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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    This was before pop sent ginobli and Parker after him
    Sharp.
    The impetus of Leonard's movement. Pop misread him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2daBank View Post
    They have about as much chance to win the east as the do resigning him, as in next to zero.

    Craptors are perpetual also-rans.
    They will never catch the Celtics and after this upcoming season
    look for the Knicks to make major moves.

    Remember it's a Canadian NBA team.
    Igloo Toronto, Ontario

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE_LOCKSMITH View Post
    wow, why would the Raptors do this. Seems he's headed to LA after next year anyway
    It’s a weird trade, but most likely you either convince Leonard to stay (not likely) or realize the DeRozan combo wasn’t going further then ceiling it reached and you get out of his deal, and rebuild.

    Odd they didn’t give it one more go around with Lebron, their mental block out of the east

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluehorseshoe View Post
    Now if only there was another team in L.A. to play for.......
    That's it, Leonard has boxed himself into a corner. If he wants to play in LA and doesn't want to play with Lebron, why would the Clips need to offer top dollar? If he doesn't play close to his old level or does the wounded diva act this season, would they risk big money or a long term deal?

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    Per Zack Lowe at ESPN

    Philadelphia's potential package of Robert Covington, Dario Saric, and the Heat's unprotected 2021 pick didn't move the needle. It's unclear if the Spurs had interest in Markelle Fultz; the two sides never discussed him seriously, and the Sixers would not have parted with him, sources say. The Spurs made it clear any deal with Philly would require Ben Simmons or Joel Embiid (likely Simmons), and the Sixers weren't going anywhere near that, league sources say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uscphillyguy View Post
    per zack lowe at espn

    philadelphia's potential package of robert covington, dario saric, and the heat's unprotected 2021 pick didn't move the needle. It's unclear if the spurs had interest in markelle fultz; the two sides never discussed him seriously, and the sixers would not have parted with him, sources say. The spurs made it clear any deal with philly would require ben simmons or joel embiid (likely simmons), and the sixers weren't going anywhere near that, league sources say.
    laughable-

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    Quote Originally Posted by USCPHILLYGUY View Post
    Per Zack Lowe at ESPN

    Philadelphia's potential package of Robert Covington, Dario Saric, and the Heat's unprotected 2021 pick didn't move the needle. It's unclear if the Spurs had interest in Markelle Fultz; the two sides never discussed him seriously, and the Sixers would not have parted with him, sources say. The Spurs made it clear any deal with Philly would require Ben Simmons or Joel Embiid (likely Simmons), and the Sixers weren't going anywhere near that, league sources say.
    Covington or Saric arent or never will be 20 PPG scorers.....this is what the Spurs wanted in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regul8er View Post
    Covington or Saric arent or never will be 20 PPG scorers.....this is what the Spurs wanted in return.
    Your post would make sense if they only offered 1 of those players. They offered both (saric 14 ppg Covington 12). Spurs aren’t going anywhere and to also get an unprotected #1 in a year that HS players can also come out?

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    Sixers can not beat Toronto if Leonard is fully back - Danny green ain’t no scrub either -

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    Ya, but Derozan pretty much covers both of those totals by himself, lol

    Were not talking about a combo that gets to 20PPG, were talking one player who gets there. Derozan fits that bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USCPHILLYGUY View Post
    Your post would make sense if they only offered 1 of those players. They offered both (saric 14 ppg Covington 12). Spurs aren’t going anywhere and to also get an unprotected #1 in a year that HS players can also come out?
    Both those guys can not score like derozan

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    From what I hear, San ANtonio made it very clear to all bidders what they wanted in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    Both those guys can not score like derozan
    have not watched much Toronto b-ball so will take your word for it.

    Id be shocked if he re signs w a team he’s openly said he would not play for.

    An unprotected #1 pick is an unprotected #1 pick

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    Toronto fans should be happy about this trade? Backcourt of Lowry/derozan wasn’t getting anywhere !! 2 small and plays no defense - just added 2 guys in Leonard/green that can play elite defense on the wings and create there own shots

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    Quote Originally Posted by USCPHILLYGUY View Post
    have not watched much Toronto b-ball so will take your word for it.

    Id be shocked if he re signs w a team he’s openly said he would not play for.

    An unprotected #1 pick is an unprotected #1 pick
    1 year is a long time fella - nobody thought Paul George would stay in OKC? - bottom line - Toronto is a better team right now-

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    Toronto fans should be happy about this trade? Backcourt of Lowry/derozan wasn’t getting anywhere !! 2 small and plays no defense - just added 2 guys in Leonard/green that can play elite defense on the wings and create there own shots
    danny green create own shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtoler View Post
    danny green create own shot?
    Guess I should say decent shooter - leonard can create his own shots

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    1 year is a long time fella - nobody thought Paul George would stay in OKC? - bottom line - Toronto is a better team right now-
    guy gets called into the GMs office in December & they tell him “we want you to be the face of the raptors for life. Like Kobe was to L. A.” 7 months later traded. I’m sure any player on the roster has any faith in management. Let’s not even talk about the reining coach of the year.

    Id be shocked if he wasn’t gone by the trading deadline. No way he resigns.

    Spurs deal of the century

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    Toronto fans should be happy about this trade? Backcourt of Lowry/derozan wasn’t getting anywhere !! 2 small and plays no defense - just added 2 guys in Leonard/green that can play elite defense on the wings and create there own shots
    Don't know how happy Rap fans are going to be



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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadtrip635 View Post
    Don't know how happy Rap fans are going to be

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kawhi Leonard has no desire to play in Toronto, league source tells ESPN.</p>&mdash; Chris Haynes (@ChrisBHaynes) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1019500916880240640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >July 18, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    League sources always right ? Sure it’s a risk - they wasn’t winning with derozan

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    Quote Originally Posted by USCPHILLYGUY View Post
    guy gets called into the GMs office in December & they tell him “we want you to be the face of the raptors for life. Like Kobe was to L. A.” 7 months later traded. I’m sure any player on the roster has any faith in management. Let’s not even talk about the reining coach of the year.

    Id be shocked if he wasn’t gone by the trading deadline. No way he resigns.

    Spurs deal of the century
    It’s a business man ? Seen teams do this before - Let’s say Toronto makes the finals - and they get to dump derozan contract

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    Canadian teams should not be allowed in the NBA, or MLB for that matter. They don't play in the NFL do they???? And their hockey teams suck.
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    Wr all know Golden State and Boston Celtics are going to be in the finals why even pay attention to anything

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    What would you set the o/u on games Kawhi plays during the regular season?

    I'd have to say 60. You figure he's going to get a dozen rest days, mostly on back to backs. Can he go a whole season without getting baanged up after stting out most of 2017/18? If he does get nicked up, do you think he's gonna hurry back or sit till he feels like he's good?

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    Raptors need to show Leonard and his uncle around Toronto? Especially the notorious strip clubs

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    Lol

    Will he like cold weather

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    Well I'm placing future on Raptors winning the East. Toronto just pulled a Cleveland and are odds on favorites to make the finals.
    Demar too toxic and he was never going to come back after the benching in the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtoler View Post
    danny green create own shot?
    Not even if a shot was a pop tart or microwave dinner

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    Make no mistake, this is a pit stop for Kawhi but Toronto made it loud and clear to their fan base that being the Houston Rockets is worthless

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    Make no mistake, this is a pit stop for Kawhi but Toronto made it loud and clear to their fan base that being the Houston Rockets is worthless
    They needed to move on from DeRozan regardless,I see alot of these Raps fans are bitching that he deserved loyalty,their fine with being losers aslong as a guys nice to them.

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    When it comes to Kawhi, this is one of those "be careful what you wish for because you just might get it" situations. He wanted a trade and he got one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    When it comes to Kawhi, this is one of those "be careful what you wish for because you just might get it" situations. He wanted a trade and he got one.
    I wonder how much Uncle Dennis's advise is going to cost Kawhi in the long run? No supermax offer and now there's a risk that if he can't perform this year, his next offer is going to be even less than expected. I wouldn't expect too many companies rushing to sign Kawhi to endorsement deals this year and sitting out last season surely cost him some opportunities. He'll be losing a little more money this season due to taxes moving from Texas to Canada.

    He's said it's not about the money and is proving it, but how long until his family leeches him dry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadtrip635 View Post
    I wonder how much Uncle Dennis's advise is going to cost Kawhi in the long run? No supermax offer and now there's a risk that if he can't perform this year, his next offer is going to be even less than expected. I wouldn't expect too many companies rushing to sign Kawhi to endorsement deals this year and sitting out last season surely cost him some opportunities. He'll be losing a little more money this season due to taxes moving from Texas to Canada.

    He's said it's not about the money and is proving it, but how long until his family leeches him dry?
    He doesn't care about endorsements. If he did, he would have cashed in after winning finals mvp. He wants to play ball and live a low key life.

    Trade works for both teams. Spurs get a very good player in DeRozan who should improve under Pop. Toronto gets a top 5 player to make a finals push. If Leonard doesn't like Toronto they can do a sign and trade next offseason and get some assets back. Either way, the Raptors roster prior to this deal was not good enough to win a title. Getting DeRozan's deal off the books was a win for them as well.

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    WOjo has reported that Kawhi is warming up to the idea of playing in Toronto.....and that he is healthy, passed physical and will be reporting for the start of camp. He has a press conference scheduled for Friday.

    Music to my ears!

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