot of moves, but Kambi books will limit after winning. Draftkings is a bit of a mixture. But these books are all so new so in flux.
    How was in terms of holding juice etc. Bol is opinionated. They are fast but when everyone else moves and they don't...

    Limiting sucks. Thanks for the response

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    How was in terms of holding juice etc. Bol is opinionated. They are fast but when everyone else moves and they don't...

    Limiting sucks. Thanks for the response
    As far as juice goes, I haven't really seen any reduced juice. It's mostly -110/-110 pregame and -115/-115 live, or the equivalents. Pretty standard. But there are some nice differences in spreads at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    As far as juice goes, I haven't really seen any reduced juice. It's mostly -110/-110 pregame and -115/-115 live, or the equivalents. Pretty standard. But there are some nice differences in spreads at times.
    A friend was trying to explain to me why live is -115 instantly ... I'll reserve my answer. What's your take, d2bets?

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    I think it's -115 like almost all other lower limit offers.

    It's beatable and the book is managing risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StackinGreen View Post
    A friend was trying to explain to me why live is -115 instantly ... I'll reserve my answer. What's your take, d2bets?
    They know it's easier to beat so they are trying to make up for it a bit by taking more juice. And they can get away with it. I believe most offshores do it too.

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    Don’t worry it’s just a matter of time before legal states start blocking offshore sites, or offshore sites stop serving states with legal onshore wagering. There is no way this doesn’t happen, states are not going to allow money to flow offshore

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    Quote Originally Posted by capitalist pig View Post
    Don’t worry it’s just a matter of time before legal states start blocking offshore sites...
    It's the main model, stemming from NJ. It's been happening since the very beginning. Not sure if every legal state does it, but many followed NJ's lead for sure.

    It led to a change across many gambling websites and a change in the ads they were allowed to show.

    The US, for the most part, sees a regulated and an unregulated market and you are correct the co-mingling of the two will not stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capitalist pig View Post
    Don’t worry it’s just a matter of time before legal states start blocking offshore sites, or offshore sites stop serving states with legal onshore wagering. There is no way this doesn’t happen, states are not going to allow money to flow offshore
    I got to thinking here, are you in Florida?

    Isn't it still run by the tribe, even in the Hard Rock?

    They might not have the ability to block offshore by themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    I got to thinking here, are you in Florida?

    Isn't it still run by the tribe, even in the Hard Rock?

    They might not have the ability to block offshore by themselves.
    Governor Desantis and the Fl legislature will fight for the tribe. The tribe already made the first payment to the state on the 5 billion they are paying the state for sports wagering and expanded casinos, and since there is no state income tax in Fl, the tribe’s money is golden right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    They know it's easier to beat so they are trying to make up for it a bit by taking more juice. And they can get away with it. I believe most offshores do it too.
    I agree with you, they realize it's less sharp so they are making up for it with extra juice, or so they think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StackinGreen View Post
    I agree with you, they realize it's less sharp so they are making up for it with extra juice, or so they think.
    With the extra juice, there might be enough clueless tools out there to offset those with a clue. I suspect there is a huge divide between winners and closers betting live.

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    This loves to talk bullshit all day. But I like him because he fives us good fades. Jaguars! Astros! Bengals! Astros again because apparently he hasn't lost enough already betting them. But he pays his bookie on time every Saturday after he mows lawns for 8 hours.

    Then he finds time to analyze what is wrong with US books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big joe 1212 View Post
    JJ desperate to keep his paycheck
    JJ is a living legend.
    He always lands on his feet.
    Uncanny, but true.

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