[646d6d]

SBR is a dying site, unfortunately. This is just one more nail in the coffin.

[Easy-Rider 66]

SBR is a dying site, unfortunately. This is just one more nail in the coffin.

SBR will adapt, survive, and grow with the new Legal landscapes (IMO). Carry on

[Microphone]

SBR will adapt, survive, and grow with the new Legal landscapes (IMO). Carry on

That's great if you're in a legal state. Sports betting is not legal in more places than it's legal.

Why not a transition? You're alienating a good portion of your site visitors.

[Easy-Rider 66]

That's great if you're in a legal state. Sports betting is not legal in more places than it's legal.

Why not a transition? You're alienating a good portion of your site visitors.

yeah good point. I live in a state where it's not legal yet. But hopefully soon as their is a bill pending. but get your drift

[CanuckG]

Interesting. No use for us Canadians I guess.

Youre in Ontario. Betrivers will be there end of year. Followed by fanduel, draftkings, caesars etc after

[ajdickey]

of course - goodbye SBR

[CanuckG]

That's great if you're in a legal state. Sports betting is not legal in more places than it's legal.

Why not a transition? You're alienating a good portion of your site visitors.

By 2025 it will be legal in at least 40 states

[konck]

You could be back in business
But you have to stop the farce it's very easy to spot

[kthxacer]

Today's sports betting landscape is shifting by the second, with an ever-growing focus on the U.S. regulated market.

Sportsbook Review is ready to embrace this opportunity – and we're bringing all of you along for the ride.

SBR has long been one of the industry's most trusted sources of strong sports betting content, expansive odds, premier bettor engagement and detailed sportsbook evaluations. And we promise to continue to maintain the high standards to which our faithful users have become accustomed.

We're building a vision of SBR for the next decade and beyond – and we're building the top team in the industry to help us achieve it. Here is what you can expect from the outset:

-- Detailed live odds from the top U.S.-regulated sportsbooks; with heavy hitters entering the U.S. sports betting space almost daily, focusing on those sportsbooks will enable us to provide the best and most well-rounded sports betting experience.

-- The most comprehensive sportsbook reviews in the industry.

-- Improved sports betting content across an even greater number of sports.

-- Increased engagement via our industry-leading forums, where we'll be relying heavily on your feedback as we look to introduce new and exciting features to the site.

It is our unending mission to take the best parts of SBR – and there are many – and make them even better. And you can be assured that we are listening, so feel free to share any and all thoughts you have on the site.

As we enter what is undoubtedly the most exciting period in the history of sports betting, we're elated to have the opportunity to build on SBR's sterling reputation.

And we can't do it without you.

Y'alll taking off the odds for the offshore books is a wiesel move, the only reason why I visit the site everyday is now eliminated.

Maybe it's time to code up a competitor....with offshore odds

RIP SBR Odds.

[flyingillini]

This is the best news! Congrats SBR

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Honestly, one of the main reasons why SBR was the best was the Odds page that showed lines for the offshore books.

So does this mean no more lines from the books we use?

[indio]

This is truly sad news. SBR has taken the money and sold themselves out to the machine. For some of us that have been using and reading SBR's constant and sharp industry update's and sportsbook ratings for almost 20 years, this indeed is a sad day. This is almost as monumental as Pinnacle leaving the US in '06 and PokerStars leaving the US on Black Friday after being extorted by the Feds in 2011.

SBR's entire existence was catering to the player and the gamblers who wanted to exercise their liberties, and play freely with offshore bookmakers, the only viable option that they had. This meant every offshore operator from the top honest large companies, to the sleazy dishonest scammers, were researched and kept tabs on by constant player feedback and SBR's invaluable research and reporting. Players knew if they had a problem of any sort with an offshore book, SBR would at least be a place they could express it, and often times they'd have a great and powerful friend or at least a fair mediator with SBR, and one that the major books respected and took seriously when it came to player disputes. Those were good days, but like almost everything in life, nothing lasts forever I suppose.

SBR has now officially gone from one of the last bastions of quality information and mediation for players and offshore bookmakers (who actually function like bookmakers), to just another marketing outlet for foreign owned corporate recreational entertainment places that call themselves "sports books" (as if with hundreds of those already we needed another one). Can't fault them entirely, since the offshore business model has dried up for many reasons, and they have bills to pay just like everybody else, but it's still somewhat tragic to see them join a collection of usury vultures who exploit players, and who lobbied with their powerful allies to crush the smaller and less powerful innovators and players that SBR spent decades helping and defending. Sad days indeed.

So no longer can we even have ratings and updates on the last few old time offshore books who stayed in the market ,innovators, real bookmakers, loyal stalwarts, and long time loyal operators. No longer are the line services there to share the prices of those real markets that are left. Now, it's just a site to promote corporations owned by Israeli and British billionaire's, and majority stockholders like Larry Fink's BlackRock Financial and other banking houses. These are the corporate houses charging ridiculous holds and margins, horrible product offerings and services, and business models designed to completely limit or shut off completely any player or trader that has the "gall" to actually have the ability to earn a profit, or bet intelligently.

Sad to see you join forces with the enemy, but all the same, I'd like to thank you SBR for your great and insightful presence over the years. You were like having a powerful advocate and industry watchdog in my corner for 20 years. Thanks to your ratings, and warnings, I was able to bet a lot of wagers at a lot of places, and even with transactions totaling figures too large to even speculate what 20 years worth ended up being, I never had even a single dollar stolen or forfeited at any of the many sportsbooks I used over the years. A couple times, your red flags persuaded me to not deposit or keep money with some sportsbooks beginning to be in distress, and those warnings proved prophetic and saved me thousands. Your listings and recommendations helped me build long and fruitful relationships with companies that gave me a lot of great action, a lot of fun, and some profitable and memorable scores over the last 20 years.

You were great SBR. You will be missed.

[Auto Donk]

outstanding!!

SBR always had long term vision

it takes long range vision, even binoculars, to spot certain things...........

[Auto Donk]

ps, does this mean SBR is going to celebrate by amping up a SBR WORLD CUP OF POKER Promo before year's end...........


this ain't the f'n ryder cup, it's the goddam SBR WORLD CUP OF POKER -- IT IS PLAYED EVERY YEAR!!!!!

[Fishhead]

outstanding!!

SBR always had long term vision

You've been knocking USA BASED BOOKS for months

Now you're reading to embrace them for your agenda

[kthxacer]

this is truly sad news. Sbr has taken the money and sold themselves out to the machine. For some of us that have been using and reading sbr's constant and sharp industry update's and sportsbook ratings for almost 20 years, this indeed is a sad day. This is almost as monumental as pinnacle leaving the us in '06 and pokerstars leaving the us on black friday after being extorted by the feds in 2011.

Sbr's entire existence was catering to the player and the gamblers who wanted to exercise their liberties, and play freely with offshore bookmakers, the only viable option that they had. This meant every offshore operator from the top honest large companies, to the sleazy dishonest scammers, were researched and kept tabs on by constant player feedback and sbr's invaluable research and reporting. Players knew if they had a problem of any sort with an offshore book, sbr would at least be a place they could express it, and often times they'd have a great and powerful friend or at least a fair mediator with sbr, and one that the major books respected and took seriously when it came to player disputes. Those were good days, but like almost everything in life, nothing lasts forever i suppose.

Sbr has now officially gone from one of the last bastions of quality information and mediation for players and offshore bookmakers (who actually function like bookmakers), to just another marketing outlet for foreign owned corporate recreational entertainment places that call themselves "sports books" (as if with hundreds of those already we needed another one). Can't fault them entirely, since the offshore business model has dried up for many reasons, and they have bills to pay just like everybody else, but it's still somewhat tragic to see them join a collection of usury vultures who exploit players, and who lobbied with their powerful allies to crush the smaller and less powerful innovators and players that sbr spent decades helping and defending. Sad days indeed.

So no longer can we even have ratings and updates on the last few old time offshore books who stayed in the market ,innovators, real bookmakers, loyal stalwarts, and long time loyal operators. No longer are the line services there to share the prices of those real markets that are left. Now, it's just a site to promote corporations owned by israeli and british billionaire's, and majority stockholders like larry fink's blackrock financial and other banking houses. These are the corporate houses charging ridiculous holds and margins, horrible product offerings and services, and business models designed to completely limit or shut off completely any player or trader that has the "gall" to actually have the ability to earn a profit, or bet intelligently.

Sad to see you join forces with the enemy, but all the same, i'd like to thank you sbr for your great and insightful presence over the years. You were like having a powerful advocate and industry watchdog in my corner for 20 years. Thanks to your ratings, and warnings, i was able to bet a lot of wagers at a lot of places, and even with transactions totaling figures too large to even speculate what 20 years worth ended up being, i never had even a single dollar stolen or forfeited at any of the many sportsbooks i used over the years. A couple times, your red flags persuaded me to not deposit or keep money with some sportsbooks beginning to be in distress, and those warnings proved prophetic and saved me thousands. Your listings and recommendations helped me build long and fruitful relationships with companies that gave me a lot of great action, a lot of fun, and some profitable and memorable scores over the last 20 years.

You were great sbr. You will be missed.

100% agreed

[646d6d]

[Crusherrr]

This is truly sad news. SBR has taken the money and sold themselves out to the machine. For some of us that have been using and reading SBR's constant and sharp industry update's and sportsbook ratings for almost 20 years, this indeed is a sad day. This is almost as monumental as Pinnacle leaving the US in '06 and PokerStars leaving the US on Black Friday after being extorted by the Feds in 2011.

SBR's entire existence was catering to the player and the gamblers who wanted to exercise their liberties, and play freely with offshore bookmakers, the only viable option that they had. This meant every offshore operator from the top honest large companies, to the sleazy dishonest scammers, were researched and kept tabs on by constant player feedback and SBR's invaluable research and reporting. Players knew if they had a problem of any sort with an offshore book, SBR would at least be a place they could express it, and often times they'd have a great and powerful friend or at least a fair mediator with SBR, and one that the major books respected and took seriously when it came to player disputes. Those were good days, but like almost everything in life, nothing lasts forever I suppose.

SBR has now officially gone from one of the last bastions of quality information and mediation for players and offshore bookmakers (who actually function like bookmakers), to just another marketing outlet for foreign owned corporate recreational entertainment places that call themselves "sports books" (as if with hundreds of those already we needed another one). Can't fault them entirely, since the offshore business model has dried up for many reasons, and they have bills to pay just like everybody else, but it's still somewhat tragic to see them join a collection of usury vultures who exploit players, and who lobbied with their powerful allies to crush the smaller and less powerful innovators and players that SBR spent decades helping and defending. Sad days indeed.

So no longer can we even have ratings and updates on the last few old time offshore books who stayed in the market ,innovators, real bookmakers, loyal stalwarts, and long time loyal operators. No longer are the line services there to share the prices of those real markets that are left. Now, it's just a site to promote corporations owned by Israeli and British billionaire's, and majority stockholders like Larry Fink's BlackRock Financial and other banking houses. These are the corporate houses charging ridiculous holds and margins, horrible product offerings and services, and business models designed to completely limit or shut off completely any player or trader that has the "gall" to actually have the ability to earn a profit, or bet intelligently.

Sad to see you join forces with the enemy, but all the same, I'd like to thank you SBR for your great and insightful presence over the years. You were like having a powerful advocate and industry watchdog in my corner for 20 years. Thanks to your ratings, and warnings, I was able to bet a lot of wagers at a lot of places, and even with transactions totaling figures too large to even speculate what 20 years worth ended up being, I never had even a single dollar stolen or forfeited at any of the many sportsbooks I used over the years. A couple times, your red flags persuaded me to not deposit or keep money with some sportsbooks beginning to be in distress, and those warnings proved prophetic and saved me thousands. Your listings and recommendations helped me build long and fruitful relationships with companies that gave me a lot of great action, a lot of fun, and some profitable and memorable scores over the last 20 years.

You were great SBR. You will be missed.

Well said. Literally all the same things I'm thinking, too.

[kthxacer]

Honestly, one of the main reasons why SBR was the best was the Odds page that showed lines for the offshore books.

So does this mean no more lines from the books we use?

Yes. You'll have to scrape your own odds from the bookies. Good luck learning Python

[Double Bogey]

If there’s no pinnacle openers, rip sbr odds. I like the addition of US books, but don’t understand why it can’t have both. Sbr odds was great while it lasted

[hubie69]

I think overall the message has been too vague to nail down details here on what specifically is happening. Regardless, change is coming. This isn't always a bad thing.

I say it's entirely unlikely that SBR keeps offshore odds in their sbrodds page. While this is tragic and I really really hate this, look at it from their perspective. Their odds feeds are affiliate oriented. They likely lose access to those odds feeds if they're no longer affiliated with off shore books. I personally think not having the offshore odds in one place will be detrimental to me, however, we'll gain some US books, so that's good.

Say what you will about SBR's move to US markets and books, it'll be great for some and clearly detrimental for others. Over the years SBR has done a tremendous job offering what they do. They've been an incredible friend to both the sharp and recreational gambler alike.

I will say in this specific instance they've done a terrible job at conveying to their userbase what is actually happening. This specific instance aside, SBR has been pretty terrific over the years.

I'm sure SBR will lose part of it's userbase and likely gain a good chunk of them back and more. The writing has been on the wall for SBR for literally years to shift away from the off-shore industry. I applaud the move for SBR to stay alive/relevant, honestly it should have happened years ago.

Change is coming like it or not. It would be nice to hear some concrete details here from SBR but all in due time I'm sure.

In the meantime SBR, thanks for everything over the years and I look forward to see what shifts in the next few months.

--Hubie69

[5mike5]

legal books sportsbook cash in the SBR store on the horizon????

[theorudy]

Crazy times.

[Easy-Rider 66]

I think overall the message has been too vague to nail down details here on what specifically is happening. Regardless, change is coming. This isn't always a bad thing.

I say it's entirely unlikely that SBR keeps offshore odds in their sbrodds page. While this is tragic and I really really hate this, look at it from their perspective. Their odds feeds are affiliate oriented. They likely lose access to those odds feeds if they're no longer affiliated with off shore books. I personally think not having the offshore odds in one place will be detrimental to me, however, we'll gain some US books, so that's good.

Say what you will about SBR's move to US markets and books, it'll be great for some and clearly detrimental for others. Over the years SBR has done a tremendous job offering what they do. They've been an incredible friend to both the sharp and recreational gambler alike.

I will say in this specific instance they've done a terrible job at conveying to their userbase what is actually happening. This specific instance aside, SBR has been pretty terrific over the years.

I'm sure SBR will lose part of it's userbase and likely gain a good chunk of them back and more. The writing has been on the wall for SBR for literally years to shift away from the off-shore industry. I applaud the move for SBR to stay alive/relevant, honestly it should have happened years ago.

Change is coming like it or not. It would be nice to hear some concrete details here from SBR but all in due time I'm sure.

In the meantime SBR, thanks for everything over the years and I look forward to see what shifts in the next few months.

--Hubie69

THIS well written

[Ian]

So SBR has dropped offshore odds, new daily contests, and sbr poker promotions. This is making me wonder if they have dropped their affiliate agreements with offshore books also. If so, this would greatly decrease SBR's leverage in settling disputes with offshore books.

I'm getting (slightly) nervous about both the future of offshore betting and the $ I have tied up in them.

[stevenash]

SBR is a dying site, unfortunately. This is just one more nail in the coffin.

Dude, just go.
All you do is bitch and whine.

Agenda driven much?

That was your intention all along, to slam this site.
Seen it 1000 times over.

Buh bye

[Ghenghis Kahn]

If there’s no pinnacle openers, rip sbr odds. I like the addition of US books, but don’t understand why it can’t have both. Sbr odds was great while it lasted

Because they shill for books that pay them. Obviously, US books offered more money than the offshore books.

That's why trust no one. They will always turn their backs on you for their gains.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

I think overall the message has been too vague to nail down details here on what specifically is happening. Regardless, change is coming. This isn't always a bad thing.

I say it's entirely unlikely that SBR keeps offshore odds in their sbrodds page. While this is tragic and I really really hate this, look at it from their perspective. Their odds feeds are affiliate oriented. They likely lose access to those odds feeds if they're no longer affiliated with off shore books. I personally think not having the offshore odds in one place will be detrimental to me, however, we'll gain some US books, so that's good.

Say what you will about SBR's move to US markets and books, it'll be great for some and clearly detrimental for others. Over the years SBR has done a tremendous job offering what they do. They've been an incredible friend to both the sharp and recreational gambler alike.

I will say in this specific instance they've done a terrible job at conveying to their userbase what is actually happening. This specific instance aside, SBR has been pretty terrific over the years.

I'm sure SBR will lose part of it's userbase and likely gain a good chunk of them back and more. The writing has been on the wall for SBR for literally years to shift away from the off-shore industry. I applaud the move for SBR to stay alive/relevant, honestly it should have happened years ago.

Change is coming like it or not. It would be nice to hear some concrete details here from SBR but all in due time I'm sure.

In the meantime SBR, thanks for everything over the years and I look forward to see what shifts in the next few months.

--Hubie69

I mean honestly, you can still get the offshore odds, you just have to open the sites one by one. SBR just made it convenient

[RITZ]

Good move SBR as the landscape has changed tremendously from just 1-2 years ago in Sports wagering with so many states now legalizing it.
MGM/DraftKings/FanDual to name a few all big players in the sports wagering market.

[hubie69]

I mean honestly, you can still get the offshore odds, you just have to open the sites one by one. SBR just made it convenient

There are other sites which condense this information from multiple books as well, sbr isn't the only one. I won't post them here as I don't know if we can currently with this changing landscape, but https://www.google.com should be of assistance in finding this.

Additionally, we don't know if they're leaving the offshore odds market. While I think it's likely, this hasn't been explicitly stated by SBR.

[646d6d]

If there’s no pinnacle openers

Pinnacle still displays for me, but I'm accessing the site from Canada. Looks like they're only blocking it for US users?

[jjgold]

Two things

Great Move SBR

secondly men use google and offshore odds and you will be fine

[Roger T. Bannon]

I think overall the message has been too vague to nail down details here on what specifically is happening. Regardless, change is coming. This isn't always a bad thing.

I say it's entirely unlikely that SBR keeps offshore odds in their sbrodds page. While this is tragic and I really really hate this, look at it from their perspective. Their odds feeds are affiliate oriented. They likely lose access to those odds feeds if they're no longer affiliated with off shore books. I personally think not having the offshore odds in one place will be detrimental to me, however, we'll gain some US books, so that's good.

Say what you will about SBR's move to US markets and books, it'll be great for some and clearly detrimental for others. Over the years SBR has done a tremendous job offering what they do. They've been an incredible friend to both the sharp and recreational gambler alike.

I will say in this specific instance they've done a terrible job at conveying to their userbase what is actually happening. This specific instance aside, SBR has been pretty terrific over the years.

I'm sure SBR will lose part of it's userbase and likely gain a good chunk of them back and more. The writing has been on the wall for SBR for literally years to shift away from the off-shore industry. I applaud the move for SBR to stay alive/relevant, honestly it should have happened years ago.

Change is coming like it or not. It would be nice to hear some concrete details here from SBR but all in due time I'm sure.

In the meantime SBR, thanks for everything over the years and I look forward to see what shifts in the next few months.

--Hubie69

I guess that depends on if that actually happens. A forum is like a pyramid scheme in a way. Posters create posts. If you get fewer posters because you have viewer visits, your volume can drop exponentially in a short time.

[bruloc]

So SBR has dropped offshore odds, new daily contests, and sbr poker promotions. This is making me wonder if they have dropped their affiliate agreements with offshore books also. If so, this would greatly decrease SBR's leverage in settling disputes with offshore books.
I'm getting (slightly) nervous about both the future of offshore betting and the $ I have tied up in them.

Now, clicking Complaint Form/File Complaint will redirect you to ''Sportsbooks Industry'' forum.

Also, they removed some sportsbooks cash options from the store. The only option available to me is Pinnacle (also Sports Interaction, but I'm not from Canada).

My Pinnacle's account was not created using SBR's referral, so now my betpoints worth nothing.

[ThaWoj]

Two things

Great Move SBR

secondly men use google and offshore odds and you will be fine

Jj what about complaints and probelms with offshore books, is sbr still going to assist?