[RudyRuetigger]

Notice how it says "The SuperBook and PointsBet elected to refund bets on Luck to win the NFL MVP."

ie: they did not have to refund bets under their rules.


Has no one in this thread really never heard of an all-in futures market??

Shocking to see some of the old timer names posting in here who don't seem to know

I don't care either way how they rule

The question was what did other sportsbooks do?

So i posted that to let him know




instead i get a lecture from kvb about its a rookie move to bet andrew luck and how the quote i picked out proves it.....when the quote answered exactly what OP asked

[RudyRuetigger]

more books cancelling i heard

if nevada doesnt make all books cancel, you are screwed

and appears they wont

[Optional]

I don't care either way how they rule

The question was what did other sportsbooks do?

So i posted that to let him know




instead i get a lecture from kvb about its a rookie move to bet andrew luck and how the quote i picked out proves it.....when the quote answered exactly what OP asked

Your post was one of the very few relevant posts in this entire thread.

more books cancelling i heard

if nevada doesnt make all books cancel, you are screwed

and appears they wont

It's a smart PR move to cancel.

Hopefully Bodog.eu will feel the same way once SBR approach them about Crazyivan's case.

[jjgold]

tough rule guys maybe SBR can help

[Sam Odom]

Hopefully SBR will advocate for Ivan instead of parsing words like an attorney in the book's favor

[2daBank]

Not so sure I agree it should be refunded: what’s the difference of this and a guy blowing out his acl in a few weeks??? Obviously they gonna be paying out odds on someone to win and set those odds partially based off luck being involved and taking action on him. So they giving back losing play but still having to pay out the winners? We knew something was wrong w luck before he retired, hell the Mfer ain’t participated in anything all off season!!!

So had he simply waited and sat out the 1st half would we be saying refund?

Seems to be part of getting what you prob felt was a favorable number on him was the inherit risk of that mystery injury nobody would say shit about but was clearly a issue.:

Not that I don’t feel for ya but still not sure they should be obligated to refund as inevitably another mvp canadate season be lost soon enough. Like the year Brady blew his leg out. Surely those bets lost as well.

[Optional]

Hopefully SBR will advocate for Ivan instead of parsing words like an attorney in the book's favor

That's exactly what we do, for every complaint submitted.

Parsing words? Are you just trying to excuse your ignorance now Sammy??


If they have the same rule at Bodog.eu for this as they have for other sports, exactly which part don't you understand or needs to be parsed in anyones favor here?


"A wager is deemed a Future wager if the match is offered prior to the week of the tournament/event starting. All bets on Future matches have action whether competitors compete or not."

[Sam Odom]

That's exactly what we do, for every complaint submitted.

we'll see

thanks for advocating for the players

[JIBBBY]

futures mainly for squares

Why tie up money??

I live for Futures!! Can't tell you how much money I've made with futures over the years but alot.. Shame on you JJ!! Blasphemy..

One example is betting on Donald Trump to win the Presidency in 2016.. Odds were nuts and I cashed in.. .. Ran the table with every book I'm with on that future.. +800 and higher..

Gonna run the table again in this next election.. Odds aren't so great but the bet is more secure this go around..

LOVE THE FUTURES!!! One of the reasons I'm on so many books today is because of future bet options. NBA teams to win championships and playoffs, NFL teams to win Superbowl and make playoffs, MVP futures, etc.. All stuff I play. It's always great odds and most cash if you know what you are doing. Just gotta max em out and wait em out!!!

Pending	11/10/19 8:00am Politics Other Sports 101 Donald Trump wins Presidential Election +120* vs Field wins Presidential Election

[2daBank]

Leave it to Jibbs to push his trump agenda in every thread possible. Lol

[JIBBBY]

Leave it to Jibbs to push his trump agenda in every thread possible. Lol

Bankers you got me all wrong with my posts in this thread.. Didn't even think of pushing the TRUMP agenda with that post of mine above..

I'm pushing the future bet wins that I've experienced that were very memorable and most recent that cashed for BIG!!

Has nothing to with Trump as President and has everything to do with winning FUTURE BETS PENDING!!! Gambling thread and gambling post buddy.. Honest truth.. I do like Trump though .

[2daBank]

I’m just messing around buddy.

[RudyRuetigger]

we'll see

thanks for advocating for the players

i thought you were the players advocate sammy?

i am glad i quit

very stressful and NO PAY

[Sam Odom]

Rudy

Bodog is the wrong book for Sammy... Got a lifetime ban twice there

[JIBBBY]

NFL Futures, talk to me NFL guru's!!! I'm starting to look these over now in NFL..

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Indianapolis Colts	+1925
Denver Broncos	+2350
Oakland Raiders	+2650
Tennessee Titans	+2750
New York Jets	+2800
Buffalo Bills	+2900
Miami Dolphins	+7000
Cincinnati Bengals	+7500

NFL NFC Conference Thu 9/5 8:20PM
New Orleans Saints	+475
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Philadelphia Eagles	+575
Chicago Bears	+775
Green Bay Packers	+1000
Dallas Cowboys	+1125
Atlanta Falcons	+1275
Minnesota Vikings	+1275
San Francisco 49ers	+1375
Seattle Seahawks	+1375
Carolina Panthers	+1900
Tampa Bay Buccaneers	+3250
New York Giants	+4350
Detroit Lions	+4850
Arizona Cardinals	+7000
Washington Redskins	+7500

NFL AFC East Division Sun 9/8 1:00PM
New England Patriots	-355
New York Jets	+590
Buffalo Bills	+800
Miami Dolphins	+3750

NFL AFC North Division Sun 9/8 1:00PM
Cleveland Browns	+140
Pittsburgh Steelers	+158
Baltimore Ravens	+330
Cincinnati Bengals	+1850

NFL AFC South Division Sun 9/8 1:00PM
Houston Texans	+185
Jacksonville Jaguars	+205
Tennessee Titans	+365
Indianapolis Colts	+470

NFL AFC West Division Sun 9/8 1:00PM
Kansas City Chiefs	-155
Los Angeles Chargers	+185
Denver Broncos	+1000
Oakland Raiders	+2150

NFL NFC East Division Sun 9/8 1:00PM
Philadelphia Eagles	-140
Dallas Cowboys	+150
New York Giants	+1275
Washington Redskins	+1650

NFL NFC North Division Thu 9/5 8:20PM
Chicago Bears	+188
Minnesota Vikings	+210
Green Bay Packers	+215
Detroit Lions	+950

NFL NFC South Division Sun 9/8 1:00PM
New Orleans Saints	-173
Atlanta Falcons	+370
Carolina Panthers	+525
Tampa Bay Buccaneers	+1025

NFL NFC West Division Sun 9/8 1:00PM
Los Angeles Rams	-148
Seattle Seahawks	+305
San Francisco 49ers	+475
Arizona Cardinals	+1650

NFL Super Bowl LIV Thu 9/5 8:20PM Super Bowl LIV - Hard Rock Stadium - Miami Gardens, Florida - February 2, 2...*
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Kansas City Chiefs	+750
New Orleans Saints	+1000
Los Angeles Rams	+1225
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Cleveland Browns	+1850
Los Angeles Chargers	+2000
Green Bay Packers	+2200
Pittsburgh Steelers	+2500
Dallas Cowboys	+2600
Minnesota Vikings	+2900
Atlanta Falcons	+3000
Baltimore Ravens	+3300
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Houston Texans	+3500
Jacksonville Jaguars	+4000
Carolina Panthers	+5000
Indianapolis Colts	+5500
Denver Broncos	+6600
Oakland Raiders	+7500
Tennessee Titans	+8000
New York Jets	+8500
Buffalo Bills	+9000
Tampa Bay Buccaneers	+9500
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Detroit Lions	+11500
Miami Dolphins	+13000
Cincinnati Bengals	+15000
Arizona Cardinals	+18000
Washington Redskins	+20000

[Hman]

T


"A wager is deemed a Future wager if the match is offered prior to the week of the tournament/event starting. All bets on Future matches have action whether competitors compete or not."

How many books have this rule that you know of Opti??

[seaborneq]

This Andrew Luck futures situation may change the wordings and rulings of all futures bets. Years from now we will call it the Andrew Luck futures rules. I wonder would the rules still apply if he had abruptly died versus abruptly retired. I'm not even doing my usual futures this year. I normally do at least 10 of them. This year it's only going to be Vikings to win the NFC north division.

[Optional]

How many books have this rule that you know of Opti??

I wouldn't like to guess a percentage, but I have seen it many times. It really is a normal rule among mainstream bookmakers for true futures markets.

Even at offshores.

At 5Dimes their basic over riding futures rule says "Regardless of team name changes or relocation, all teams have action in futures wagers." But they do mark most futures markets with the tag must start for action as you noted earlier.


Here's a copy of the Paddypower/Sportsbet rules for futures as an example.

[RudyRuetigger]

This Andrew Luck futures situation may change the wordings and rulings of all futures bets. Years from now we will call it the Andrew Luck futures rules. I wonder would the rules still apply if he had abruptly died versus abruptly retired. I'm not even doing my usual futures this year. I normally do at least 10 of them. This year it's only going to be Vikings to win the NFC north division.

im too young and didnt have espn

how long after the season did jordan retire the first time?

were odds already in place for next season mvp?

[RudyRuetigger]

in general you have to think about the book


those odds were made expecting everyone to play

it sucks andrew luck bets were losses out the gate

but everyone else's odds of winning mvp got that much better....and all those bets they took on those players are now that much better

if the book cancels Luck bets, they are screwed on all the other bets



we wouldnt suggest they cancel other players bets due Luck retiring

[Sam Odom]

in general you have to think about the book

Rudy

You trying to get a Job here ?

[RudyRuetigger]

Rudy

You trying to get a Job here ?

no

would ban too many people and fired first day regardless

[Optional]

those odds were made expecting everyone to play

it sucks andrew luck bets were losses out the gate

but everyone else's odds of winning mvp got that much better....and all those bets they took on those players are now that much better

if the book cancels Luck bets, they are screwed on all the other bets

That's pretty much the logic behind ALL-IN futures markets.


But it comes down to the rules in place at that book anyway. Not what we think they should be.

SBR will do what we can still. If other books are voiding, there remains hope...

[pavyracer]

Futures are sucker bets. Your money is locked up for 7 months.

[crazyivan24]

Bodog informed they have cancelled both my Andrew Luck prop wagers. The money has been credited to my account.

Thank goodness. So if anyone has a similar prop at a different book it should be voided/cancelled.

[2daBank]

Bodog informed they have cancelled both my Andrew Luck prop wagers. The money has been credited to my account.

Thank goodness. So if anyone has a similar prop at a different book it should be voided/cancelled.

Still feel “should be” is a stretch. Imo it was nice of them to do so but certainly not something I would hold against them if they ruled otherwise.

As I mentioned in my 1st post I certainly feel for anyone who bet him but at same time I don’t think grading that a loss would have been anywhere close to books worst decision in a given week let alone a season!! Imo you should be incredibly grateful for sbr or whomever helped this go your way.

[2daBank]

I mean no ill will toward anyone and glad it went in your favor so please don’t take this as me meaning any such thing.

I just honestly don’t get why everyone feels it a slam dunk “should be” refunded? Where is the line between this and say Texans RB Lamar Miller?

[MickeyMan]

Still feel “should be” is a stretch. Imo it was nice of them to do so but certainly not something I would hold against them if they ruled otherwise.

As I mentioned in my 1st post I certainly feel for anyone who bet him but at same time I don’t think grading that a loss would have been anywhere close to books worst decision in a given week let alone a season!! Imo you should be incredibly grateful for sbr or whomever helped this go your way.

My thoughts exactly. If I had made that bet there’s no way I’d automatically expect them to refund it or feel owed.

Id really be hoping they’d do it tho as a PR move

[2daBank]

My thoughts exactly. If I had made that bet there’s no way I’d automatically expect them to refund it or feel owed.

Id really be hoping they’d do it tho as a PR move

Obviously we always prefer things to go our way and let’s face it, far too often they don’t!! Lol. So by all means get/take any break we can get!!!

All I’m saying on this one is I find it crazy the outrage that was being tossed around in here when it looked like they were gonna leave it a play. I’m sorry but imo there no damn way they should have been obligated to scratch this, and bad mouthing them saying they were “free roiling” op was nonsense.

Seems to me the odds were prob more favorable simply because nobody knew wtf was going on w him. All we knew was the guy hadn’t even took part in a practice this entire off season!! and we not talking about some lazy ass wr or rb who simply didn’t wanna practice!!

When making this bet there simply no way op can convince me he had no idea luck missing some time was not only possible but looking extremely likely by the time the retirement news came out. I’m sure there some guys holding Indy futures, Indy +3 week 1 tickets, etc that would love a refund but not gonna happen. There is inherit risk making bets early whether they be one game lines or futures. Good for him getting the refund but if I’m the management the comments in here alone before the desicion woulda had me going all 5d Tony on him!! Lol

[Optional]

Bodog informed they have cancelled both my Andrew Luck prop wagers. The money has been credited to my account.

Thank goodness. So if anyone has a similar prop at a different book it should be voided/cancelled.

That's great news. Congrats on the winner

I thought they might come through for you.

[ArunSh]

Surely there were some people out there who might have bet Luck NOT TO win MVP etc.? What about them?

I mean seems like the rule should be made very clear when listed, e.g. player must play in Week 1 or player must play in within first 3 weeks, whatever in order for the bet to have action either way. Would avoid such confusion again. I don't know what is fair, have to read the fine print, but it seems like books ought to just make the wording clear within those props so that there can't be any debate, as long as the rule is consistent.

Jibby: to answer your question, I personally love all three of the Chiefs, Eagles, and Rams to win their respective divisions!

[Sam Odom]

Bodog informed they have cancelled both my Andrew Luck prop wagers. The money has been credited to my account.

[Axman3000]

From a customer service standpoint these bets should be canceled. However, people bet that the guy would be MVP and he technically still can if he un-retires or people see his quitting as the "true measure of an MVP player" and he is the first retired player to be voted MVP. I know that sounds ridiculous but odds change and even the most rare circumstances can still technically happen.

[RudyRuetigger]

i wonder why kvb didnt check back in

[GunShard]

If the regular season haven't started then sportsbooks should refund bets if a player retires or dies.