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    Is a 14 year $340 million contract to Fernando Tatis Jr too much?

    Tatis just got his contract extension and man, some guys don't last that long. Pressure is on now.


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    Assuming he stays healthy, it very well could be a bargain.
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    Yes too long
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    mlb never learns. They always get bit with the super long contracts, every damn time. I cannot think of 1 contract that was 10yrs or more in the mlb, where the player performed to expectation over the entire contract.
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    JakePeavy
    There isn't a human being alive
    to trust a 14 year contract to
    Just not the way our anatomy goes
    down ... I'm going to say within 6 or 7
    years people will regret this contract
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    Its as ridiculous as some of the NBA Contracts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog5229 View Post
    mlb never learns. They always get bit with the super long contracts, every damn time. I cannot think of 1 contract that was 10yrs or more in the mlb, where the player performed to expectation over the entire contract.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fidel_CashFlow View Post
    JakePeavy
    There isn't a human being alive
    to trust a 14 year contract to
    Just not the way our anatomy goes
    down ... I'm going to say within 6 or 7
    years people will regret this contract
    We shall see. Agreed but most guys sign long contracts in mid late 20s, Tatis just turned 22.
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    With that said Peavy
    I hope I'm wrong and he beats
    the serious injury odds
    Because he's fun , extremely talented
    and his Dad was a Cardinal lol
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    Way too long.

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    Way too long and could've had me for half the price.

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    This is the best thing the Padres could have done for their fan base. The Padres have been a joke for nearly 20 years with bad draft picks and low budget leaving them unable to sign their few good players to long term contracts. Tatis will "only" be 35 at the end of this contract. Even if his offense doesn't hold up that long, his defense is improving and he can transition to 3rd base as he ages to take over Machado's spot.

    Even if he underperforms, this signing has a lot of value toward winning over the fans. Plus, Tatis is just plain fun to watch play. At the end of the day, win or lose, sports are entertainment, and this kid is entertaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilCheese View Post
    This is the best thing the Padres could have done for their fan base. The Padres have been a joke for nearly 20 years with bad draft picks and low budget leaving them unable to sign their few good players to long term contracts. Tatis will "only" be 35 at the end of this contract. Even if his offense doesn't hold up that long, his defense is improving and he can transition to 3rd base as he ages to take over Machado's spot.

    Even if he underperforms, this signing has a lot of value toward winning over the fans. Plus, Tatis is just plain fun to watch play. At the end of the day, win or lose, sports are entertainment, and this kid is entertaining.
    It's a good feeling
    And a good aspect
    you threw in there Devilcheese
    And normally that works.... but not when
    millions of dollars in money is involved.
    Business is business . This was a fun toy
    for the fans to play with...
    But business wise ..contractually wise ....
    It's an absolute disaster
    waiting to happen . Maybe even a 8 year
    I can't seem to wrap my mind around 14 years
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    he is the face of their team. as long as he is good, not even great, and the team is competitive, the amount per year is worth it.

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    It's better than the Myers and Hosmer contracts. Tatis will bring the money back in. He's 22 and already the 4th most sold uniform in the league.

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    SD is probably thinking the first 8 to 10 years of that contract.
    If Tatis is instrumental in taking SD to say 8 playoff trips in 10 years, with a ring or two, the last 4 years of that huge contract would already be paid for even if he hits .260 those last four years of that 14 year deal.

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    to me, what changes everything
    is knowing if Tatis demanded a longterm situation
    to me , especially in todays day in age
    long term for association of a player to the same team is 4 to 5 years
    14 years is so wild that I wouldnt believe it if someone told me it until I fact checked it....
    not even sure if the USA has another decade in it
    14 years

    Albert Pujols over there like , you go Tatis... I see you my nikka
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilCheese View Post
    This is the best thing the Padres could have done for their fan base. The Padres have been a joke for nearly 20 years with bad draft picks and low budget leaving them unable to sign their few good players to long term contracts. Tatis will "only" be 35 at the end of this contract. Even if his offense doesn't hold up that long, his defense is improving and he can transition to 3rd base as he ages to take over Machado's spot.

    Even if he underperforms, this signing has a lot of value toward winning over the fans. Plus, Tatis is just plain fun to watch play. At the end of the day, win or lose, sports are entertainment, and this kid is entertaining.
    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    SD is probably thinking the first 8 to 10 years of that contract.
    If Tatis is instrumental in taking SD to say 8 playoff trips in 10 years, with a ring or two, the last 4 years of that huge contract would already be paid for even if he hits .260 those last four years of that 14 year deal.
    Agree with both of your lines of thinking. Had they waited 3-4 years they might have paid him more overall money with a 7-10 year contract. This locks him up for the majority of his career. That said, I'm sure he has some type of option to leave during the contract.
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    he was there another 5 years for certain. So they just tacked one of the new 10 year long contract onto the end of the club control time they bought out essentially.

    the Front Office people and many in the ownership group know they most likely won't be around in 6-8 years from now anyways. So what the hell does it matter to them?

    best case scenario, baseball bounces back and Avg star salaries are in the 60-75 million range by the 2030s
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    Agree with both of your lines of thinking. Had they waited 3-4 years they might have paid him more overall money with a 7-10 year contract. This locks him up for the majority of his career. That said, I'm sure he has some type of option to leave during the contract.
    This has to be for both parties..... some kind of resolve
    imagine the paper work on a 14 year contract
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    Tatis
    Betts
    Trout
    Harper
    Machado
    Stanton


    all these guys got locked up for 10,12,13 years.

    this is nothing new. Padres just made up their mind a lot quicker, so they'll be paying a 34 year old in the end, not a 40 year old
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    Hitters not worth much

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    Padres wins the WEST = good deal


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    poor tatis has to give like 20 some million of that to some weird payday loan type of thing for future BIG LEAGERS he went to in his teens. He got some cash at the time in exchange for a % of all his future earnings


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    When Tatis becomes a free agent....


    the Mets will still be paying Bobby Bonilla
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    When Tatis becomes a free agent....


    the Mets will still be paying Bobby Bonilla
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    Tatis
    Betts
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    Harper
    Machado
    Stanton


    all these guys got locked up for 10,12,13 years.

    this is nothing new. Padres just made up their mind a lot quicker, so they'll be paying a 34 year old in the end, not a 40 year old
    Harper's body in a decade long contract
    They understand the psyche of the average fan
    And that psyche being short term thinking
    Kind of use Sam Odom post #23 for reference lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    Tatis
    Betts
    Trout
    Harper
    Machado
    Stanton


    all these guys got locked up for 10,12,13 years.

    this is nothing new. Padres just made up their mind a lot quicker, so they'll be paying a 34 year old in the end, not a 40 year old
    One of the best free agent signings in the last 20 years was Mike Mussina.
    Don't believe me, look at his body of work he did for the Yankees.
    Then look at how many starts he made as a Yankee.

    Never mind, I'll save you the trouble.
    The correct answer would be almost every one.






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    1991 22 BAL AL 4 5 0.444 2.87 12 12 0 2 0 0 87.2 77 31 28 7 21 0 52 1 1 3 349 139 3.46 1.118 7.9 0.7 2.2 5.3 2.48
    1992 23 BAL AL 18 5 0.783 2.54 32 32 0 8 4 0 241 212 70 68 16 48 2 130 2 0 6 957 157 3.19 1.079 7.9 0.6 1.8 4.9 2.71 AS,CYA-4,MVP-21
    1993 24 BAL AL 14 6 0.7 4.46 25 25 0 3 2 0 167.2 163 84 83 20 44 2 117 3 0 5 693 100 3.98 1.235 8.7 1.1 2.4 6.3 2.66 AS
    1994 25 BAL AL 16 5 0.762 3.06 24 24 0 3 0 0 176.1 163 63 60 19 42 1 99 1 0 0 712 164 4.14 1.163 8.3 1 2.1 5.1 2.36 AS,CYA-4,MVP-20
    1995 26 BAL AL 19 9 0.679 3.29 32 32 0 7 4 0 221.2 187 86 81 24 50 4 158 1 0 2 882 145 3.78 1.069 7.6 1 2 6.4 3.16 CYA-5
    1996 27 BAL AL 19 11 0.633 4.81 36 36 0 4 1 0 243.1 264 137 130 31 69 0 204 3 0 3 1039 103 4.04 1.368 9.8 1.1 2.6 7.5 2.96 CYA-5,GG
    1997 28 BAL AL 15 8 0.652 3.2 33 33 0 4 1 0 224.2 197 87 80 27 54 3 218 3 0 5 905 137 3.49 1.117 7.9 1.1 2.2 8.7 4.04 AS,CYA-6,GG
    1998 29 BAL AL 13 10 0.565 3.49 29 29 0 4 2 0 206.1 189 85 80 22 41 3 175 4 0 10 835 130 3.48 1.115 8.2 1 1.8 7.6 4.27 GG
    1999 30 BAL AL 18 7 0.72 3.5 31 31 0 4 0 0 203.1 207 88 79 16 52 0 172 1 0 2 842 133 3.25 1.274 9.2 0.7 2.3 7.6 3.31 AS,CYA-2,GG
    2000 31 BAL AL 11 15 0.423 3.79 34 34 0 6 1 0 237.2 236 105 100 28 46 0 210 3 0 3 987 125 3.52 1.187 8.9 1.1 1.7 8 4.57 CYA-6
    2001 32 NYY AL 17 11 0.607 3.15 34 34 0 4 3 0 228.2 202 87 80 20 42 2 214 4 0 6 909 143 2.92 1.067 8 0.8 1.7 8.4 5.1 CYA-5,GG
    2002 33 NYY AL 18 10 0.643 4.05 33 33 0 2 2 0 215.2 208 103 97 27 48 1 182 5 0 7 886 109 3.64 1.187 8.7 1.1 2 7.6 3.79
    2003 34 NYY AL 17 8 0.68 3.4 31 31 0 2 1 0 214.2 192 86 81 21 40 4 195 3 0 4 855 130 3.09 1.081 8 0.9 1.7 8.2 4.88 GG
    2004 35 NYY AL 12 9 0.571 4.59 27 27 0 1 0 0 164.2 178 91 84 22 40 1 132 2 0 5 697 98 3.95 1.324 9.7 1.2 2.2 7.2 3.3
    2005 36 NYY AL 13 8 0.619 4.41 30 30 0 2 2 0 179.2 199 93 88 23 47 0 142 7 0 2 766 96 4.01 1.369 10 1.2 2.4 7.1 3.02
    2006 37 NYY AL 15 7 0.682 3.51 32 32 0 1 0 0 197.1 184 88 77 22 35 1 172 5 0 3 804 129 3.46 1.11 8.4 1 1.6 7.8 4.91
    2007 38 NYY AL 11 10 0.524 5.15 28 27 0 0 0 0 152 188 90 87 14 35 2 91 4 0 1 656 88 4.01 1.467 11.1 0.8 2.1 5.4 2.6
    2008 39 NYY AL 20 9 0.69 3.37 34 34 0 0 0 0 200.1 214 85 75 17 31 3 150 8 0 4 819 131 3.32 1.223 9.6 0.8 1.4 6.7 4.84 CYA-6,MVP-19,GG
    18 Yrs 270 153 0.638 3.68 537 536 0 57 23 0 3562.2 3460 1559 1458 376 785 29 2813 60 1 71 14593 123 3.57 1.192 8.7 0.9 2 7.1 3.58
    162 Game Avg. 17 10 0.638 3.68 34 34 0 4 1 0 226 219 99 92 24 50 2 178 4 0 4 925 123 3.57 1.192 8.7 0.9 2 7.1 3.58
    BAL (10 yrs) 147 81 0.645 3.53 288 288 0 45 15 0 2009.2 1895 836 789 210 467 15 1535 22 1 39 8201 130 3.63 1.175 8.5 0.9 2.1 6.9 3.29
    NYY (8 yrs) 123 72 0.631 3.88 249 248 0 12 8 0 1553 1565 723 669 166 318 14 1278 38 0 32 6392 114 3.5 1.212 9.1 1 1.8 7.4 4.02

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    The Tigers gave Cabrera a ridiculous contract that has him playing into his 40's and making ridiculous money until the end of it. Nobody would want to trade with him making that kind of money at his age. They end up stuck with him.
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    his glove needs to improve, he's unnecessarily flashy which causes too many wild throws. his range is fine though
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    The mid season slump in 2020 is a red flag. The Padres broadcast team eluded as much. The contract is way to much and way too long. Yet if he can put up Tony Gwynn like stats then it's a bargain. The jury is out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbison View Post
    his glove needs to improve, he's unnecessarily flashy which causes too many wild throws. his range is fine though
    Sounds like you didn't watch him this past year, he improved leaps and bounds with errant throws.
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    $784 Million tied up in Eric Hosmer, Manny Machado, Tatis? .......YIKES!

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    How is MLB making any money anyway? Who is watching and attending the games?

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