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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    there wasnt, whole thing is wiped out

    personally, id even argue about 1st round matchups but thats more 50/50

    tourney matchups should be 100% canceled
    The question about first round winners was more about the comment where Mike was interpreting the rules to say the event never happened at all.


    I think already decided 1st round matchup winners would like/expect to be paid in this situation and the rules appear to allow it. So event being null and void totally is not a fair call I don't think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    P. Casey Spread +1½-126 for Game
    Tournament Matchup, M. Kuchar vs P. Casey. Players must tee off for action.Game Time: Mar 12, 2020 5:55 am PST

    Loss
    S. Im Spread +1½-119 for Game
    Tournament Matchup, S. Im vs H. Matsuyama. Players must tee off for action.Game Time: Mar 12, 2020 5:10 am PST

    Loss

    Loss
    They tee’d off

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    draftkings fantasy golf canceled all 1st rounds as well, even if everyone in your contest had NO ONE that finished

    id complain about 1st round matchups as well

    it isnt official by the official rules set forth by the pga

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    P. Casey Spread +1½-126 for Game
    Tournament Matchup, M. Kuchar vs P. Casey. Players must tee off for action.Game Time: Mar 12, 2020 5:55 am PST

    Loss
    S. Im Spread +1½-119 for Game
    Tournament Matchup, S. Im vs H. Matsuyama. Players must tee off for action.Game Time: Mar 12, 2020 5:10 am PST

    Loss

    Loss
    I'll ping HI and you email them again and ask for a manager to review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimike View Post
    They tee’d off
    As optional said did PGA classify this Golf as final are these guys going to get paid as if they won

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimike View Post
    They tee’d off
    so you want 100 points on it???

    mike its just a fun bet

    ill bet 100 points they cancel

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimike View Post
    As optional said that the classify this Golf as final are these guys going to get paid as if they won
    no, they all split half of the prize pool


    the guy in last gets just over 52k, same with matsuyama in 1st, will get 52k

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    WILL STATISTICS FROM THURSDAY’S FIRST ROUND BE COUNTED? No. All results will be wiped out of the record books and from players’ statistics. For instance, Hideki Matsuyama will not be credited with a course-record tying 63.

    https://www.pgatour.com/news/2020/03...ronavirus.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    WILL STATISTICS FROM THURSDAY’S FIRST ROUND BE COUNTED? No. All results will be wiped out of the record books and from players’ statistics. For instance, Hideki Matsuyama will not be credited with a course-record tying 63.

    https://www.pgatour.com/news/2020/03...ronavirus.html
    ofcourse

    thats why id complain about 1st round matchups


    full tourney is a no brainer

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    [FONT="]WILL STATISTICS FROM THURSDAY’S FIRST ROUND BE COUNTED?[/FONT] No. All results will be wiped out of the record books and from players’ statistics. For instance, Hideki Matsuyama will not be credited with a course-record tying 63.

    https://www.pgatour.com/news/2020/03...ronavirus.html
    Pay the man heritage!

    Give him his money back!!

    Thanks!!

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    Yeah, I'm pretty sure tournament matchups should be cancelled. For 1st round matchups, if both players completed the 1st round I think it is ok to grade them. If 1 or both players didn't complete the round then they should be cancelled as well.

    Btw, does this mean they are paying out Matsuyama as the tournament winner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    The question about first round winners was more about the comment where Mike was interpreting the rules to say the event never happened at all.


    I think already decided 1st round matchup winners would like/expect to be paid in this situation and the rules appear to allow it. So event being null and void totally is not a fair call I don't think.
    like i said that is more 50/50....if i lost id bitch, if i won, id bitch depending on my own bet

    thats sad, but true as a general bettor



    the tourney, which mike is referring to, is why i had him argue to refund his bets

    thats a clear cut refund

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    I'll ping HI and you email them again and ask for a manager to review.
    i didn't even contact them, just filed a complaint here... since it wasn't a grading error i didn't expect any results on my own

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    i didn't even contact them, just filed a complaint here... since it wasn't a grading error i didn't expect any results on my own
    Always best to contact book first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimike View Post
    Always best to contact book first.
    on something like this where i'm guessing thousands of bets are involved, i wanted to see if the consensus agreed with me

    jazz/betonline/bookmaker all correctly cancelled all tournament bets, but their rules are clearer (bol says must go 36 holes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    on something like this where i'm guessing thousands of bets are involved, i wanted to see if the consensus agreed with me

    jazz/betonline/bookmaker all correctly cancelled all tournament bets, but their rules are clearer (bol says must go 36 holes)
    I just spoke to them and looks like they are reviewing golf graded wagers now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    on something like this where i'm guessing thousands of bets are involved, i wanted to see if the consensus agreed with me

    jazz/betonline/bookmaker all correctly cancelled all tournament bets, but their rules are clearer (bol says must go 36 holes)
    bro, you didnt even think you deserved your money back and was complaining you lost

    i stood up for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    bro, you didnt even think you deserved your money back and was complaining you lost

    i stood up for you
    Yes you did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    i didn't even contact them, just filed a complaint here... since it wasn't a grading error i didn't expect any results on my own
    There must be others in same position.

    If it really is wrong I'd guess they will fix it on their own, but I pinged Insider already as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    bro, you didnt even think you deserved your money back and was complaining you lost

    i stood up for you
    good stuff rudy

    once you said it and i read the rules closer i agreed with you... was used to getting screwed on their tennis rules where you have to finish a set but not the whole match


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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    good stuff rudy

    once you said it and i read the rules closer i agreed with you... was used to getting screwed on their tennis rules where you have to finish a set but not the whole match

    Heritage may not agree with Rudy

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    personally, i think 1st round matchups should be canceled but noone has an argument on that as of yet

    tourney is a no brainer

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    personally, i think 1st round matchups should be canceled but noone has an argument on that as of yet

    tourney is a no brainer

    i could even see that, since the pga officially said that matsuyama's round didn't exist

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    i could even see that, since the pga officially said that matsuyama's round didn't exist
    its the same with a tornado going through


    there have been instances where pro events have had to RESTART the first round

    and this would be one of them, though they said it wont be played this year


    if they did restart, everyone would start at round 1 teeing off

    not the last groups finishing 18 first round






    for instance, groups finished 9holes and then rain 2 days straight

    it was a restart with lift, clean replace



    it would be unfair for those that played the first 9 with the ball down

    thats why you have to restart

    same here

    its wiped out



    this round was basically finished, but it wasnt and the rules are the rules

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    Please advise final call.

    I know they’re reviewing it now.

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    a quick google search

    https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id...-weather-delay


    scores reset at genesis open last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    a quick google search

    https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id...-weather-delay


    scores reset at genesis open last year
    no comments on 1st round cancellations?

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    Tournament matches should definitely be canceled. That's what Bookmaker did immediately. Not sure what's taking Heritage so long to figure this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Would you expect to be paid for winning first round match-ups that were already decided before it was cancelled?
    Bovada is incorrectly grading First Round Leader bets as losses even though the round never finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrakuda View Post
    Bovada is incorrectly grading First Round Leader bets as losses even though the round never finished.
    this is part of the reason why you have to cancel first round as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimike View Post
    Please advise final call.

    I know they’re reviewing it now.
    still graded as though the tournament happened

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    Mike you had r1 bets or tourney bets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    The question about first round winners was more about the comment where Mike was interpreting the rules to say the event never happened at all.


    I think already decided 1st round matchup winners would like/expect to be paid in this situation and the rules appear to allow it. So event being null and void totally is not a fair call I don't think.
    Disagree. 1st round WAS NEVER completed. Players were still on course when it was suspended. I’m currently arguing this at a book right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    personally, i think 1st round matchups should be canceled but noone has an argument on that as of yet

    tourney is a no brainer
    I’m arguing it now at BM, here are their rules:

    All wagers placed on markets whose outcomes have already been determined will have action!

    Example: when you place a bet on a matchup for a particular round, the bet will have action as soon as the market is official (i.e., the round ends), even if the tournament is canceled after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    this is part of the reason why you have to cancel first round as well
    I would disagree with regards to first round matchups, in the case where both players had completed their rounds. I think those can be graded. Anything involving the full field would have to be cancelled. Just my 2c.

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