[mrpapageorgio]

The owners are out to break the union. The biggest obstacle to breaking the union is the time it takes to starve the players. The owners now have several months of not paying the players. If they don't pay them another dime this year, and they start delaying next season -- the CBA will be up. In the meantime, the players will have gone from millions to nothing and will start to splinter. Then when the new CBA starts getting negotiated, the REAL hammer will be dropped. Imagine a 32 year old pitcher who is suddenly 34, and has lost tens of millions of prime playing career and contract money. That money is LOST. it is never gonna be recovered. The players have overplayed their hand.

The owners are billionaires..... losing money is just a tax write-off.

Problem is holding out too long and you lose fans. Lose fans, there goes the value of your teams which is more than a tax write off. Some of those teams are probably a large part of their portfolios.

[THE HITMAN]

i grew up with big red machine. i was personally friends with youngest and third youngest players to play mlb. Miss hearing stories of baseball in the 50's and 60's.

Do you mean Joe Nuxhall, Chico ??

[mtneer1212]

Problem is holding out too long and you lose fans. Lose fans, there goes the value of your teams which is more than a tax write off. Some of those teams are probably a large part of their portfolios.

They don't care about fans. It might take a few years, but they always come back.

[jjgold]

Why even come back now it’s too late

[stake1]

Players miscalculated. They will lose in the end

[SBR Tony]

Sources: MLB makes 60-game offer to players

[2daBank]

Why even come back now it’s too late

Because If they go 18 months without baseball they gonna take a hit they can’t afford considering they already had issues.

[MinnesotaFats]

No matter what offer owners make the MLBPA will file a grievance.

I can't see MLB being played in 2020 without the players actually laying down their swords.

[lakerboy]

Why even come back now it’s too late

Owners lose big money the more games they play. That's the whole thing. They want less games thats why they have stalled.

[PaperTrail07]

Wouldn't it be crazy if all the sudden they had the same views as a whole season simply bc of the thirst for action.....most mid day baseball breezes by the masses.....not anymore....

Owners lose big money the more games they play. That's the whole thing. They want less games thats why they have stalled.

[2daBank]

Owners lose big money the more games they play. That's the whole thing. They want less games thats why they have stalled.

Sure they might drop some coin but that small picture bs as the equity in their teams continues to rise. Dont think that will be the case if they manage to Fukk things up.

[chico2663]

Do you mean Joe Nuxhall, Chico ??

yes although i was closer to ron moeller sr. But joe used to scalp me playing gin rummy at least couple time a month. Played competitive softball with his great nephew kelly. I used to park cars at marge schott a house in college for reds rally and i would chat him. He grew up with my uncles in hamilton ohio.

[SBR Tony]

and so it begins

Sources: MLB players want more than 60 games

[SBR Tony]

Union counters MLB, proposes 70-game season

• 70-game season from July 19 through Sept. 30;
  
  
  
• Full pro-rated pay;
  
  
  
• Spring training to begin June 26th-28th;
  
  
  
• Expanded playoffs in 2020 and 2021 season;
  
  
  
• Minimum pool for playoff shares in 2020 based on rounds played, $50 million if full playoff is staged;
  
  
  
• 50/50 split of incremental TV revenues for any additional post-season games in '21;
  
  
  
• Salary Advance forgiveness for all players in Tiers I-III of March agreement;
  
  
  
• Opt-outs -- Full service/salary for players who are high risk and those who live with high-risk individuals;
  
  
  
• $10 million for "social justice initiatives" (funded from welfare plan);
  
  
  
• $50 million to be transferred from joint funds (ITF) to the commissioner's discretionary fund;
  
  
  
• Clubs granted permission to sell advertisements/patches on uniforms in '20 and '21;
  
  
  
• Enhanced housing allowances in spring training and regular season;
  
  
  
• Universal DH in '20 and '21;
  
  
  
• Parties to collaborate on broadcast enhancements;
  
  
  
• Mutual waiver of potential grievances under the March agreement.

[johnnyvegas13]

I think mob w nba

tgey both play or both dint

[cybersharp]

I think mob w nba

tgey both play or both dint

Can you translate that for us?

[johnnyvegas13]

Can you translate that for us?

mlb w nba

they either return or don’t

[nyplayer33]

No mlb agreed.....no more sports also.

[SBR Tony]

Manfred quickly rejects union's 70-game plan

[SBR Tony]

MLB won't counter union, sticks to 60-game offer

[2daBank]

MLB won't counter union, sticks to 60-game offer

Can you believe these assholes on both sides are so out of touch they gonna let 10 stinking games derail the whole thing? Freaking insane!! You would think owners just stall out until they to the point they only be able to play the 50 they really want so players be better off just signing off on the damn 60!!!

[Gaze73]

So players want 100% pay for playing only 43% of games? Greedy shits. Why are multimillionaires so fuking greedy, you don't need a second yacht.

[mrpapageorgio]

So players want 100% pay for playing only 43% of games? Greedy shits. Why are multimillionaires so fuking greedy, you don't need a second yacht.

The players are not asking for their full contact for the year, they're asking to be paid 100% pro-rata meaning they want their salary divided per game and get paid per game. That's what they agreed to in March. Because of that, naturally the players want to play more games. Owners after realizing the games may happen without fans then wanted the players to take a percentage cut of their pro-rata (i.e. If their pro-rata was $100k/game, they wanted the players to accept $70k/game instead of the $100k). Players have told the owners to shove it, they're not changing the deal that was already agreed to.

[PittsburghPlayer]

Baseball a dead game as it is this could really hurt

let us not forget the Pirates had a kid-fukker on their payroll last year

great city for a AAA team

#fukktheBucs

[slayer14]

Baseball just ruined there reputation that they care about the fans

[2daBank]

The players are not asking for their full contact for the year, they're asking to be paid 100% pro-rata meaning they want their salary divided per game and get paid per game. That's what they agreed to in March. Because of that, naturally the players want to play more games. Owners after realizing the games may happen without fans then wanted the players to take a percentage cut of their pro-rata (i.e. If their pro-rata was $100k/game, they wanted the players to accept $70k/game instead of the $100k). Players have told the owners to shove it, they're not changing the deal that was already agreed to.

That all been worked out, only thing left number of games and players threat to file a grievance cause owners trying to limit amount of games.

[stake1]

These guys only care about money. Baseball is now the biggest joke in pro sports

[SBR Tony]

Sources: Players eye vote on MLB plan Sunday

[SBR Tony]

Sources: MLBPA postpones vote as talks continue

LOL

[johnnyvegas13]

All summer spirts doubtful

[Brooklyn Dick]

Something will happen by end of Wednesday. Either a deal or a mandated season. Whether it gets off the ground is another thing.

[Roscoe_Word]

Negotiations are a marathon.

Lets hope for something tangible to emerge by mid week.

Wouldn't be surprised to hear: "Owners and Players Union have agreed to have further negotiations with a possible vote by mid August."

[johnnyvegas13]

Something will happen by end of Wednesday. Either a deal or a mandated season. Whether it gets off the ground is another thing.

always a day or week away isn’t it

[SBR_Guest_Pro]

no sports this year. Covid cases increasing in sports. obviously they arn't social distancing in the showers

[johnnyvegas13]

Cancel everything but nfl