[batt33]

Hey Empire ...Obama,Clinton and other top dems wanted a wall too and if "Obama is MUCH smarter than Trump" Why do you think he wanted it?

[Mr KLC]

[antifoil]

holy fucksticks could you imagine sitting at home watching a group of people over 70 lecture you on topics. that would be a horrible way to spend an evening.

[DwightShrute]

[DwightShrute]

FACT: Last year, 17,000 adults with criminal records were arrested at the Southern Border. And those are just the ones who were caught.
FACT: 6,000 gang members, including MS-13, have been apprehended at the Southern Border and removed by ICE
FACT: 3,755 known or suspected terrorists prevented from traveling to or entering the U.S. by DHS (FY17)

[JIBBBY]

Walls work..

[bradthebloke]

apologies if this was already posted but it looks like Bookmaker paid out a lot of money on the "over/under Trump lies in oval office speech" Under betters cleaned up
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pr...01-09?mod=bnbh

[Snowball]

I question Trump's motive. Why? Because the GOP controlled Congress for TWO YEARS
and he never asked for a dime for the wall. He had his chance to get the wall funding and never made
it a priority. Now the Democrats win the House, and he makes it a crisis - when everyone knows they
would be against it... so.... what is the real plan here ? Something else.

[RudyRuetigger]

you question trumps motive?


wtf


hes a billionaire that could BENEFIT greatly from unskilled workers getting paid under the table instead of minimum wage with benefits

why dont the fukkin news report that

instead, they report what workers he had that are undocumented







you are damn right if i own a business, im going to find the cheapest person to do the job

how is that not common sense?

[thomorino]

I question Trump's motive. Why? Because the GOP controlled Congress for TWO YEARS
and he never asked for a dime for the wall. He had his chance to get the wall funding and never made
it a priority. Now the Democrats win the House, and he makes it a crisis - when everyone knows they
would be against it... so.... what is the real plan here ? Something else.

Trump always made the wall a priority - you need 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done. Its been 2 years, he knows if he doesn't get the wall done this year it won't get done since democrats are obviously not going to fund the wall in an election year.

Its also smart politically because it makes the democrats look weak on border stability, and it rallies his base.

[Snowball]

Trump always made the wall a priority - you need 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done. Its been 2 years, he knows if he doesn't get the wall done this year it won't get done since democrats are obviously not going to fund the wall in an election year.

Its also smart politically because it makes the democrats look weak on border stability, and it rallies his base.

He had the House and there was no reason to expect (still doesn't have 60 in Senate) better chances post-election,
now the Republicans lost the House and he pushes the issue to a shutdown - perhaps to a National Emergency, I'm telling you,
it does not wash out. Something stinks.

[keely85]

He’s had 2 years and has built 4 15 foot wide prototypes. If it was the major platform issue he campaigned on, he coulda found donors, etc to get this ball rolling a lot more. Hell, he coulda done it for a publicity stunt during the election. The main issue is funding. And everyone on both sides know the only way that’s gettting done is through tax payers. These dummies should have put wall funding it in the tax reform bill they passed.

[thomorino]

He had the House and there was no reason to expect (still doesn't have 60 in Senate) better chances post-election,
now the Republicans lost the House and he pushes the issue to a shutdown - perhaps to a National Emergency, I'm telling you,
it does not wash out. Something stinks.

Snowball Trump obviously wasn't going to shutdown the government when Republicans controlled the House and Senate, that would just make the party look ridiculous.

[thomorino]

From a legal perspective if Trump declares a national emergency to try and build the wall it will end up in the courts and could take a long time to get to the Supreme Court.

[Snowball]

Snowball Trump obviously wasn't going to shutdown the government when Republicans controlled the House and Senate, that would just make the party look ridiculous.

The Republicans would not have let it happen. They would have funded the wall.
But perhaps this is not about the wall at all.

[Snowball]

From a legal perspective if Trump declares a national emergency to try and build the wall it will end up in the courts and could take a long time to get to the Supreme Court.

That PLUS according to the 1976 act, it can be denied by Congress, or re-evaluated later. I read the whole law.
In addition there is the possibility of impeachment and I wonder if a handful of GOP Senators may do that when
presented with a one-shot opportunity .

[sourtwist]

Irony is ironic

[maggieballs]

Ive heard many factcheckers miss the most obvious fact of them all.

The entire speech was a lie because trumper isnt even American. He's a russian spy and everyone knows it. The FACT that he and putin are homeboys shows trumper is a liar.

[sourtwist]

Ive heard many factcheckers miss the most obvious fact of them all.

The entire speech was a lie because trumper isnt even American. He's a russian spy and everyone knows it. The FACT that he and putin are homeboys shows trumper is a liar.

LOL

turn off the TV

It's poison, obvious from your assinine post

[DwightShrute]

Trump is asking for $5.7 Billion out of an annual budget of $4.407 Trillion........ Lets put that into perspective. Trump is asking for $57 dollars out of an annual budget of $44,070..... Think about that. Imagine your spouse saying "we're not going back to work, the kids aren't getting their allowances, and no bills are getting paid until you give up the idea of spending $57 dollars to fence in our yard"..... This is what Pelosi and Schumer have halted the government for.

[thomorino]

Trump is asking for $5.7 Billion out of an annual budget of $4.407 Trillion........ Lets put that into perspective. Trump is asking for $57 dollars out of an annual budget of $44,070..... Think about that. Imagine your spouse saying "we're not going back to work, the kids aren't getting their allowances, and no bills are getting paid until you give up the idea of spending $57 dollars to fence in our yard"..... This is what Pelosi and Schumer have halted the government for.

The wall will save 5 billion dollars in the first month after its built, the cost is a joke.

[DwightShrute]

The wall will save 5 billion dollars in the first month after its built, the cost is a joke.

We just have to look around ... there are walls. They exist. They keep building them for a reason. They work. And yet, there are those willing to actually say they don't.

[Nitrogen]

Trump always made the wall a priority
.

You can easily search Trump's twitter feed. Until he ran for office, barely a peep about this "crisis" of no wall along the Southern border.

Same applies to SBR. You can go back close to a decade with some of the legacy posters. This "decades old problem" only became a hair-on-fire crisis when the pied piper of dumb Trump started using the wall (and that it wouldn't cost a dime because Mexico would pay) as his go to rally chant.

FFS - John Kelly even said as much in his exit interview, that the supposed crisis has always just been a political canard for Trump.

Oh...and FWIW - Trump was offered 20 billion previously for his wall as an exchange for a pathway for DACA folks to come out of the shadows and get a path to at least permanent residency.

He turned it down.

[thomorino]

You can easily search Trump's twitter feed. Until he ran for office, barely a peep about this "crisis" of no wall along the Southern border.

Same applies to SBR. You can go back close to a decade with some of the legacy posters. This "decades old problem" only became a hair-on-fire crisis when the pied piper of dumb Trump started using the wall (and that it wouldn't cost a dime because Mexico would pay) as his go to rally chant.

FFS - John Kelly even said as much in his exit interview, that the supposed crisis has always just been a political canard for Trump.

He was running a billion dollar real estate company, why he be tweeting about illegal immigration. Stupid comment.

[Nitrogen]

He was running a billion dollar real estate company, why he be tweeting about illegal immigration. Stupid comment.

LOL. He tweeted non stop about birth certificates and how the dropping unemployment numbers or rising stock market were all fake numbers (same metrics are used now, but now all those numbers are suddenly amazing according to him)

This guy got into twitter fights with celebs, found time to call out state and fed government all the time.

Spare me the "he was busy" bullshit.

If Trump suddenly became anti gun, pro socialist medicine, pro spending cuts for military, you clowns wouldn't think twice about following him.

There are people on here I am opposite of when it comes to politics etc (guitarjosh for one) - who, while I don't agree with them, I absolutely appreciate their opinion and understand they came to their own beliefs through their own life circumstance/education etc.

Folks like you, you're not the guy in tiananmen square waving his hands in front of the tank. You're the guy egging on the driver to mow him down because the dear leader says you should.

[Snowball]

I once bought Trump Entertainment stock when it was in the pennies,
it went completely under. He is no genius.

[thomorino]

LOL. He tweeted non stop about birth certificates and how the dropping unemployment numbers or rising stock market were all fake numbers (same metrics are used now, but now all those numbers are suddenly amazing according to him)

This guy got into twitter fights with celebs, found time to call out state and fed government all the time.

Spare me the "he was busy" bullshit.

He tweeted about some political issues in the past. Illegal immigration wasn't a big issue back in 2012 compared to now and Trump wasn't running for office or in a position of political leadership.

Everyone knows when interest rates are at zero it creates bubbles, the stock market is very different now because rates have risen and the US economy is much stronger than it was during the Obama years.

[thomorino]

I once bought Trump Entertainment stock when it was in the pennies,
it went completely under. He is no genius.

There's no doubt Trump made mistakes, but Trump entertainment largely represents Trump's Atlantic City properties from 40 years ago, Trump learned from those mistakes and built one of the best companies in America.

[Nitrogen]

Illegal immigration wasn't a big issue back in 2012 compared to now and Trump wasn't running for office or in a position of political leadership..

#1 - not being in "political leadership" never stopped him before from chiming in.
#2 - according to him and you guys, it's been a decades long crisis. You guys were all just waiting for Trump to come up with a catchy rally slogan before you actually gave a f1ck?

[Nitrogen]

I once bought Trump Entertainment stock when it was in the pennies,
it went completely under. He is no genius.

Stiffing contractors. Persona non grata at domestic banks. Some social circles cachet around New York, but beyond that, pretty much a punchline in the world of business and finance (that deposition he had to give when he sued the guy who wrote a book about him is pretty incredible)

Trump was basically irrelevant before Mark Burnett.

[HockeyRocks]

The wall will save 5 billion dollars in the first month after its built, the cost is a joke.

How so??

[thomorino]

How so??

The wall will keep illegal from coming to the border which will decrease holding costs, it will also keep drugs and people from coming accross the borders, both cost this country billions every year.

[DwightShrute]

You can easily search Trump's twitter feed. Until he ran for office, barely a peep about this "crisis" of no wall along the Southern border. So?

Same applies to SBR. You can go back close to a decade with some of the legacy posters. This "decades old problem" only became a hair-on-fire crisis when the pied piper of dumb Trump started using the wall (and that it wouldn't cost a dime because Mexico would pay) as his go to rally chant. Times change. After so many years of politicians declaring the need to do something on the southern borner and admitting a barrier is needed, Trump was the first to finally do something about it. It's getting worse. Not better. Catch and release was about as stupid a policy as sanctuary cities are. Politicians putting illegals ahead their own citizens. How is that allowed to even exist? Because, the MSM is an arm of the democratic party. Plain and simple.

Obama said Obamacare would lower premiums and you could keep your own doctor. Yet, you never mention his lies but never miss a fake news talking point that Trump said Mexico will pay for it. So? Mexico is paying for it indirectly with the new trade deal anyways. Ya it might also be a steel fence rather than a concrete wall. So?

FFS - John Kelly even said as much in his exit interview, that the supposed crisis has always just been a political canard for Trump.

Everyone on this planet knows walls work. Except a few radical sbr posters and the MSM is seems.

[thomorino]

Everyone on this planet knows walls work. Except a few radical sbr posters and the MSM is seems.

The same liberals who are crying about Trump not listening to the Generals on Syria and other military issues have refused to listen to border control for the last 20 years.

[HockeyRocks]

The wall will keep illegal from coming to the border which will decrease holding costs, it will also keep drugs and people from coming accross the borders, both cost this country billions every year.

Home Land Security and Dept of Justice have said most drugs enter the U.S. from mexico by boats, in air cargo, by car and overland by trucks....FACT..