[dante1]

That's the sad part about it. Something between 0.01 and 0.1% long-term winners but the global player bet365 with more than 20 mio customers worldwide and a founder who is a multi-billionaire is not able to handle 1 winner out of 1,000 or 10,000 players.

It's a shame.

didn't know that part, well I learned my lesson the hard way. gambling big doesn't pay off, I wager less now then I did decades ago. and that is when I didn't have the money, now I do. I realize at the end of most years I will be a loser, however, I have had a few decent years, not many but a few. you get hot in football and extremely lucky and you have a shot.

I noticed in my part of the country anyway that American players love foot, that is the number one sport we handled, then baskets mostly college followed by NBA, coming in last we had hockey and base. the irony is I believe IMO, baseball is the least difficult sport for the player to be successful in. when we lost a week it was almost always baseball. don't get me wrong you don't get handed money but IMO it was not as difficult as the other balls.

you know the book has all the advantages, the math, the vig, the stupid players, the chalk players, the gimmick players and every other advantage. how can a smart player win consistently and then you have complete idiots, people who don't realize the vig they are paying on gimmicks. people who can't do the math.

and how about football cards, OMG. I had a bookie friend who distributed football cards. Dear Jesus you have almost zero chance. Pick 4 winners and get 10 to one, and even that is not correct. You didn't get 10 to one you got back 100 on your 10, which included your original 10. then ties lose, you know how many ties it takes in a typical week to make a winning ticket extremely difficult. four or five ties and almost every ticket is a loser, especially if those ties are TV games.

then you have the asshole bookies who put out a minus 3 game, meaning whatever team you take must win by four. how about that for crazy, they don't have enough vig they need to make it even worse. I haven't seen cards in a long time so maybe that minus shit is over with.

[orange5]

didn't know that part, well I learned my lesson the hard way. gambling big doesn't pay off, I wager less now then I did decades ago. and that is when I didn't have the money, now I do. I realize at the end of most years I will be a loser, however, I have had a few decent years, not many but a few. you get hot in football and extremely lucky and you have a shot.

I noticed in my part of the country anyway that American players love foot, that is the number one sport we handled, then baskets mostly college followed by NBA, coming in last we had hockey and base. the irony is I believe IMO, baseball is the least difficult sport for the player to be successful in. when we lost a week it was almost always baseball. don't get me wrong you don't get handed money but IMO it was not as difficult as the other balls.

you know the book has all the advantages, the math, the vig, the stupid players, the chalk players, the gimmick players and every other advantage. how can a smart player win consistently and then you have complete idiots, people who don't realize the vig they are paying on gimmicks. people who can't do the math.

and how about football cards, OMG. I had a bookie friend who distributed football cards. Dear Jesus you have almost zero chance. Pick 4 winners and get 10 to one, and even that is not correct. You didn't get 10 to one you got back 100 on your 10, which included your original 10. then ties lose, you know how many ties it takes in a typical week to make a winning ticket extremely difficult. four or five ties and almost every ticket is a loser, especially if those ties are TV games.

then you have the asshole bookies who put out a minus 3 game, meaning whatever team you take must win by four. how about that for crazy, they don't have enough vig they need to make it even worse. I haven't seen cards in a long time so maybe that minus shit is over with.

Most places that take parlays count a 4-0-1 as winning a 4 game parlay.

[jjgold]

Bet for fun only or you will have miserable life

[lonnie55]

Bet for fun only or you will have miserable life

You like talking about things you know nothing about, don't you?

[jjgold]

Everyone loses

Guys in denial are compulsive gamblers

[aljack]

Everyone loses

Guys in denial are compulsive gamblers

I'm up 10k this year... It's not a problem if you are winning.

[lonnie55]

Everyone loses

Guys in denial are compulsive gamblers

[dante1]

Most places that take parlays count a 4-0-1 as winning a 4 game parlay.

we never took more than a three-team round robin.

unless you are writing about internet books if so I didn't know that. however, it is seldom I play a 5 team parlay with a chance of 1-32 it is a little stupid. I do sometimes play around with a few dollars on multi-team parlays but not often. I think in all my years playing I might have hit one parlay of more than 5 teams, yeah just one. the odds are so incredibly against you, you need to be crazy to play them every night or for more than a few dollars.

[Optional]

JayVegas and Aljack are correct.

There are plenty of winning players at Bet365.

I've spoken to quite a few people with complaints and large balances and who claim to be overall winners.

It's definitely not about simply winning a few bets there. Not anymore these days at least.



And as far as it "getting worse recently", that's 100% definitely not correct.

A few years back posts and complaints about Bet365 limiting were regular. I'd defy you to find even 3 threads started to complain about it in the last 3 years.

[Mediterranean]

Yeah, but Denise Coates still pays herself 3x the salary of Tim Cook.

That's why we need a minimum bet rule in every country. Books have to accept winning players as well as they welcome losing players.

Exactly my point mate.

Also something off topic but I reckon it's an interesting dispute towards business standards maybe

https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news...etfred-dispute

[cricketer]

Their weekly loyalty bonus is good. They earn most of their revenue through live betting, many deposit for the live action and lose.

[jjgold]

I live in PA and already 1 William Hill Book here

Not good

[dante1]

JayVegas and Aljack are correct.

There are plenty of winning players at Bet365.

I've spoken to quite a few people with complaints and large balances and who claim to be overall winners.

It's definitely not about simply winning a few bets there. Not anymore these days at least.



And as far as it "getting worse recently", that's 100% definitely not correct.

A few years back posts and complaints about Bet365 limiting were regular. I'd defy you to find even 3 threads started to complain about it in the last 3 years.

I absolutely believe the above, I had no problems at all with 365 for the short time I was with them. I would join again in a heartbeat

[dante1]

I live in PA and already 1 William Hill Book here

Not good

I thought you lived in NJ JJ????

[jjgold]

Dante no..had to live

Issues with neighbors

Boundary WAR

[dante1]

Dante no..had to live

Issues with neighbors

Boundary WAR

I get it my friend, hope you are happy now. neighbor problems are very bad, you need to do everything in your power to get along with those you live near. it is not beyond some crazy people to resort to violence with neighbors, it happens all the time.

plus mortgage and house payments much less in PA than in NJ. My kids purchased a house for over 1/2 million that would cost less than 350,000 in most PA cities.

be well

[jjgold]

Get to PA

Beautiful here

[Ruifgalmeida]

Diferent countries different rules, but 365 a very scared book, beat them on their best line twice and your out the door

[dante1]

Get to PA

Beautiful here

lived all my life in PA, jj. well most of my life, out of state for service, out of state for some education.

[jjgold]

Dante where are you now?

[lonnie55]

Diferent countries different rules, but 365 a very scared book, beat them on their best line twice and your out the door

Yeah, they do not even keep the players that lose in the long run but not enough. They want the hardcore gamblers. If you give them only the slightest hint of being a sharp, even if you're not, they will boot you instantly. b365 invests a lot of money in an algorithm whose only job is to identify 'inefficient players' as early as possible.

[Demonata]

I thought bet365 didn't allow usa members?

[jjgold]

Bet365 does not allow USA players

A bunch of idiots in this thread

[Gian2015]

Bet365 does not allow USA players

A bunch of idiots in this thread

1) I was the one that opened the thread and my info are that Bet365 has already ask for a license in NJ. I didn't insult you, as you do (idiots... of course you include the one that opened this thread)
2) I asked if there is anyone with experience out there with Bet365. The simple answer could have been NO, if noone has any experience.
3) Sorry for bothering you, I will not open any other thread.
4) And for your pleasure, ONE CASINO in NJ already works with Bet365 as a background. Just to inform you... And soon there will be a Bet365 app.

Thanks for calling me an idiot.
Take care all of you, sorry for the inconvience.

[jjgold]

Thread misleading

Bet365 is not for USA players

It is only 1 state and a legal book , people are thinking anyone can sign up with uk website and you cannot

[Al Masters]

Bet365 in a nutshell..

Impossible to bet baseball 20cent lines.

Betting live most lines look like this

Team A -120 Team B -120 very tough lines.

Teasers awful..only options 7 point max and expensive.

Hockey lines avg 10c more then pinny.

Often leave out team totals in NCAA football.

All football nfl/ncaa -110 lines.

2 team parlays at -110 pay 264.. that’s good.

You will always be paid and quickly.

English speaking person if you need to call them.

Quick to limit.. be smart throw a few
horse bets in once in awhile and a parlay here and there.

Impossible to use as your main out
Use as an add on.

If you bet soccer..every league you
can imagine is available.

Very tough joint to beat in the end!

[jjgold]

Why do you think bet365 makes more money than any book in world??

Well its not because you can win there

[Optional]

Why do you think bet365 makes more money than any book in world??

Well its not because you can win there

Because they offered a modern website that worked first.

They invested in live betting when no one else would and set the standard all others are still measured by.

And more than anything else, because the average joe bettor who only has one book will choose them above all others many times more often then the next most popular book.


Pinny has always been head and shoulders above all other pro books.

Bet365 is the same to rec books IMHO. Which is tougher to achieve I think.

They are amazing as a business study.

Denise Coates amazing too. If she can build a legal business from scratch to make this much money, dayum girl, take that million bucks a day 365 days a year for yourself as far as I am concerned.

UK govt needs to change the bookmaker rules if they don't like them, or her earning that much.

[lonnie55]

Why do you think bet365 makes more money than any book in world??

Well its not because you can win there

Of course you can win there. It's as easy as nowhere else. Soft lines and huge mistakes all the day. Every kind of market you can imagine. Big limits live, even on lower level leagues.

The problem with that is: you would need a fresh account every 3 days.

[rodneytrotter]

Why do you think bet365 makes more money than any book in world??

The easy answer to that is CHINA


He who dares...


or maybe - She who dares...

[dante1]

Dante where are you now?

NE Pa.

[jjgold]

Dante how far from Allentown?

[dante1]

Dante how far from Allentown?

my doctors are in Lehigh Valley Complex, about 1.5 hours. Even thinking about moving to either Allentown PA, or Flemington NJ.

[jjgold]

Ok let me know after Jan 1st if your ever close, I will buy you lunch man

[dante1]

Ok let me know after Jan 1st if your ever close, I will buy you lunch man

good deal