[SBR Drew]

Guys what a great Pick 6 Contest we had this football season. When researching/reviewing the contest for 2020 we are asking for feedback from you. The contest was a huge success and we are looking for ways to improve your experience. We have a few things already noted but want you to help. Please reply with any ideas here.

Thank you all for being a huge part of the SBR family...

[MBENZ]

Bring back the prick or use Jimmy the bag and have the same format as BTP.One loss in this pick 6 and you basically had no incentive to make any more picks that week.At least with BTP you had some chance of winning something that week.

[swordsandtequila]

1. Pros only
2. Pros only
3. Pros only

Announce the contest/open up registration a few months earlier, this gives non-pros ample time to become pro prior to start of contest. Easiest way to eliminate ghosts/scammers. Not pro by start, see you next year.

4. Make everything -110/110 and use action points to determine finish. Current format became a lottery ticket, pick the few +odds available and hope they hit.

5. Maybe expand the weekly prize pool with sportsbook free plays, similar to BTP. Lot of 5-1 weeks resulted in zilch.

No reason the best contest can't be even better.

[unlearn]

Pros only from the get go.

[RudyRuetigger]

Pros only contest
Nonpro only contest

1 3*, 2 2*, 3 1* plays

DO NOT MAKE IT BY UNITS WON...thats a line shopping, get lucky contest

Beat someone, beat the bag, beat whoever...spread the wealth weekly better instead of the guy finding the +111 2star play

[gauchojake]

KYC

More free plays

Like a few have already said, the lotto ticket plus odds shit was ridiculous. It basically encourages multi accounts. They can just create a bunch of accounts and take shots each week and still cash even if only half.

Announce rules/rule changes as late as possible to keep the angle shooters guessing.

Ghost hunting during the off season. These clowns will be registering accounts year round and getting their post counts up during down times.

Participation requirement. There are people on this board who literally add nothing, just take. Play every contest yet never post content. Whether that be social media or chitty room, I think it's something to be considered.

[RudyRuetigger]

i like that third party ID verification

has to be a reputable site

many will create ghosts in family members name...most wont steal their great grandmas ID card and scan it

[Chi_archie]

Pro only

seems like most don't like the weekly prize structure. If you are going to make it bigger variance luck box contest for the top $ at least lower the prizes to amount that allows you to make bet point freeplays to the top 10% or top 100 whatever.

I know you use the prizes at the end of contest as a dangling carrot for those that enter as non pro, to get them to go pro.

but maybe have a separate non pro contest, and allow them to go PRO by a certain week like 8 or 10 and their record can transfer from the non pro contest, to the Pro contest and make them eligible for the bigger $ prizes

[ArunSh]

Echo what others said above, pros only to help prevent ghosts/multi-accounting. Or if the goal is to encourage people to go pro, really reduce what nonpros can win (instead of 50% make it a lower %). No free rolling is the point! And even if they win something, those points/$ should go first into forcing them to going pro, better for them if they win later prizes anyway, and makes sure they have contributed equally to the site as others before they win anything further.

And yes, I preferred the format of Beat the Prick - as someone said above, the moment you lost one pick any given week, immediately lost interest since you could only win something going 6-0. Having a chance to win something going 3-2 was quite nice even if it wasn't something huge! So yeah I would use that format just having JimmytheBag or DjBigBoss or BigRagoo taking Prick's place (and renaming the contest appropriately!).

[Optional]

A format that gives points prizes to more people each week. When a lot of people win points each week, it also drives other forum activity 7 days a week during football season.

Something that keeps players interested after 1 loss.

Base it on Action Points instead of units so there is no requirement to pick a +odds selection to have a chance of winning the week.

Bigger prize at end.

No cash prizes at all for non-pros, just points.

[RudyRuetigger]

A format that gives points prizes to more people each week.

Something that keeps players interested after 1 loss.

Base it on Action Points instead of units so there is no requirement to pick a +odds selection to have a chance of winning the week.

Bigger prize at end.

No cash prizes at all for non-pros, just points.

yes!














no joining the pro contest after week 8 or 10 like archie said

if you want to give them 3 or 4 weeks, then only that

its way too far along

[Optional]

It can't be pro only if part of the reason for the big investment in it is to bring new users to the site.

[RudyRuetigger]

It can't be pro only if part of the reason for the big investment in it is to bring new users to the site.

two separate contests

[Optional]

two separate contests

Why would a non-pro decide to turn pro (and therefore be more likely to remain a regular long term user) if the contest was only for non-pros?

We want them in main contest and hopefully win a couple of thousand points and decide that is enough to tip them over into making a donation for the pro membership.



Seriously. There wont be a big prize if the contest does not generate new users, new pro members, and more site activity. Thats what makes it worth SBR spending the bucks on it.

[2ndchance]

Nope

[ArunSh]

Base it on Action Points instead of units so there is no requirement to pick a +odds selection to have a chance of winning the week.

It can't be pro only if part of the reason for the big investment in it is to bring new users to the site.

Definitely like that first suggestion - felt kind of silly going through the choices and making sure to pick one + unit wager (a pick I often didn't really want/know about). But in order to win the week, that was a necessary thing to do. So yeah, I like the action points suggestion in that regard for deciding ties between folks who have the same record (and same result in the 2* pick).

As for bringing new users to the site - that's quite understandable. As I said, whatever they win though, the first $100 or first 3000 points (or a mix of the two if that ends up being possible, first $50 + 1500 points) should automatically go towards turning them pro. Only after they've won enough to turn themselves pro should anything go directly to their pocket. Given that (at least this year) they only won 50% of the prize, that would incentivize them even more perhaps to go pro early on rather than having to build up twice as much in winnings before automatically turning pro.

[Hman]

I'm not sure how everyone else feels, but in any contest I've always been in favor of smaller weekly prizes, and larger year-end payouts

[2ndchance]

There never going to make it non pros like op is saying that’s the reason they do it. Cut off can be sooner btp format way better though. I hate the one loss I didn’t win one thing and I came in 140 over all. More aggravating then fun can’t win unless perfect and then u gotta pick plus units to win anything good.

[Optional]

Definitely like that first suggestion - felt kind of silly going through the choices and making sure to pick one + unit wager (a pick I often didn't really want/know about). But in order to win the week, that was a necessary thing to do. So yeah, I like the action points suggestion in that regard for deciding ties between folks who have the same record (and same result in the 2* pick).

As for bringing new users to the site - that's quite understandable. As I said, whatever they win though, the first $100 or first 3000 points (or a mix of the two if that ends up being possible, first $50 + 1500 points) should automatically go towards turning them pro. Only after they've won enough to turn themselves pro should anything go directly to their pocket. Given that (at least this year) they only won 50% of the prize, that would incentivize them even more perhaps to go pro early on rather than having to build up twice as much in winnings before automatically turning pro.

No 2x pick. Just action points. Units would be the tie breaker but would rarely be needed, as it should be with a tie breaker used in a skill contest.


maybe a points prize for anyone with positive action points each week... as a percentage of the total action points made over par by all entrants.

That would solve the issue of keeping the contest interesting for most people through to the final pick each week.

[ArunSh]

No 2x pick. Just action points. Units would be the tie breaker but would rarely be needed, as a tie breaker should be in a skill contest.

Yeah fair enough. I've personally never liked the 2x pick myself, whatever the format, just figured it was here to stay. But yeah back in the days of BTP, and you needed a positive score to have any chance, I felt it hinged way too much on the 2x pick - I personally would prefer all the picks be equal weight.

[Optional]

Yeah fair enough. I've personally never liked the 2x pick myself, whatever the format, just figured it was here to stay. But yeah back in the days of BTP, and you needed a positive score to have any chance, I felt it hinged way too much on the 2x pick - I personally would prefer all the picks be equal weight.

Being able to pick which spreads are most off would be more skillful capping wise, plus might help bettors think about their real bets differently.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

I echo a lot of the previous opinions. Make it possible to win something for not going 6-0 each week.

[5mike5]

Bring back BTP

And stop giving cash to free loaders

[pimike]

Being able to pick which spreads are most off would be more skillful capping wise, plus might help bettors think about their real bets differently.

Correct

[harthebar]

I'm not sure how everyone else feels, but in any contest I've always been in favor of smaller weekly prizes, and larger year-end payouts. And some form of ptb so there is a incentive. Every week . Less payouts weekly bigger at end. Free play points weekly
8th place here.
Vortexx. If you left your winnings in the bit coin bank you would of made 500 more. I think. It was perfect timing

[harthebar]

There are a lot of great ideas out there. Bottom line. Is winning.

[RudyRuetigger]

Being able to pick which spreads are most off would be more skillful capping wise, plus might help bettors think about their real bets differently.

Correct

incorrect

this would favor TOTAL bettors, in particular those betting OVER on close matchups in hopes that it goes to overtime

i know, chances are small but so are the chances of going 6-0 and hitting +unit plays on 2 or 3 games

[Optional]

incorrect

this would favor TOTAL bettors, in particular those betting OVER on close matchups in hopes that it goes to overtime

i know, chances are small but so are the chances of going 6-0 and hitting +unit plays on 2 or 3 games

I think I prefer a small advantage to picking overs than having to pick a +odds game I don't really wish to pick to have a shot at winning.

17 weeks isn't going to be enough advantage to make much difference I dont think.


Or do you prefer units?

[shadymcgrady]

I had a few 5-1 or 5-0-1 weeks but never a 6-0. It was soul crushing

[RudyRuetigger]

Why would a non-pro decide to turn pro (and therefore be more likely to remain a regular long term user) if the contest was only for non-pros?

We want them in main contest and hopefully win a couple of thousand points and decide that is enough to tip them over into making a donation for the pro membership.



Seriously. There wont be a big prize if the contest does not generate new users, new pro members, and more site activity. Thats what makes it worth SBR spending the bucks on it.

I would love to know how many joined as a pro at the end of the cutoff for BTP all these years and the retention rate of them. id form a better opinion

my guess is, alot dont renew with their own 100, and i do have some proof of that

you get your 100 back immediately if you get to keep 3k points, you can easily make 3k points during the year. pro pays for itself easily
im watching guys and ghosts take away all the money from biggest contests of the year

hell, id rather you give it to bash members
what was it this year, $50k plus points?


ok so next year do 45k plus points and 5k plus points for nonpros

[brian311]

BTP format was fun!

+Rather have more places paid at end than weekly.
+Easier chances to hit freeplay. I guess I should have made my 2x against Jameis all season and his league leading pick 6s!

[thechaoz]

It can't be pro only if part of the reason for the big investment in it is to bring new users to the site.

I guess I just don't have the care or time to cheat, but how hard is it for somebody to make up 30 names, using a VPN on 30 different IPS, take shots and go pro with that account.

I agree with the free play thing cuz even when I went five-1 I never won.

you some sort of ID verification or third-party, providing name and address and phone number and a billing statement and ID.

It's not fair to all the svr pros and people who contribute to the site because we constantly seen on contributing numbers at the top of the charts

[franklee168]

Where the hell is the prick? Miss that guy.

[Carseller4]

I like the contest just as it was.

Except get rid of non-Pros after week 6.

[THE HITMAN]

I mention this, it seems, once a year. I would like the option of payouts to Paypal . At least your winnings will be/stay what they are...............I remember a couple of years ago, the 'coin was fluctuating, mostly downward after the contest. Geez, I was down double digits percentage-wise before I even withdrew it.