1. 08-16-20 05:51 PM #1
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    San Francisco Giants pitching sucks

    3 pitchers giving up a total of 9 runs in the 5th inning.

    Kapler sucks. Lol
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  2. 08-16-20 08:34 PM #2
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  3. 08-16-20 08:39 PM #3
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    Good time to start fading the Giants
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  4. 08-16-20 08:43 PM #4
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    seem to have no bullpen whatsoever
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  5. 08-16-20 08:48 PM #5
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    My books not offering them most likely due to the short season but nobody taking 2H bets this year? Haven’t seen anyone posting them
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    My favorite team stat is the one all the way to the right.
    The WAR column.
    -0.9 is brutal, about a bad as it gets.

    Hey, the Red Sox pitching is almost as bad.




    Team W L SV K/9 BB/9 HR/9 BABIP LOB% GB% HR/FB ERA FIP xFIP WAR
    Indians 12 9 8 10.69 2.47 1.16 0.251 85.20% 41.00% 14.50% 2.56 3.42 3.47 4.1
    Rockies 12 8 7 7.43 2.38 0.91 0.292 67.90% 47.50% 10.90% 3.99 3.76 4.24 3.5
    Dodgers 15 7 7 8.6 2.82 0.94 0.243 80.90% 44.70% 11.90% 2.46 3.63 3.97 3.4
    Reds 9 11 2 11.97 3.75 1.3 0.282 66.80% 43.50% 17.00% 4.42 3.85 3.61 3.4
    Athletics 15 6 10 8.53 2.75 1.07 0.277 75.50% 42.50% 11.40% 3.54 3.74 4.22 3.2
    Cubs 13 5 5 8.34 2.98 0.99 0.249 71.20% 45.80% 12.20% 3.92 3.9 4.21 3.1
    Rangers 10 9 7 8.93 4.44 1.03 0.255 71.20% 38.20% 10.50% 4.06 4.23 4.85 2.6
    Twins 13 8 8 8.83 2.96 1.3 0.265 80.20% 42.60% 14.40% 3.51 4.1 4.15 2.4
    Padres 11 11 6 8.67 2.81 1.41 0.29 70.80% 39.20% 14.20% 4.69 4.37 4.46 2.3
    Orioles 12 8 7 8.44 2.86 1.28 0.283 67.70% 45.50% 15.20% 4.6 4.27 4.24 2.2
    Brewers 9 10 5 10.8 3.71 1.43 0.291 74.80% 45.00% 18.80% 4.18 4.32 3.89 2.2
    Rays 12 9 6 9.8 3.25 1.23 0.326 72.80% 44.10% 14.70% 4.39 4.02 4.04 2.1
    Mets 9 13 4 9.4 3.07 1.49 0.311 69.00% 41.20% 16.00% 5.12 4.35 4.2 2
    Braves 12 10 5 8.61 4.09 1.11 0.285 72.20% 44.60% 13.80% 4.38 4.38 4.51 1.9
    Angels 7 14 3 8.79 4.08 1.1 0.292 66.70% 41.40% 11.70% 4.61 4.27 4.71 1.9
    Astros 10 10 4 8.36 4.23 1.06 0.281 75.00% 45.50% 12.00% 3.8 4.39 4.77 1.8
    Yankees 14 6 8 9.24 3.35 1.37 0.269 73.00% 44.10% 14.20% 4.23 4.32 4.41 1.8
    White Sox 10 11 6 8.85 3.39 1.28 0.303 72.80% 45.30% 16.50% 4.43 4.34 4.17 1.8
    Phillies 7 9 2 9.26 2.65 1.85 0.351 68.80% 42.70% 23.00% 5.69 4.77 3.83 1.5
    Blue Jays 7 9 4 9.25 4.72 1.2 0.247 69.90% 42.90% 14.20% 4.03 4.4 4.49 1.4
    Nationals 7 11 3 8.52 3.57 1.55 0.291 74.90% 41.90% 16.90% 4.55 4.76 4.49 1.2
    Tigers 9 9 5 7.3 3.45 1.3 0.277 66.20% 46.60% 14.70% 5.38 4.73 4.75 1
    Cardinals 4 3 2 8.68 2.21 1.11 0.208 69.40% 47.70% 13.70% 3.47 3.65 3.78 1
    Royals 9 12 7 9.3 3.57 1.51 0.287 74.50% 44.20% 16.80% 3.97 4.67 4.43 0.8
    Pirates 4 14 1 9.41 4.54 1.51 0.311 67.20% 41.00% 15.80% 5.55 4.97 4.84 0.7
    Mariners 7 15 5 8.29 4.43 1.46 0.268 64.00% 39.40% 13.80% 5.75 5.16 5.33 0.3
    Marlins 9 5 6 8 3.74 1.87 0.249 81.90% 41.00% 17.70% 3.89 5.46 5.02 -0.1
    Diamondbacks 10 11 5 9.64 3.86 2.23 0.293 75.20% 38.30% 21.10% 5.64 5.66 4.71 -0.2
    Red Sox 6 15 3 8.75 4.38 1.62 0.34 67.50% 43.10% 17.20% 6.1 5.18 4.86 -0.5
    Giants 8 14 5 7.64 4.08 1.69 0.268 66.40% 36.80% 14.80% 5.25 5.44 5.45 -0.9
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  7. 08-16-20 09:07 PM #7
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    3 world series titles since you arrived on the forum
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  8. 08-16-20 09:19 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    3 world series titles since you arrived on the forum
    What's the old adage?
    What have you done for me lately?

    One of the greatest baseball managers off all time Bruce Bochy saw the writing on the wall and retired.
    Can't say I blame him.

    He won those titles with pitching and you know why he won?
    Because he was a former catcher.
    Catcher's know.

    But pitching always win, always has and always will.

    I'm writing a baseball book (for real) and if anyone wants to sit down and talk about pitching count me in.
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    maybe the best play with the giants on days you like them is to play the 1st 5..............
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  10. 08-16-20 10:00 PM #10
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    Kapler is a meat head. Hopefully he screws up enough that they ditch his ass after this season.
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    Kapler needs to go
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    3 world series titles since you arrived on the forum
    Giants were close in 2002. Bonds, Kent, Snow, and Santiago could of had a ring.
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    Kapler is the worst manager in mlb. Hands down, guy is a penetrating clown
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  14. 08-16-20 11:25 PM #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMobile View Post
    Giants were close in 2002. Bonds, Kent, Snow, and Santiago could of had a ring.
    Yep, got beat my yet another team (Angels) with very good pitching, mediocre hitting, and managed by another former big league catcher.

    Funny how that keeps working out.
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  15. 08-17-20 12:00 AM #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Yep, got beat my yet another team (Angels) with very good pitching, mediocre hitting, and managed by another former big league catcher.

    Funny how that keeps working out.
    Angel's had a good offense: Glaus, Spiezio, Salmon, Erstad, Eickstein.
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  16. 08-17-20 01:32 AM #16
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    their bullpen is terrible
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  17. 08-17-20 02:03 AM #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMobile View Post
    Angel's had a good offense: Glaus, Spiezio, Salmon, Erstad, Eickstein.
    Glaus and Garrett Anderson did most of the heavy lifting in 2002 for the Angels.
    Glaus hit 30 homers and drove in 111 runs
    Garrett Anderson hit 29 homers and drove in 123 runs.

    That Angels team was one of the most balanced teams I can remember.

    This is what I meant by their pitching.
    The top three starters made each and every starts (32)
    The top three starters each won 14 plus games.
    Yet the common baseball fan can't name one of them.
    The Angel pitching staff was top 2 in most every pitching category.

    On offense they did not have a Bonds, or a Griffey, or a Sosa, or an A-Rod...
    But all of them were good at multiple things.

    Same as their pitching staff.
    They didn't have a Pedro, or a Clemens, or a Randy Johnson either.

    The Angels best player that season very well may have been Troy Percival who saved 40 games but gets over looked by Johm Smoltz and hist 55 saves but Percival was automatic that season.

    Here's the pitching staff that nobody remembers.



    Pos Name W L ERA G GS GF CG SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W
    SP Ramon Ortiz 15 9 3.77 32 32 0 4 0 217.1 188 97 91 40 68 162 5 1.178 7.8 1.7 2.8 6.7 2.38
    SP Jarrod Washburn* 18 6 3.15 32 32 0 1 0 206 183 75 72 19 59 139 3 1.175 8 0.8 2.6 6.1 2.36
    SP Kevin Appier 14 12 3.92 32 32 0 0 0 188.1 191 89 82 23 64 132 7 1.354 9.1 1.1 3.1 6.3 2.06
    SP Aaron Sele 8 9 4.89 26 26 0 1 0 160 190 92 87 21 49 82 7 1.494 10.7 1.2 2.8 4.6 1.67
    SP John Lackey 9 4 3.66 18 18 0 1 0 108.1 113 52 44 10 33 69 4 1.348 9.4 0.8 2.7 5.7 2.09
    CL Troy Percival 4 1 1.92 58 0 50 0 40 56.1 38 12 12 5 25 68 0 1.118 6.1 0.8 4 10.9 2.72
    RP Scott Schoeneweis* 9 8 4.88 54 15 4 0 1 118 119 68 64 17 49 65 5 1.424 9.1 1.3 3.7 5 1.33
    RP Ben Weber 7 2 2.54 63 0 16 0 7 78 70 25 22 4 22 43 3 1.179 8.1 0.5 2.5 5 1.95
    RP Al Levine 4 4 4.24 52 0 21 0 5 63.2 61 35 30 8 34 40 2 1.492 8.6 1.1 4.8 5.7 1.18
    RP Brendan Donnelly 1 1 2.17 46 0 11 0 1 49.2 32 13 12 2 19 54 2 1.027 5.8 0.4 3.4 9.8 2.84
    Lou Pote 0 2 3.22 31 0 13 0 0 50.1 33 20 18 7 26 32 3 1.172 5.9 1.3 4.6 5.7 1.23
    Scot Shields 5 3 2.2 29 1 13 0 0 49 31 13 12 4 21 30 1 1.061 5.7 0.7 3.9 5.5 1.43
    Mickey Callaway 2 1 4.19 6 6 0 0 0 34.1 31 20 16 4 11 23 3 1.223 8.1 1 2.9 6 2.09
    Dennis Cook* 1 1 3.38 37 0 5 0 0 24 21 9 9 2 10 13 1 1.292 7.9 0.8 3.8 4.9 1.3
    Donne Wall 0 0 6.43 17 0 8 0 0 21 17 15 15 3 7 13 1 1.143 7.3 1.3 3 5.6 1.86
    Mark Lukasiewicz* 2 0 3.86 17 0 4 0 0 14 17 6 6 0 9 15 0 1.857 10.9 0 5.8 9.6 1.67
    Matt Wise 0 0 3.24 7 0 6 0 0 8.1 7 3 3 0 1 6 1 0.96 7.6 0 1.1 6.5 6
    Francisco Rodriguez 0 0 0 5 0 4 0 0 5.2 3 0 0 0 2 13 1 0.882 4.8 0 3.2 20.6 6.5
    Team Totals 99 63 3.69 162 162 155 7 54 1452.1 1345 644 595 169 509 999 49 1.277 8.3 1 3.2 6.2 1.96
    Rank in 14 AL teams 3 12 2 10 1 1 2 1 2 6 7 8
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  18. 08-17-20 05:33 AM #18
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    Most teams have no pitching the arms are dead I don’t know why maybe from Little League too many curveballs
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  19. 08-17-20 06:13 AM #19
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    who will gabe be managing next
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  20. 08-17-20 08:43 AM #20
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    He takes Webb out who was doing pretty well, but 84 pitches in the 5th. A guy gets on...pitching change, 2 run homer on the 1st pitch and then the runs came flowing.
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  21. 08-17-20 09:06 AM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnatikid513 View Post
    who will gabe be managing next
    Maybe not next year? But definitely after that the Salina Stockade team in the Pecos league
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  22. 08-17-20 11:44 AM #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    My favorite team stat is the one all the way to the right.
    The WAR column.
    -0.9 is brutal, about a bad as it gets.

    Hey, the Red Sox pitching is almost as bad.
    How does WAR work for teams? is it the total for all the players?
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    I lost 2 games last week by a 3 run homer in 8th & 9th inning!! Wtf!!
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  24. 08-17-20 12:11 PM #24
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    Nash, did Garret go to the All Star game that year or the next year?
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    lets go giants !!​
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  26. 08-17-20 06:02 PM #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMobile View Post
    Nash, did Garret go to the All Star game that year or the next year?
    Yes, he was the only Angel.
    He went 0-4 with a RBI but didn't start (Manny started in left)



    Batting AB R H RBI BB SO PA BA OBP SLG OPS Pit Str WPA aLI WPA+ WPA- RE24 PO A Details
    Ichiro Suzuki RF 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 5 2 -0.034 0.67 0 -0.034 -0.3 0 0
    Randy Winn RF 2 1 1 0 1 1 3 0.5 0.667 1 1.667 10 5 -0.034 1.35 0.055 -0.089 0.1 1 0 2B,SB
    Ugueth Urbina P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Mariano Rivera P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Freddy Garcia P 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 -0.075 3.27 0 -0.075 -0.3 0 0
    Shea Hillenbrand 3B 2 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 12 8 -0.032 0.64 0 -0.032 -0.4 1 0
    Robin Ventura 3B 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 4 3 -0.038 1.33 0 -0.038 -0.3 0 1
    Tony Batista PH-3B 3 1 1 1 0 1 3 0.333 0.333 0.333 0.667 11 8 -0.076 2.72 0.101 -0.177 0.3 0 4
    Alex Rodriguez SS 2 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 6 6 -0.021 0.41 0 -0.021 -0.3 0 2
    Miguel Tejada SS 2 1 1 0 0 0 2 0.5 0.5 0.5 1 7 4 0.016 1.25 0.039 -0.023 0 0 1
    Nomar Garciaparra PH-SS 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 3 3 -0.044 1.77 0 -0.044 -0.2 0 0
    Jason Giambi 1B 2 1 1 0 0 1 2 0.5 0.5 0.5 1 8 7 -0.01 0.57 0.014 -0.023 0 4 0
    Paul Konerko 1B 2 0 2 2 0 0 2 1 1 2 3 5 4 0.433 1.94 0.433 0 2.3 5 0 2·2B
    Mike Sweeney 1B 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 2 1 -0.033 1.3 0 -0.033 -0.1 3 0
    Manny Ramirez LF 2 0 2 1 0 0 2 1 1 1 2 6 4 0.077 0.68 0.077 0 1.2 1 1
    Mark Buehrle P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    A.J. Pierzynski PH-C 3 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 7 4 -0.128 1.64 0 -0.128 -0.9 7 1
    Jorge Posada C 3 0 0 0 0 2 3 0 0 0 0 13 10 -0.069 1.01 0 -0.069 -0.8 3 0
    Barry Zito P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Eddie Guardado P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Kazuhiro Sasaki P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Robert Fick PH-RF 2 1 1 0 0 0 2 0.5 0.5 0.5 1 3 3 0.084 2.48 0.128 -0.044 0.4 1 0 SB
    Torii Hunter CF 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 8 5 -0.056 1.05 0 -0.056 -0.5 2 0
    Johnny Damon CF 3 1 1 0 0 1 3 0.333 0.333 0.333 0.667 22 14 -0.056 1.85 0.058 -0.113 0.2 3 0 SB
    Alfonso Soriano 2B 2 1 1 1 0 1 2 0.5 0.5 2 2.5 6 5 0.053 0.81 0.079 -0.026 0.8 1 1 HR
    Omar Vizquel 2B 2 0 1 1 1 0 3 0.5 0.667 1.5 2.167 9 3 0.382 2.29 0.412 -0.029 1.5 1 1 3B
    Derek Lowe P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Derek Jeter PH 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 5 3 -0.018 0.73 0 -0.018 -0.2
    Roy Halladay P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Garret Anderson LF 4 0 0 1 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 13 10 -0.19 2.21 0 -0.19 -0.8 0 0
    Team Totals 45 7 12 7 2 12 47 0.267 166 113 0.131 0 1.396 -1.262 1.7 33 12
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    Kapler will screw this up tonight too
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    Quote Originally Posted by stake1 View Post
    Kapler will screw this up tonight too
    They need to replace him with a Tony Pena type.
    Look at the sucessful managers that were ex-catchers.
    Mike Scioscia, Joe Girardi, Bruce Bochy......

    Quote Originally Posted by eidolon View Post
    How does WAR work for teams? is it the total for all the players?
    https://library.fangraphs.com/misc/war/

    I was analysing the 2003 season.
    The Marlins got hot at the right time, they beat the Giants, Cubs, and Yankees in post season to win it all.
    I think SF was the best team in the NL in 2003.

    This was not a great pitching staff that did win it all.


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    Carl Pavano 12 13 4.3 33 32 1 0 201 204 99 96 19 49 133 98 3.77 1.259 9.1 0.9 2.2 6 2.71
    Brad Penny 14 10 4.13 32 32 0 0 196.1 195 96 90 21 56 138 102 3.92 1.278 8.9 1 2.6 6.3 2.46
    Mark Redman* 14 9 3.59 29 29 0 0 190.2 172 82 76 16 61 151 117 3.58 1.222 8.1 0.8 2.9 7.1 2.48
    Dontrelle Willis* 14 6 3.3 27 27 0 0 160.2 148 61 59 13 58 142 127 3.45 1.282 8.3 0.7 3.2 8 2.45
    Josh Beckett 9 8 3.04 24 23 1 0 142 132 54 48 9 56 152 138 2.94 1.324 8.4 0.6 3.5 9.6 2.71
    Braden Looper 6 4 3.68 74 0 64 28 80.2 82 34 33 4 29 56 115 3.4 1.376 9.1 0.4 3.2 6.2 1.93
    Michael Tejera* 3 4 4.67 50 6 10 2 81 82 44 42 6 36 58 90 3.93 1.457 9.1 0.7 4 6.4 1.61
    Armando Almanza* 4 5 6.08 51 0 15 0 50.1 59 37 34 10 25 49 70 5.28 1.669 10.5 1.8 4.5 8.8 1.96
    Tim Spooneybarger 1 2 4.07 33 0 9 0 42 27 21 19 1 11 32 104 2.67 0.905 5.8 0.2 2.4 6.9 2.91
    Ugueth Urbina 3 0 1.41 33 0 11 6 38.1 23 6 6 2 13 37 301 2.8 0.939 5.4 0.5 3.1 8.7 2.85
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    Fukk you Kapler
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    Quote Originally Posted by 209 Life View Post
    Fukk you Kapler
    Unreal game....
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    just sickening...

    no fkn cool
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    Fuckk Kapler and his mother.
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    This clown is trying to point out good plays in the game like this is little league. Can't make this shiet up.
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  34. 08-18-20 12:13 AM #34
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    Loving Kapler

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    PARLAY (3 TEAMS)
    [954] NYY -156
    ( ACTION )
    [972] LAA -171
    ( ACTION )
    [974] LAD -300
    ( ACTION
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  35. 08-18-20 12:27 AM #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnuckleHeadz View Post
    Loving Kapler

    STRAIGHT BET
    [9971] TOTAL o11½-120 (SFO (IN GAME) vrs LAA (IN GAME))
    ( ACTION / ACTION )

    PARLAY (3 TEAMS)
    [954] NYY -156
    ( ACTION )
    [972] LAA -171
    ( ACTION )
    [974] LAD -300
    ( ACTION
    very cool guy
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