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    Goldman Sachs Corona Preliminary Analysis

    Conclusions of Goldman Sachs Investee call where 1,500 companies dialed in. The key economic takeaways were:

    50% of Americans will contract the virus (150m people) as it's very communicable. This is on a par with the common cold (Rhinovirus) of which there are about 200 strains and which the majority of Americans will get 2-4 per year.

    70% of Germany will contract it (58M people). This is the next most relevant industrial economy to be effected.

    Peak-virus is expected over the next eight weeks, declining thereafter.

    The virus appears to be concentrated in a band between 30-50 degrees north latitude, meaning that like the common cold and flu, it prefers cold weather. The coming summer in the northern hemisphere should help. This is to say that the virus is likely seasonal.

    Of those impacted 80% will be early-stage, 15% mid-stage and 5% critical-stage. Early-stage symptoms are like the common cold and mid-stage symptoms are like the flu; these are stay at home for two weeks and rest. 5% will be critical and highly weighted towards the elderly.

    Mortality rate on average of up to 2%, heavily weight towards the elderly and immunocompromised; meaning up to 3m people (150m*.02). In the US about 3m/yr die mostly due to old age and disease, those two being highly correlated (as a percent very few from accidents). There will be significant overlap, so this does not mean 3m new deaths from the virus, it means elderly people dying sooner due to respiratory issues. This may however stress the healthcare system.

    There is a debate as to how to address the virus pre-vaccine. The US is tending towards quarantine. The UK is tending towards allowing it to spread so that the population can develop a natural immunity. Quarantine is likely to be ineffective and result in significant economic damage but will slow the rate of transmission giving the healthcare system more time to deal with the case load.

    China’s economy has been largely impacted which has affected raw materials and the global supply chain. It may take up to six months for it to recover.

    Global GDP growth rate will be the lowest in 30 years at around 2%.

    S&P 500 will see a negative growth rate of -15% to -20% for 2020 overall.

    There will be economic damage from the virus itself, but the real damage is driven mostly by market psychology. Viruses have been with us forever. Stock markets should fully recover in the 2nd half of the year.

    In the past week there has been a conflating of the impact of the virus with the developing oil price war between KSA and Russia. While reduced energy prices are generally good for industrial economies, the US is now a large energy exporter, so there has been a negative impact on the valuation of the domestic energy sector. This will continue for some time as the Russians are attempting to economically squeeze the American shale producers and the Saudi’s are caught in the middle and do not want to further cede market share to Russia or the US.

    Technically the market generally has been looking for a reason to reset after the longest bull market in history.

    There is NO systemic risk. No one is even talking about that. Governments are intervening in the markets to stabilize them, and the private banking sector is very well capitalized. It feels more like ‪9/11‬ than it does like 2008.
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    So when is the nba resuming ?

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    The DOW could see -10,000


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    Fishhead calm
    down before you call a crisis

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    Problem is it's highly contagious.

    Is Britain really going for heard immunity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otters27 View Post
    Problem is it's highly contagious.
    Is Britain really going for heard immunity
    Seems they've shifted to lockdown already

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    Appreciate this post thank you.

    Was just thinking back to basic finance class, calculating a stock’s value based on DCF model. If businesses go to $0 revenue for 1/12 or 1/6 of the year, how large of a drop does that have on its present value of future flows.

    Then you have the stunted growth. The drop will affect spending and consumption, lowering growth for at least 12-24 months. 5%? 10%? 20% or more?

    Finalizing the transition to a new accounting ERP for my team, the data conversion is brutal, but will do a basic calculation when I have a chance. Curious to see what I would estimate the drop in market cap should be, based on several industry averages, and of course assuming the market was efficient before the true panic.

    At some point the market will be extremely oversold but at what point is that? Down down she goes these days...

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    read revelations

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    Quote Originally Posted by agendaman View Post
    read revelations

    do you understand it?

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    Thanks Jay. If there's anyone that the American people can trust it's Goldman Sachs

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    Quote Originally Posted by agendaman View Post
    read revelations
    I would rather listen to them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Otters27 View Post
    Problem is it's highly contagious.

    Is Britain really going for heard immunity
    10 times more contagious than the flu they say. 😷

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    It's called herd immunity. Like a herd of cows.

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    herd that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gauchojake View Post
    Thanks Jay. If there's anyone that the American people can trust it's Goldman Sachs
    That was my first thought too

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    everyone likes to predict the worst case scenario without it no read

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    GS anaylsis doesn't appear to be what they'd consider the worst case scenerio

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    Jay vegas come to pa

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    Hard to say the economic impact right now

    Duration will be the key

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    Good read. But like others have mentioned, their reputation for honesty is super shady.

    Could you post the link? I can’t seem to find it on Google.

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    So it seems that there is controversy surrounding the validity of this...........


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambr...t-on-fire/amp/

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    the percentages of infection sound like what i have heard in other articles from the AP

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    all BS

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    My brains melting.
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    Jay have a beer man stop worrying

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    in fairness, the numbers usually mentioned are usually 80% mild, 15% severe(bad flu like symptoms) and 5% very bad (hospital needed usually). i have seen that in multiple articles and it is mentioned here. not saying it is right or wrong, just that it seems copied from other articles out there.

    not sure about the rest.

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    Current global mortality rate for COVID-19 (outside of Wuhan) is 0.7%

    So is it safe to assume will will shut down the world for 8 weeks for next years seasonal flu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelock View Post
    so it seems that there is controversy surrounding the validity of this...........


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambr...t-on-fire/amp/
    bingo

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