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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    And when lebron plays with someone great like kyrie ? He runs him out of town - don’t act like it’s easy to play with lebron -
    Numerous players have come out and said how great of a person LBJ is, how he's a great teammate that always interacted well with the other players.

    You think because Kyrie left that LBJ ran him out of town, but you don't understand the simple concept that correlation =/= causation. You have no clue why Kryie left

    When you play with Lebron then you can act like you know something

    Here's a quote from Kyrie when he left Cleveland

    "The superstar point guard was asked about LeBron James and said that he has not spoken to him, but gave him props for “incorporating me into that special team that we had in Cleveland” and that playing with him was “awesome.”



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kraken View Post
    Numerous players have come out and said how great of a person LBJ is, how he's a great teammate that always interacted well with the other players.

    You think because Kyrie left that LBJ ran him out of town, but you don't understand the simple concept that correlation =/= causation. You have no clue why Kryie left

    When you play with Lebron then you can act like you know something
    Lebron didnít ask the Cavs to trade kyrie for Chris Paul after winning the championship in 2016?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlunc3 View Post
    I agree both were obviously great. I just don’t like the “Jordan won more titles” argument bc I think lebron wins the same amount if he played for the the same teams. Still too early to really have the debate though, as lebron has plenty left in the tank
    At 33 this year he had his highest rebound and assists average of his career and highest scoring avg. in 9 years, and played the most games of his career, a full season all 82 games, thats crazy to me. Could prob play till 40 if he really wanted to, would probably own just about every record then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    Lebron didn’t ask the Cavs to trade kyrie for Chris Paul after winning the championship in 2016?
    It's possible but there are two sides saying opposite things, Im guessing neither of us knows.

    But I will say regardless, I can see both sides. If LBJ did lobby for him to be traded for CP3 I can understand that. For one, it's a business. That's part of it. CP3 is probably the best pure pg in the biz

    If Im Kyrie, it cuts deep. But I never heard about any other beef or that Kyrie didn't like playing with LBJ, he just felt disrespected that LBJ wanted CP3

    But again, I don't know how it went down

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    Nobody in there right mind would take Chris Paul over a younger kyrie thatís prove to be clutch like no other player in the nba !! Thatís exactly what went down and the reason kyrie is gone - cavs front office turn the trade down

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kraken View Post
    It's possible but there are two sides saying opposite things, Im guessing neither of us knows.
    But I will say regardless, I can see both sides. If LBJ did lobby for him to be traded for CP3 I can understand that. For one, it's a business. That's part of it. CP3 is probably the best pure pg in the biz
    If Im Kyrie, it cuts deep. But I never heard about any other beef or that Kyrie didn't like playing with LBJ, he just felt disrespected that LBJ wanted CP3
    But again, I don't know how it went down
    that architect behind Kyrie leaving Cleveland was Kobe. Irving have had a personal correspondence for years.. after the 2016 Finals.. Kobe convinced Kyrie that it was his Mamba Mindset that propelled Cavs in that series.. Cavs do not win that series without both playing extremely well.

    I feel LeBron made mistake by owning the parade ceremony and holding the microphone for the entire event. That was too indulgent. But for Kyrie to think that he would be in that same position to take the incredible winning shot without Lebron helping him get there is also 'indulgent'.

    I do think the Lebrun will win another Ring.. and i think it is possible that Kyrie does not. Kobe convinced Kyrie that his greatness will only be cemented by leaving Cleveland. This would be like Pippen leaving Chicago. Kobe was trying to protect hi Ring-count over Lebron, by sabotaging his team.

    years from now, when Kyrie is able to speak more freely, this will come out.

    i do feel that Kyrie doubts the decision now, and will come to see it as a great mistake later on in his career. If LeBron goes on to win another Ring (anywhere) and Kyrie does not, he will see it the worst decision he ever made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratzz View Post
    that architect behind Kyrie leaving Cleveland was Kobe. Irving have had a personal correspondence for years.. after the 2016 Finals.. Kobe convinced Kyrie that it was his Mamba Mindset that propelled Cavs in that series.. Cavs do not win that series without both playing extremely well.

    I feel LeBron made mistake by owning the parade ceremony and holding the microphone for the entire event. That was too indulgent. But for Kyrie to think that he would be in that same position to take the incredible winning shot without Lebron helping him get there is also 'indulgent'.

    I do think the Lebrun will win another Ring.. and i think it is possible that Kyrie does not. Kobe convinced Kyrie that his greatness will only be cemented by leaving Cleveland. This would be like Pippen leaving Chicago. Kobe was trying to protect hi Ring-count over Lebron, by sabotaging his team.

    years from now, when Kyrie is able to speak more freely, this will come out.

    i do feel that Kyrie doubts the decision now, and will come to see it as a great mistake later on in his career. If LeBron goes on to win another Ring (anywhere) and Kyrie does not, he will see it the worst decision he ever made.
    What you said is correct- but lebron did ask the Cavs to trade Kryie for cp3 after winning the championship in 2016 that is where the bad blood started

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    Kyrie is probly the most lethal offensive player in the NBA-

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    Kyrie is probly the most lethal offensive player in the NBA-
    Step Curry still is when healthy..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    What you said is correct- but lebron did ask the Cavs to trade Kryie for cp3 after winning the championship in 2016 that is where the bad blood started
    if that is true.. that is terrible behavior by Lebron.. Kyrie is a helluva lot more clutch than CP3.

    i really do not feel like Cavs win that series with CP3 and Lebron.
    I would pick Kyrie over CP3 any day.

    why would Lebron do that..? he knows better than that.. is that absolutely true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    Kyrie is probly the most lethal offensive player in the NBA-
    what makes him great (on top of incredible skills) is that he never waits for everyone to get set up..
    (which is a huge mistake) when the offense is set up, so is the defense..

    the defense is most vulnerable when no one has set up yet, on either side

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    Nobody in there right mind would take Chris Paul over a younger kyrie that’s prove to be clutch like no other player in the nba !! That’s exactly what went down and the reason kyrie is gone - cavs front office turn the trade down
    I tend to agree but statistically the two are nearly identical. Kyrie gets a few more points/game, CP3 gets a skosh more Reb/Assists/Steals per game and has a tiny bit less TO's

    But Kyrie has shown to come up huge in big games

    I'll concede this one to you, I think you're right

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    What you said is correct- but lebron did ask the Cavs to trade Kryie for cp3 after winning the championship in 2016 that is where the bad blood started
    Has anyone confirmed it? Last I heard it was Kyrie was saying LBJ was behind it but that was it. In all fairness, Kyrie would probably know

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kraken View Post
    Has anyone confirmed it? Last I heard it was Kyrie was saying LBJ was behind it but that was it. In all fairness, Kyrie would probably know
    Plenty inside trade talks that never get leak- this one was some how leak and eventually Kryie wanted out

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    GSW turn down Paul George for klay Thompson when George was still with the pacers

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    Most of the Cavs moves - Lebron is behind it - but Cavs didnít wanna trade Kryie for cp3- if not for GSW Lebron easily got 5 rings and chase down MJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by PharaohUB View Post
    Not sure if itís been said didnít read whole thread but Jordan is overrated. Iíve always said this and know itís an unpopular opinion. He would be an average star today. His athleticism was just ahead of its time. The guys are faster stronger and taller than theyíve ever been. You got centers now who hit 3 pointers. More complex defenses and freak athletes everywhere. Jordan didnít have to compete against nearly the talent lebron has. I donít even know how you can put Jordan and lebron in the same class class. Such as most things in the world recently nba has advanced thanks to technology , better understanding of nutrition, and other advances. If lebron was playing against the garbage that used to play in this league when jordAn was around heíd average 50 a night. If you donít believe me go and watch an nba game from the 90s. You will see what I mean if youíve been watching nba recently and your ego isnít too big to admit that basketball has gotten better.
    doesn't mean they are smarter

    want proof? watch the ending to the Sixers Celtics game 3... those 3 pt shooting centers and freak athletes lost that game for the Sixers with their idiot decisions and shots

    JJ also contributed with the late 4th q turnover in a 87-87 game... but he went to Duke, so that explains why he is always on teams that come up short

    complex defenses? nobody outside of 2 to 3 teams even try to play actual defense anymore

    offense... everybody does the same thing and copies each other, ending up with somebody throwing up a stupid 3 half the time

    phil may have been a better coach than what LeBron has had in CLE, but other teams back then also had better coaches than we see today in the NBA...and they got a lot out of their teams, and Jordan still got past them all. a ton of dumb coaches outside of a few smart ones

    MJ wins this argument everytime

    MJ would abuse LeBron 1 on 1... he would put moves together and LeBron would end up eventually out of defensive position while MJ grins and slams it home or puts in an easy shot. Hell... Steph Curry has done that to LeBron. I saw that guy VanVleet from Tor do it to LeBron last night with a nice sequence of moves... a 6 foot dude who comes off the bench.

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    I always said MJ and lebron are different players - Lebron looks to pass first

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    Go watch highlights of the 2013 all star game and you can see Kobe handchecking James and shutting him down. I know its just an all star game but there many times in the game they are trying. Jordan told Kobe to make LeBron go left and hand check him, they dont really call fouls in all star game so he did it. Wasnt even hard hand checking where the arm is extended out some, just arm on waist a little.
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    Jordan does not have the ability to make his teammates better like lebron

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikid2groove415 View Post
    Jordan does not have the ability to make his teammates better like lebron
    He was a pure scorer, Pippen was the point forward on the team. But when Jordan did play point guard some early in his career he'd have triple doubles many times. It was during 89 season I think. 10 triple doubles in an 11 game span.

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    I think its funny that people say Jordan isn't a quitter, when he quit basketball completely at the age of 29
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    Quote Originally Posted by eidolon View Post
    I think its funny that people say Jordan isn't a quitter, when he quit basketball completely at the age of 29
    Wrong - he was force out because of gambling reasons- NBA will never admit that - itís not that he gamble on nba but casinos

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    Biggest diffence MJ doesnít accept losing - and once he got that first championship everyone was DOA - lebron accepts losing

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    And some of you want a 3 party system, government.........

    I'm surprised the ruling Elite has not already done
    this as I'm sure the peasants would welcome it with open arms........

    Divide and conquer the peasants as they are completely
    dumbfounded as fukkin lab mice.........

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    The biggest thing is when Jordan left bulls...they still were dominant. Lebron left clev and they went from 30 over 500 to 30 below 500. Not even close...

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