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    Best Handicapping Tracking Site?

    Does anyone have a good tracking site they use? Currently looking for one and nothing is coming off as that appealing

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    what're you looking to track?

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    none of those sites track the right thing including pickmonitor, win, loss, roi, bet size, and whatever else are useless stats. Create a google sheet and track your opening line, bet line and closing line that is ALL you need, nothing else matters.

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    I agree but the trolls see an excel sheet and automatically think it's fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danshan11 View Post
    none of those sites track the right thing including pickmonitor, win, loss, roi, bet size, and whatever else are useless stats. Create a google sheet and track your opening line, bet line and closing line that is ALL you need, nothing else matters.
    Pick Monitor has a BTCL metric (beat closing line %).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    Pick Monitor has a BTCL metric (beat closing line %).
    what lines do they use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danshan11 View Post
    what lines do they use?
    I think it varies by sport. Probably best to pose that question there.

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    I did a week ago, they still have not answered and they were super vague about line value, talking about a Z value

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    lol@following someone else

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    I dont get it?

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    The old website The Sports Monitor of Oklahoma is at worst fraudulent, likely inflates cappers records by 4-5%, often inflates many cappers 2-3%, and in some cases may have a correct record. Its fraudulent if some are paying for wins. I have no proof of that but some practices appear suspect and that theory has been floating around that it may be the case. But one can inflate their record without outright fraud by gaming the system. First, TSM inflates records a great deal by taking the best line of the day. Also, TSM inflates records because very often they won't get plays for what they claim are technical problems or just incompetence. Winners will contact them to get their winners counted while losers can choose whether or not to correct their records. Apparently this happens often. If one understands how this happens one could game the system even further by encouraging it to happen more. Avoid 2 losers and boost your record 2%, easy. Finally, on the website it only shows the winners. Meanwhile some claim that TSM monitored them fairly. I would agree this could be the case if the handicapper chooses not to game the system, but I think in those instances its not so much TSM monitoring the player as the player monitoring TSM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danshan11 View Post
    none of those sites track the right thing including pickmonitor, win, loss, roi, bet size, and whatever else are useless stats. Create a google sheet and track your opening line, bet line and closing line that is ALL you need, nothing else matters.
    ROI doesn't matter, eh? You better believe it does after thousands of picks. Try buying a car with CLV..

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    The BTCL metric at Pick Monitor attempts to measure the pct time that your line was better than the closing line (even by 1 cent). Not ideal, of course, but potentially still some informational value over a large sample.

    Unfort....they have been using 5 Dimes lines for a few years (Pinny cut them off) and the non-reduced to reduced juice changeovers in most sports mess up the BTCL stat. So...PM is not currently a great site to track beating the close. They do allow you to download CSV files of any users' picks, which can then be massaged into showing true CLV.

    On the plus side, the site is fully legit -- any errors are strictly feed errors and not attempts to inflate records. Also, they are about to switch back to Pinnacle lines for all sports, which will be better across the board, but esp. for measuring closing line value.

    No, I don't work them, but I've used the site for 7 years, and it's a great alternative to typing into a spreadsheet every day IMO. I hope they continue to improve and add a realistic CLV stat, among other things. We'll see.

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    How did this get moved from Think Tank to Players Talk? It's about sites that allow you to collect stats on your betting performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsty View Post
    lol@following someone else
    I don't think that's the case, I think this has more to do with tracking one's own performance using metrics that are unique to Pick Monitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrakuda View Post
    The BTCL metric at Pick Monitor attempts to measure the pct time that your line was better than the closing line (even by 1 cent). Not ideal, of course, but potentially still some informational value over a large sample.

    Unfort....they have been using 5 Dimes lines for a few years (Pinny cut them off) and the non-reduced to reduced juice changeovers in most sports mess up the BTCL stat. So...PM is not currently a great site to track beating the close. They do allow you to download CSV files of any users' picks, which can then be massaged into showing true CLV.

    On the plus side, the site is fully legit -- any errors are strictly feed errors and not attempts to inflate records. Also, they are about to switch back to Pinnacle lines for all sports, which will be better across the board, but esp. for measuring closing line value.

    No, I don't work them, but I've used the site for 7 years, and it's a great alternative to typing into a spreadsheet every day IMO. I hope they continue to improve and add a realistic CLV stat, among other things. We'll see.
    Pinnacle lines are live for Tennis definitely and possibly for Soccer also. I think their ultimate goal is to use Pinny for most markets and 5 Dimes for UFC and other sports where 5 Dimes has more to offer.

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    I donít know what the value was looking at those sites?

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    these sites dont help bettors, they help touts because you can create a 100 accounts make a zillion picks and by variance some will do well and the ones that do they scream in the wind "look look how good I am " and they use this as 3rd party documentation that they are winners! You cant buy a car with CLV and you can with winners but unfortunately without line value you probably better save that money and use it to cover the variance that is coming!

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    Blitz Predict!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by danshan11 View Post
    these sites dont help bettors, they help touts because you can create a 100 accounts make a zillion picks and by variance some will do well and the ones that do they scream in the wind "look look how good I am " and they use this as 3rd party documentation that they are winners! You cant buy a car with CLV and you can with winners but unfortunately without line value you probably better save that money and use it to cover the variance that is coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by danshan11 View Post
    these sites dont help bettors, they help touts because you can create a 100 accounts make a zillion picks and by variance some will do well and the ones that do they scream in the wind "look look how good I am " and they use this as 3rd party documentation that they are winners! You cant buy a car with CLV and you can with winners but unfortunately without line value you probably better save that money and use it to cover the variance that is coming!
    But what about guys that have no interest in following anyone and merely want to track their own performance? If PM gets the BTCL metric down pat, it becomes a valuable tracking tool while taking away need for a spreadsheet.

    And as an aside, I have seen PM ban members with multiple accounts so they track those sorts of shenanigans.

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    These tracking sites are all easy to get around for touts - they have a losing year, they just change their name or moniker and start tracking with a new name. Why so many touts have so many websites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    But what about guys that have no interest in following anyone and merely want to track their own performance? If PM gets the BTCL metric down pat, it becomes a valuable tracking tool while taking away need for a spreadsheet.

    And as an aside, I have seen PM ban members with multiple accounts so they track those sorts of shenanigans.
    spreadsheet is the absolute best way to track the exact metrics you want. I honestly dont think there is a real market for CLV trackers, not many think it matters to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danshan11 View Post
    spreadsheet is the absolute best way to track the exact metrics you want. I honestly dont think there is a real market for CLV trackers, not many think it matters to be honest.
    It depends on the value of your time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    These tracking sites are all easy to get around for touts - they have a losing year, they just change their name or moniker and start tracking with a new name. Why so many touts have so many websites.
    That's why you shouldn't ever take a short term record (less than a couple years) seriously at a tracking site. Ignore those and pay attention to the long-term, huge-sample winners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsty View Post
    lol@following someone else
    Pick tracking sites aren't for you, my man. They reveal true skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    I don't think that's the case, I think this has more to do with tracking one's own performance using metrics that are unique to Pick Monitor.
    Monitoring picks becomes near impossible once you get past 20 picks a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrakuda View Post
    Pick tracking sites aren't for you, my man. They reveal true skill.
    lol no they don't

    only how much money you make reveals "true" skill

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    Anyone believes those sites are very very gullible

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Anyone believes those sites are very very gullible
    You're right. Much better to trust people tracking their own records on SBR's MLB forum. LOL.

    What exactly are you adding to this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsty View Post
    lol no they don't

    only how much money you make reveals "true" skill
    You wouldn't last a month on PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrakuda View Post
    You wouldn't last a month on PM
    What does that even mean? lol

    Why do shills like you try this hard?

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    Monitoring sites are scam. They pimp out multiple services that they own themselves with fake records.

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