[Mrtop7]

Books know you cannot beat NFL and markets very liquid therefore the -107 lines gameday

Matchbook lines 20 cents or more bettor all sports on money lines near game times any sport

Its the money lines and live betting where usa wagering is horrific the lines are just too wide

some games in MLB at draftkings lower than pinny


yesterday In MLB

StL cards closed -159 at draftkings pinny closed -164
colorado -108 pinny closed -112
boston -132 pinny closed 135
toronto -112 pinny closed -118


denver nuggets closed - 7 (-110 ) at draftkings ............. pinny closed -5.5 -110

so if you like the blazers......you would not play offshore.

[Mrtop7]

All of this is going to bring new blood into the game, and then they will realize they are getting gouged, and will move offshore. I never viewed this as a threat to offshore.

use don best you will see you need both spots

[dante1]

USA bettors cannot play at matchbook. Money lines NFL lower at fan duel sometimes better than pinny. If you play big favorites the ML are better than pinny. I was shocked how much lower they were on many games.

this is really good news

[dante1]

I don't think being a threat to offshore is the issue, I agree it probably won't be a big deal. First we are talking how many states, about 10 or 12 at most. Only 5 or 6 now. Plus, they cater to the world, so no it won't be a big deal to the better books. It will cost them some money but it will be like pennies.


I don't think that is the point, at least not for me. I am glad they stay solvent, maybe I can load up one of the offshore just for an emergency or for a middle if it is appropriate. All in all the players in PA will IMO be better off.

[Mrtop7]

I don't think being a threat to offshore is the issue, I agree it probably won't be a big deal. First we are talking how many states, about 10 or 12 at most. Only 5 or 6 now. Plus, they cater to the world, so no it won't be a big deal to the better books. It will cost them some money but it will be like pennies.






I don't think that is the point, at least not for me. I am glad they stay solvent, maybe I can load up one of the offshore just for an emergency or for a middle if it is appropriate. All in all the players in PA will IMO be better off.

i agree. There are only a handlfull of legal states now. Outside of NJ there is not much legal Online yet. It will grow for sure. The offshore will consolidate a bit.. Have to revisit the picture in 5 years after NY and Illinois & PA go Online.

We don't know what the exchange in new jersey opening at the end of the year will be like yet... could it be like matchbook ??? who knows.

[PharaohUB]

The offshore industry has been in it's glory days for a few years now. How any offshore book goes out of business these days is beyond me. They've passed off all their transaction expenses and risk to the client by moving to bitcoin. They don't have to worry about chargebacks anymore. The bonuses are weak compared to how they used to be. They have every tool and technology in their toolbelt to lay off action they don't want and stay on top of their lines. I promise that they have some wiggle room to compete with onshore. Once they get pressured they will step up their game and offer better bonuses/lines like in the old days. Onshore will always have more expenses because everything is more expensive to run in the United States from taxes, to employee costs, to advertising. Offshore will be fine... they might not continue to rake in the dough like they do now, but they will be able to remain profitable while offering a better service than any onshore book can. I look forward to the competition.

[dante1]

The offshore industry has been in it's glory days for a few years now. How any offshore book goes out of business these days is beyond me. They've passed off all their transaction expenses and risk to the client by moving to bitcoin. They don't have to worry about chargebacks anymore. The bonuses are weak compared to how they used to be. They have every tool and technology in their toolbelt to lay off action they don't want and stay on top of their lines. I promise that they have some wiggle room to compete with onshore. Once they get pressured they will step up their game and offer better bonuses/lines like in the old days. Onshore will always have more expenses because everything is more expensive to run in the United States from taxes, to employee costs, to advertising. Offshore will be fine... they might not continue to rake in the dough like they do now, but they will be able to remain profitable while offering a better service than any onshore book can. I look forward to the competition.

agree, I am amazed how some don't make it. the only conclusion I can think of is they were rogue to begin with. they were in simply to beat people out of a deposit and had no real interest in actual booking. or underfinanced by a ton and one bad week or month brought them crashing down.


it seems almost impossible for a bookie to lose in the long run, I had been in the business for two decades and know they don't lose. If one bet will hurt you, you will lay it off, and don't forget I was a tiny tiny bit player in the scheme of things. plenty of bigger books locally than I was and all of them did well. most lied and complained and bitched and moaned but it was BS. If I didn't hear from my bookie friends...I am the only bookie in the world who loses once, I heard it 100 times. Books don't lose, if they do they made every single mistake a business could possibly make, and even then they should not lose.

[jjgold]

The offshore industry has been in it's glory days for a few years now. How any offshore book goes out of business these days is beyond me. They've passed off all their transaction expenses and risk to the client by moving to bitcoin. They don't have to worry about chargebacks anymore. The bonuses are weak compared to how they used to be. They have every tool and technology in their toolbelt to lay off action they don't want and stay on top of their lines. I promise that they have some wiggle room to compete with onshore. Once they get pressured they will step up their game and offer better bonuses/lines like in the old days. Onshore will always have more expenses because everything is more expensive to run in the United States from taxes, to employee costs, to advertising. Offshore will be fine... they might not continue to rake in the dough like they do now, but they will be able to remain profitable while offering a better service than any onshore book can. I look forward to the competition.

strong post!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[acquavallo]

I'm waiting to see how PA books handle the 38% of the GROSS to the state, on top of the $ million license fee.

PA pretty much killed horseracing, especially for advantage players, between the nation's highest takeout and the endemic corruption.

[Crusherrr]

Hopefully I can create new accounts with all of these sites/books and get more bonuses. Wouldn't mind a sweat free $3000+ free profit weekend.

If you have NJ accounts I wonder if you have to use those or need different ones. My guess would be different. I know I made a WSOP account for NJ and had to make a different one when I was in Vegas. I'm hoping that's how it works here.

[The General]

Extravagant lifestyles drugs women more drugs more women do the best in regularly as the profits roll in.

[jjgold]

I am sure all different

[Mrtop7]

it could be today for Online wagering

i am thinking sugarhouse , caesars or fan duel ?

[dante1]

just announced local tv station via apple phone, Sports Betting Approved at Mohegan Sun Pocono. Wilkes Barre, Pa. I just may check it out. Not 100% positive it started to today but it has been approved.

[acquavallo]

I can live with 107. this will be the very best football season ever and I mean for me. lol .

No fckin around with bitcoin, no credit card BS, no waiting to get paid, no problems with deposits, no concern about getting paid, even a casino that will be on the up and up (of course you will still lose, but you have a chance at winning) so many advantages.

oh btw, the email stated book will be up and tested in one to two weeks, but any and all other action is scheduled for July.

Speaking of-
I'm converting everything to Bitcoin.

[acquavallo]

i agree. There are only a handlfull of legal states now. Outside of NJ there is not much legal Online yet. It will grow for sure. The offshore will consolidate a bit.. Have to revisit the picture in 5 years after NY and Illinois & PA go Online.

We don't know what the exchange in new jersey opening at the end of the year will be like yet... could it be like matchbook ??? who knows.

Great news, but I couldn't find anything googling.
Who's gonna be offering the exchange?
Thanks.

[jjgold]

Can’t be like matchbook

Matchbook has massive worldwide pool to choose from

Nj one state will be dead as a door knob

[dante1]

just made a small withdraw from Parx, btw they have the same exact odds as sugarhouse/rivers. My only complaint thus far is the vig on baseball. The wd was super easy took me about 30 seconds, no need to speak to a rep, no need to send in all kinds of BS, no fees, no nothing. Make a couple of clicks and the WD is finished and you will see your money in your checking account 3 to 5 days. I think it will be even sooner.


Also like the number of different options you have at Sugar/Rivers on each and every game. Live betting wagers are accepted in about 4 or 5 seconds. Listen, if they become competitive with their lines and I think that will happen you will be very happy. You guys who like to bet a ton of exotic bets, maybe not so much. Furtues, I don't know much about that either. But, give these newbies some time to mature and grow into a great stop, I think we will be happy.

[pavyracer]

Offshore is dead of Americans. Who wants to deal with slow pays in bitcoins? Cash is the king. Get paid in cash right after final whistle or pitch.