[stevenash]

I played DFS for a living for several years. Was top 25 in NBA on Rotogrinders every year I played. Top 200? I think for NFL

It may have come down, but that's only because so many players quit. Losers would lose way more in DFS than they would betting sports. But they were chasing that big prize. The winners margins are so small its not worth it unless you're putting in $10,000 in play per night. Even then it's not worth it IMO. Way too much variance. That's ultimately when I transitioned to sports betting instead. This shit is stress free compared to fantasy.

I think I know who you are.
And if I'm right you're very good.

I spoke to SBR authorities about this awhile ago, I can't give out specific details because of policy and regulations, but I am allowed to say this, I'm a contribution writer (contributing, I get paid per piece, not on the payroll) for Rotowire.

*off topic*
You like the way DK and FD pulled a fast one with the tribes in Connecticut and eliminated all the other competiton?

[agon]

Actually it's not false.

Draftkings acquired and now owns SB TECH. So that essentially is in-house, although maybe there are some other books that also still use SB Tech? Not sure.

And why do you think it's "even worse"? I've enjoyed playing against SB Tech. If nothing else, given that there are plenty of Kambi books, it's another option.

Sbtech betting platform are the most used betting platform in EU and Uk.There are I would say over 30 bookmakers that use this platform.Some of this bookies that use SBtech limit way too fast but that depends on the operator also on what stance do they have with lucky and skilled players.Some do not allow any winners at all.Sad but true.

[Crusherrr]

I think I know who you are.
And if I'm right you're very good.

I spoke to SBR authorities about this awhile ago, I can't give out specific details because of policy and regulations, but I am allowed to say this, I'm a contribution writer (contributing, I get paid per piece, not on the payroll) for Rotowire.

*off topic*
You like the way DK and FD pulled a fast one with the tribes in Connecticut and eliminated all the other competiton?

I used to write for Fantasyhub. I was their top player in the short time they existed. Won entry into their live tourney and they ultimately closed up and Draftkings came to their rescue.

I'm surprised with DK and FD. FD is honoring $1,000 risk free in sportsbook, and also giving me $2,500 in site credits on $5,000 deposit. Draftkings hasn't gotten back to me yet on any offers. I don't show any in my account, and I'm VIP from my NJ/PA trips. Hope they give me some good offers.

I actually applied for a job with Sugarhouse a few weeks back as sportsbook performance manager. I'd be in charge of all their promotional offerings as well. They said they found someone better suited. I guess my experience as a professional in the industry wasn't good enough. I've got my degree and professional experience outside of the sports industry as well.

There are quite a few open positions for remote jobs in CT alone for these companies. If you're actually serious about working for one of them.

[d2bets]

Sbtech betting platform are the most used betting platform in EU and Uk.There are I would say over 30 bookmakers that use this platform.Some of this bookies that use SBtech limit way too fast but that depends on the operator also on what stance do they have with lucky and skilled players.Some do not allow any winners at all.Sad but true.

Interesting. Any idea if any US books use SB Tech other than DK? DK under SB Tech is not limiting fast, at least not at this point (in IL at least).

[KVB]

Rate your top three, thanks in advance.

Fish since you’re here check my post about expanding wide.

On a completely unrelated note, wink wink, talk to me about Circa Iowa.

We should get in touch.

[stevenash]

I used to write for Fantasyhub. I was their top player in the short time they existed. Won entry into their live tourney and they ultimately closed up and Draftkings came to their rescue.

I'm surprised with DK and FD. FD is honoring $1,000 risk free in sportsbook, and also giving me $2,500 in site credits on $5,000 deposit. Draftkings hasn't gotten back to me yet on any offers. I don't show any in my account, and I'm VIP from my NJ/PA trips. Hope they give me some good offers.

I actually applied for a job with Sugarhouse a few weeks back as sportsbook performance manager. I'd be in charge of all their promotional offerings as well. They said they found someone better suited. I guess my experience as a professional in the industry wasn't good enough. I've got my degree and professional experience outside of the sports industry as well.

There are quite a few open positions for remote jobs in CT alone for these companies. If you're actually serious about working for one of them.

I am.

However I work remote for an insurance company out of New Haven (I'm in Fairfield).
Since COVID I don't have to schlep to New Haven anymore, it's a beautiful thing, I collect my regular paycheck while sitting in my boxers in my condo now, I use the company supplied computer with the corporate software for work, and with down time (about 3hrs a day from 8a to 4p I can fart around on SBR on my personal laptop.

I love SBR, I 'try out' so to speak my writing here, fine tune it so it meets Rotowire's standards, before I submit it's edited by my wife who isn't and editor but she has a degree in English lit from Ithaca. (close enough to an editor)

I'd say out of three pieces I submit, two get shit canned rejected, one gets through usually out of three.

I'm IT guy, if I can get guaranteed work for DK in IT, I'll be in Boston so fast your head will spin.
Until then, my plate is very full.

[las8]

Rate your top three, thanks in advance.

Draftkings
BetMGM
Pointsbet
BetRivers
Fanduel-----they pulled some shady biz on me a while back I refuse to use them besides the $25-50 no brainers
Caesars
.
.
.
Unibet
Bally bet----elite sports book (same out different color-I had to call to reduce a limit on that $500 risk free signup)
BetFred
The score


Circa I will check out once they have a sign up promo and barstool is coming soon I hear.


go hawks.

[d2bets]

Draftkings
BetMGM
Pointsbet
BetRivers
Fanduel-----they pulled some shady biz on me a while back I refuse to use them besides the $25-50 no brainers
Caesars
.
.
.
Unibet
Bally bet----elite sports book (same out different color-I had to call to reduce a limit on that $500 risk free signup)
The score


Circa I will check out once they have a sign up promo and barstool is coming soon I hear.


go hawks.

That's a nice variety Iowa has.
Has BetMGM limited you? I've heard they are quick to limit.

[KVB]

Do all these Iowa book s have apps?

Fishhead, we need to get down.

"I came to get down, I came to get down

Jumparound!"

Hubie, check in pal.

[stevenash]

^@ D2
Yeah, it is.
Northeast still has a long ways to go, Ct. Mass RI is getting there, but not even close to what Iowa offers,

[stevenash]

Do all these Iowa book s have apps?

Fishhead, we need to get down.

"I came to get down, I came to get down

Jumparound!"

Hubie, check in pal.

This may help you out some bud


https://sportshandle.com/iowa-revenu...eptember-2021/

[KVB]

This may help you out some bud


https://sportshandle.com/iowa-revenu...eptember-2021/

I swear this could be the most bettor friendly environment I've ever seen I've been in business.

You know how we get buyer's markets and seller's markets in other industries?

Right now it's the bettor's markets.

Nom Nom Nom

[agon]

Interesting. Any idea if any US books use SB Tech other than DK? DK under SB Tech is not limiting fast, at least not at this point (in IL at least).

No I do not know any unfortunately besides DK that use Sbtech in USA.I find them better than Kambi in general .Both are the top betting platforms at the moment.Good for you and for all the players that use DK I hope you won't face any restrictions at all.
Maybe because DK has a lot of volume and it's a very big bookmaker .so it doesn't limit and I think they won't stiff any player.gl

[stevenash]

I swear this could be the most bettor friendly environment I've ever seen I've been in business.

You know how we get buyer's markets and seller's markets in other industries?

Right now it's the bettor's markets.

Nom Nom Nom

Oh for sure.
I use DK for fantasy, but the juice in their book is a joke.

[las8]

That's a nice variety Iowa has.
Has BetMGM limited you? I've heard they are quick to limit.

I had one bet limited. It was a same game parlay in champions league madrid and u4.5 capped me at like $1750. I don't usually do SGP so I feel that was why. I like them because, as I said, at one point they were handing out 100% $500 matches at least once a week sometimes twice. I would withdraw which would process in 3 hours and redeposit. I think they caught on to that because my friend says he still gets them. Plus they have MGM rewards I stayed for free last March.

Do all these Iowa book s have apps?

Fishhead, we need to get down.

"I came to get down, I came to get down

Jumparound!"

Hubie, check in pal.

All of them except BetFred, which has a Colorado one but not Iowa, yet.

[las8]

When it first became legal here I drove like 9 hours one day and hit up 3 casinos because you had to verify in person. They changed the law so you do not have to do that anymore, which is the best part. I was going to visit my buddy in Chicago to hit sign up bonuses there and he said they just changed it to where you have to verify in person so it is not really worth it.

When I went to Vegas in March I was extremely underwhelmed. Circa was dope but I felt limited. There was no serie A and only 1-2 props per game in ncaa, no alternate lines, and just minimalistic. I feel spoiled here no doubt.

[stevenash]

When it first became legal here I drove like 9 hours one day and hit up 3 casinos because you had to verify in person. They changed the law so you do not have to do that anymore, which is the best part. I was going to visit my buddy in Chicago to hit sign up bonuses there and he said they just changed it to where you have to verify in person so it is not really worth it.

When I went to Vegas in March I was extremely underwhelmed. Circa was dope but I felt limited. There was no serie A and only 1-2 props per game in ncaa, no alternate lines, and just minimalistic. I feel spoiled here no doubt.

I'm going back to Vegas next year for a concert and a poker tourney only.
I'm not sports betting, I don't have too.
I want to check out a few new books, but probably won't make a bet if I can get a better price on my app.

The days of going out to Vegas to bet sports are gone.
And they ain't coming back.

[5mike5]

BetMGM limited me to literally 0 on parlays and 20 max wins after about 6 months, but to be fair I took them behind the woodshed. And mostly only 1 sport, but collared me across the baord

[d2bets]

I'm going back to Vegas next year for a concert and a poker tourney only.
I'm not sports betting, I don't have too.
I want to check out a few new books, but probably won't make a bet if I can get a better price on my app.

The days of going out to Vegas to bet sports are gone.
And they ain't coming back.

I'll be in Vegas next weekend in order to take a break from sportsbetting.

[CanuckG]

Actually it's not false.

Draftkings acquired and now owns SB TECH. So that essentially is in-house, although maybe there are some other books that also still use SB Tech? Not sure.

And why do you think it's "even worse"? I've enjoyed playing against SB Tech. If nothing else, given that there are plenty of Kambi books, it's another option.

Many errors and bugs with SB Tech. As someone who has worked closely with them for almost 2 years they are the nut low in terms of providers. Imagine hiring bulgarians to trade US Sports.

[CanuckG]

If you ever want to see the WORST golf prices on the planet please look at any SB TECH book

Especially their live H2H markets.

Deckprism is by the far best but isn't widely used. Circa live markets are UP way longer than any kambi/sb tech book.

[jjgold]

Circa a generic higher limit book decent odds limited menus no banning

Although it’s not for 90% of players so it will never do great

The kid that runs it just copies pinnacle and thinks he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread he’s actually a nobody

[d2bets]

If you ever want to see the WORST golf prices on the planet please look at any SB TECH book

Especially their live H2H markets.

Deckprism is by the far best but isn't widely used. Circa live markets are UP way longer than any kambi/sb tech book.

Worst as in the most juice? Or worse as in odds that don't reflect the true market?

What service does Circa use? Who uses Deckprism?

Really curious to learn more about how the live line feeds work at different books. It seems to me that it is all/mostly algorithm-based lines based on in-game data coming from an info source(s) that is common to many books. But that each book or line provider uses a different algorithm to create their own line. Or perhaps they have some unique inputs (like their own closing lines). I'm mostly just guessing from experience, but would love to learn more about how live lines are actually created.

SB Tech is buggy in what way? I live bet DK frequently. The one "bug" I see there is what I call phantom lines. As in it looks like a number is posted, but in reality that is an old number and when you click on it, it tells you that the betting is closed. But once you get the bet in a ticket to enter a wager amount, then that is live (at least at that point). A little annoying, but it's workable. You just have to put it in your slip before assuming it's real.

Except for very small wagers, DK puts live wagers "under review" before accepting. But I've found them to be reasonable and appropriate in the amount of time and acceptance. Somewhat different from Caesar's which will sometimes reject a bet for no apparent reason even if the line hasn't changed.

[Shifty]

Interesting. Any idea if any US books use SB Tech other than DK? DK under SB Tech is not limiting fast, at least not at this point (in IL at least).

SBTech book Resorts NJ is okay. Another SBTech book Bet America will limit you pretty bad. They don't have nearly as many bet offers as DK either.

[JoeCool20]

I do give credit to where it is due

Some of these big boys books (Fandual and MGM) really out shining everyone

Odds of course not great but everything else they are the leaders of sports betting worldwide now

I still only bet +EV promos but whoever runs these places are geniuses

Vegas books are all worried its over for them when Drafktkings and Fandual come they proven they dominate every state. I hear all the VSIN guys say the same thing that players are going to bolt the traditional dinosaur vegas books and go to the wave of the future books that 90% of the market wants.

Yes Draftkings, (or any of them like Wynnbet) it is great for me because all I have to do is drive an hour to the Tennessee border and place a sports wager and then if I win I can't get back on the site while I am drunk and play the online casino until I lose all the money!

Because I can't gamble in GA! And even if I went back into TENN they don't allow casino gambling anyway!

So when I win, I really win! And I CAN'T fool gamble all the money off into the casino like I do if it is offshore!


Edit: And Hell yes the couple of gallons of gas it takes me to get to TENN & back is worth it! It is MUCH MUCH less than the insane fees for buying Shitcoin with a credit card or going to some Shitcoin ATM and paying 9%!
Not to mention the hassle & fees that it cost to get the Shitcoin sent back and converted to cash if I win offshore.

[CanuckG]

SBTech book Resorts NJ is okay. Another SBTech book Bet America will limit you pretty bad. They don't have nearly as many bet offers as DK either.

BetAmerica is transitioning to TwinSpires with Kambi soon.

[CanuckG]

Worst as in the most juice? Or worse as in odds that don't reflect the true market?

What service does Circa use? Who uses Deckprism?

Really curious to learn more about how the live line feeds work at different books. It seems to me that it is all/mostly algorithm-based lines based on in-game data coming from an info source(s) that is common to many books. But that each book or line provider uses a different algorithm to create their own line. Or perhaps they have some unique inputs (like their own closing lines). I'm mostly just guessing from experience, but would love to learn more about how live lines are actually created.

SB Tech is buggy in what way? I live bet DK frequently. The one "bug" I see there is what I call phantom lines. As in it looks like a number is posted, but in reality that is an old number and when you click on it, it tells you that the betting is closed. But once you get the bet in a ticket to enter a wager amount, then that is live (at least at that point). A little annoying, but it's workable. You just have to put it in your slip before assuming it's real.

Except for very small wagers, DK puts live wagers "under review" before accepting. But I've found them to be reasonable and appropriate in the amount of time and acceptance. Somewhat different from Caesar's which will sometimes reject a bet for no apparent reason even if the line hasn't changed.

Worst juice/highest margins

Circa uses deckprism

Buggy as in their alternate prices will be way off. Errors as in they'll have a stale line on a game when it's already moved 30 cents. All SB Tech traders do is scrape pinny. When Pinny doesn't have a market up, they wont. Just look if Pinny ever brings a market down...you'll see other books like fanduel or mgm still displaying a market but sb tech books wont.

[CanuckG]

SB Tech is great for finding bizarre markets that other books dont offer. Especially on european sports. But if you want them to trade US Sports you're asking for trouble. Another pain is they're football 1q/1h markets are ALWAYS DOWN. They dont stay up long enough to even make a wager sometimes.

[jjgold]

Kambi major weakness they do not have competitive spread lines compared to other usa books

you cannot deal -113/-108 spread lines football or -112/-109 lines its not acceptable for usa markets

How dumb are these people????

[d2bets]

Worst juice/highest margins

Circa uses deckprism

Buggy as in their alternate prices will be way off. Errors as in they'll have a stale line on a game when it's already moved 30 cents. All SB Tech traders do is scrape pinny. When Pinny doesn't have a market up, they wont. Just look if Pinny ever brings a market down...you'll see other books like fanduel or mgm still displaying a market but sb tech books wont.

No, no way this is true, not for live betting. I am able to learn the live Pinny through Don Best and DK is often quite different.

[d2bets]

SB Tech is great for finding bizarre markets that other books dont offer. Especially on european sports. But if you want them to trade US Sports you're asking for trouble. Another pain is they're football 1q/1h markets are ALWAYS DOWN. They dont stay up long enough to even make a wager sometimes.

Sometimes is the key word. And sometimes you can find gold.

All I know is what I've seen and bet since DK moved to SBT, and I am seeing much more opportunity that you suggest.

[d2bets]

Kambi major weakness they do not have competitive spread lines compared to other usa books

you cannot deal -113/-108 spread lines football or -112/-109 lines its not acceptable for usa markets

How dumb are these people????

20 cents is acceptable but 21 cents isn't? If the line is off by enough, it sort of doesn't matter. If that penny on one side is going to make all the difference, you're doing it wrong.

[RonPaul2008]

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[RonPaul2008]

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When it first became legal here I drove like 9 hours one day and hit up 3 casinos because you had to verify in person. They changed the law so you do not have to do that anymore, which is the best part. I was going to visit my buddy in Chicago to hit sign up bonuses there and he said they just changed it to where you have to verify in person so it is not really worth it. When I went to Vegas in March I was extremely underwhelmed. Circa was dope but I felt limited. There was no serie A and only 1-2 props per game in ncaa, no alternate lines, and just minimalistic. I feel spoiled here no doubt.

Circa seems to be kind of a sharp book, a little like pinnacle but with more juice. I hope to see them in illinois.

[stevenash]

I'll be in Vegas next weekend in order to take a break from sportsbetting.

It's funny because it's true.