1. 03-24-18 01:17 PM #1
    t-wizzle
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    Why isn’t Loyola favored?

    Don’t the advanced stats suggest they should be a slight fave?
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  2. 03-24-18 01:25 PM #2
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    K-State is simply way too average to make the final four here. And they’re a team that cannot fully take advantage of Loyola’s lack of size. Loyola in a good spot here IMO.
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  3. 03-24-18 01:27 PM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by t-wizzle View Post
    Don’t the advanced stats suggest they should be a slight fave?
    I have no opinion on who is the better team... but assuming you are correct and loyola is the better team for this game... the answer is purely in public perception. It is the oddsmakers duty to find a balance in public opinion, NOT to find the true score differential
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  4. 03-24-18 01:44 PM #4
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    Anyone got the Kenpom on this game? I also expected Loyola to be favored.
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  5. 03-24-18 01:59 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by magaman View Post
    I have no opinion on who is the better team... but assuming you are correct and loyola is the better team for this game... the answer is purely in public perception. It is the oddsmakers duty to find a balance in public opinion, NOT to find the true score differential
    You’re absolutely right. Now having said that don’t you think the public will be all over Loyola regardless of the line?
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  6. 03-24-18 02:02 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by t-wizzle View Post
    You’re absolutely right. Now having said that don’t you think the public will be all over Loyola regardless of the line?
    what? You just contradicted my statement. Oddsmakers made K-st the chalk because of public perception.... so NO, public will not be all over loyola... are you missing a chromosome?
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  7. 03-24-18 02:15 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by magaman View Post
    what? You just contradicted my statement. Oddsmakers made K-st the chalk because of public perception.... so NO, public will not be all over loyola... are you missing a chromosome?
    Yep I’m missing a chromosome. Says the maga guy. Lol.

    Loyola is the public darling. If you don’t realize that then you’re not paying attention.
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  8. 03-24-18 02:16 PM #8
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    For the most part I agree with Wiz. General public will look at two weak seeds and take the side of the popular cinderella team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRIT View Post
    Anyone got the Kenpom on this game? I also expected Loyola to be favored.
    Loyola 64 K State 63

    50%
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  10. 03-24-18 02:22 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRIT View Post
    For the most part I agree with Wiz. General public will look at two weak seeds and take the side of the popular cinderella team.
    Did books have this in mind when they made them +1 and not -1?
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  11. 03-24-18 02:25 PM #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by t-wizzle View Post
    Yep I’m missing a chromosome. Says the maga guy. Lol.

    Loyola is the public darling. If you don’t realize that then you’re not paying attention.
    I told you I have no opinion on this game.... but obviously you do. You want to take a shot at me, that's cool - I take that crap every day.

    I'm just telling you that the public favors K-st
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  12. 03-24-18 02:53 PM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by t-wizzle View Post
    Yep I’m missing a chromosome. Says the maga guy. Lol.

    Loyola is the public darling. If you don’t realize that then you’re not paying attention.
    Look that Sister Jean thing was a nice feel good story but this is another day. KSt has talented physical aggressiveness. Stepping up on def may be a key here. Can't say I know for sure but KState is going to make the Ramblers pay for every basket. If KState can control the paint as well they have a chance. Easily see this as a one basket finish.
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  13. 03-24-18 03:00 PM #13
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    Kan St strong defense
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  14. 03-24-18 03:01 PM #14
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    K State I would think is favored more by the general public

    Same like Nevada,Tennessee and Miami were

    I'm on Loyola personally, like the under too kinda but staying away
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    Vegasinsider:
    Loyola Chicago 33%
    Kansas State 67%

    Oddsshark:
    Loyola Chicago 49%
    Kansas State 51%

    cant find the link for SBRodds consensus info...
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    Here com s the K state money
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    Im on Loyola ML myself... GL
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  18. 03-24-18 03:27 PM #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by magaman View Post
    I told you I have no opinion on this game.... but obviously you do. You want to take a shot at me, that's cool - I take that crap every day.

    I'm just telling you that the public favors K-st
    Lol what? You literally took a shot at me questioning whether I’m missing a chromosome.
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  19. 03-24-18 03:28 PM #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOM_Toretto View Post
    Vegasinsider:
    Loyola Chicago 33%
    Kansas State 67%

    Oddsshark:
    Loyola Chicago 49%
    Kansas State 51%

    cant find the link for SBRodds consensus info...
    Those %’s are to be taken with a grain of salt. I wouldn’t be surprised if the action was split for rec bettors but I think a lot of people are riding the Loyola train.
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  20. 03-24-18 03:31 PM #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by t-wizzle View Post
    Those %’s are to be taken with a grain of salt. I wouldn’t be surprised if the action was split for rec bettors but I think a lot of people are riding the Loyola train.
    Haven’t seen one bit of information to think that the majority of people are riding the Loyola train
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  21. 03-24-18 03:34 PM #21
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    Took Loyola for as JJ would say eight eighty, eight eighty fukkin firm pal!
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  22. 03-24-18 03:35 PM #22
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    Got em at +1.5 too. Good spot
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  23. 03-24-18 03:35 PM #23
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    Lets get this shit BrickJ
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  24. 03-24-18 03:40 PM #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by HurryUpAndDrink View Post
    Lets get this shit BrickJ
    Yeah buddy
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  25. 03-24-18 03:42 PM #25
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    I went ahead and picked up Loyola on the moneyline.

    I have them winning 65-63 and am rolling with my numbers.

    My non predictive public gauge, a weighted amalgam of the publicly consumed ratings combined with recent performance, has K State winning by one point.

    While Loyola seems to be a public darling, as was mentioned, it is my opinion that they really aren't when it comes to the base of backers that K State brings with them. Tournament or not, there's just too much of an established economy with K State and it's fringes that won't be deterred.

    That may not be "market moving" money, but it is most certainly market support.

    Good Luck everyone.

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  26. 03-24-18 03:43 PM #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOM_Toretto View Post
    Haven’t seen one bit of information to think that the majority of people are riding the Loyola train
    Depends how reliable you think the info is. I judge these things based off feel.
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  27. 03-24-18 03:46 PM #27
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    Loyola has lucked out 3 games in a row by very small margins. I think K State handles them tonight.
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  28. 03-24-18 03:48 PM #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plaza23 View Post
    Loyola has lucked out 3 games in a row by very small margins. I think K State handles them tonight.
    Don’t think they lucked out at all last game. Clearly they were better than Nevada. No games were “lucky.”
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  29. 03-24-18 04:14 PM #29
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    I would guess public is pretty split, not that it really matters.
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  30. 03-24-18 04:22 PM #30
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    Public loves Loyola. Ton of public money on Loyola. If they lose bookies are having a party.
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  31. 03-24-18 04:33 PM #31
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    relax twiz... I took a shot at you because you are trying to defy logic


    You have an opinion on this game? great make a bet. I don't argue

    good luck
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    my gut says K-state wins in a landslide
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  33. 03-24-18 04:35 PM #33
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    i have a feeling this is going be an ugly game
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  34. 03-24-18 04:44 PM #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by magaman View Post
    relax twiz... I took a shot at you because you are trying to defy logic


    You have an opinion on this game? great make a bet. I don't argue

    good luck
    “Defy logic.” Lol. You’re a beaut.
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  35. 03-24-18 04:48 PM #35
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    ok i'm a beaut

    K St -3.5 +133 alt line


    enjoy the game
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