1. 10-26-21 10:51 AM #36
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    With the convenience of crypto to move the $$$ around, unless the onshore offers an equal product, I will always bet offshore.
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  2. 10-26-21 10:52 AM #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by CappinTerp View Post
    I still use offshore books,do not understand why one would not. At -110 flat the break even is 52.5 %...so after net winnings take off about 25 %....you're break even is now at a # that makes it impossible to come out ahead !!!
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  3. 10-26-21 10:56 AM #38
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    I ran up a couple five dollar plays to $700 at DraftKings depositing $20 no rollovers
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  4. 10-26-21 11:29 AM #39
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    Land based are an option for me. no interest in paying the higher vig
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  5. 10-26-21 11:31 AM #40
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    Players are slowly filtering away from offshore for various reasons

    Pros like Fishhead need offshore
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  6. 10-26-21 11:54 AM #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by stake1 View Post
    Land based are an option for me. no interest in paying the higher vig
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    It's not higher vig when you can sometimes find different/better lines. Think about it. And most of the onshores are -110/-110 also, so I'm not sure why the perception of higher vig.
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  7. 10-26-21 12:10 PM #42
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    BAS is -105 all spreads now of course that is an edge if line same
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  8. 10-26-21 12:18 PM #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    It's not higher vig when you can sometimes find different/better lines. Think about it. And most of the onshores are -110/-110 also, so I'm not sure why the perception of higher vig.
    I get -$108 at Heritage. They had the Braves +$123 on their $0.04 cent overnight deal. don't take my word for it, just listen to the "Land Based Advocate" himself.
    Just days ago:

    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I get 10 to 30 cents better offshore almost every bet I make vs usa books
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  9. 10-26-21 12:18 PM #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by capitalist pig View Post
    Being in Fl I’m still using heritage, and with the Indians on their way to being the only one allowed to run mobile sports wagering in Fl it looks like I’ll hang with offshore till we see what kinda lines they will put up. They will have no incentive to offer anything, being they will be the only book in Fl.

    If I’m reading it right DK and FD are trying to get enough signatures to put it on a ballot in 2022 but it doesn’t seem to be working. There were three lawsuits trying to block the Indians and a federal judge threw the first one out, which makes the other two almost impossible to win

    I'm Florida also. Those fuks (Seminoles/Disney) are running ads nonstop using scare tactics to convince people not to sign. They're whole premise is "don't allow outsiders to come in and screw the locals" when in fact that's exactly what they're doing by eliminating competition. Any state politician who backed (took money) Amendment 3 in regards to gambling should be tried for treason, then taken somewhere remote and shot. These fuks scream free market and then do the exact opposite. Fukn' crooks all of them.
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  10. 10-26-21 12:28 PM #45
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    Of course the juice is better offshore but it’s gonna be more complications in the future and I see the writing on the wall
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  11. 10-26-21 12:30 PM #46
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    What complications Jj? All the A+/A rated books utilize Btc in, and Btc out. some of those books? they pay faster than a land based account/app
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  12. 10-26-21 12:39 PM #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I ran up a couple five dollar plays to $700 at DraftKings depositing $20 no rollovers
    You ran up a couple 5 dollar plays to 700 dollars ? Really a COUPLE ?
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  13. 10-26-21 12:40 PM #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by stake1 View Post
    What complications Jj? All the A+/A rated books utilize Btc in, and Btc out. some of those books? they pay faster than a land based account/app


    you get taxed on BTC though
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  14. 10-26-21 12:49 PM #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeatTheJerk View Post
    You ran up a couple 5 dollar plays to 700 dollars ? Really a COUPLE ?
    jj hasnt bet a nickle in years
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  15. 10-26-21 12:57 PM #50
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  16. 10-27-21 07:40 PM #51
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    I still play offshore. In this day and age, you should have several places to put money that can't be within the grasp of the government. I love the Caribbean, so I actually vacation down on an island very near Venezuela that has a popular book. Deposit cash and when gold is cheap like now, I make withdraws and buy big ass gawdy gold watches and ear rings for the ole lady.
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  17. 11-02-21 02:35 AM #52
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    So how many total are we talking? Let's just use BM or BOL as examples: About how many US players do they have that are active on a daily basis? Is it under a million or over a million?

    Because there are numerous states still not allowing sportsbetting.

    I say there has to be over a million people based in the US still using places like BM or BOL, or any of the others.
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  18. 11-02-21 03:02 AM #53
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    Only 13 states have legal sports online. Couple more states have walk in books, nothing online yet. Damn politicians in Georgia are scared to death to support legal gambling, except for stupid lottery. Truth is gamblers don't vote. Church groups do.
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  19. 11-02-21 05:45 AM #54
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    Texas ain’t legalizing it in a while so offshore still has my business.
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  20. 11-02-21 10:03 AM #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by unluckysob View Post
    Only 13 states have legal sports online. Couple more states have walk in books, nothing online yet. Damn politicians in Georgia are scared to death to support legal gambling, except for stupid lottery. Truth is gamblers don't vote. Church groups do.
    TN has it then its very possible for ANY southern state to get on board

    no more conservative or dumbass state gov than this place.....Still not sure how we were 1st to do it from

    the Southern states
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  21. 11-02-21 10:09 AM #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mike5 View Post
    TN has it then its very possible for ANY southern state to get on board

    no more conservative or dumbass state gov than this place.....Still not sure how we were 1st to do it from

    the Southern states
    True but our states sportsbooks are by far ran by the biggest idiots of any state , the stupid 10% hold , outrageous taxes and the yearly $750,000 fee to run a book.
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  22. 11-02-21 10:10 AM #57
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  23. 11-02-21 10:15 AM #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by Preds13 View Post
    True but our states sportsbooks are by far ran by the biggest idiots of any state , the stupid 10% hold , outrageous taxes and the yearly $750,000 fee to run a book.
    TN doesnt even have land based casinos ...all apps and websites....

    the I heard same things about all that here too, we have same high #s, but the books are still flocking here...TN only state with unlimited # of licenses since its all online. TN is the worst hold and fees ect and the books are flocking here and just been open a year tomorrow
    and i havent missed 1 single thing about offshore...just had my best nascar season
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  24. 11-02-21 11:27 AM #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by louisvillekid View Post
    With so many states now having legalized sports betting, I'm curious how many daily bettors are active at some of the popular offshore books.

    Is it in the tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, or over a million?

    Without SBR to protect the bettor? I would say zero.
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  25. 11-02-21 11:35 AM #60
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    All I use mostly even though it's legal in nj
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  26. 11-02-21 11:38 AM #61
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    when available in my state ,,i use usa book,,,,it safe
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  27. 11-02-21 11:54 AM #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by pabonaparte View Post
    Without SBR to protect the bettor? I would say zero.
    So don't bet with lower rated sites then.

    I just assume anyone that bets with USA books is a loser anyways. So they don't care if they pay $1 or more in vig since they don't expect to win.
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  28. 11-02-21 11:58 AM #63
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    Right now I’m not even that well-funded I think $100 in youwager $20 mgm

    If you play at the top books there’s no need for disputes
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  29. 11-02-21 11:59 AM #64
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    Besides JJSold, give me one good reason to play at a US book (Not that I can since I'm in communist state of Kalifornia)?
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  30. 11-02-21 11:59 AM #65
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    If you don’t have access to USA books play offshore
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  31. 11-02-21 12:04 PM #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Right now I’m not even that well-funded I think $100 in youwager $20 mgm

    If you play at the top books there’s no need for disputes
    Gold that's the entire penetrating reason this page was created in the first place
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