[RudyRuetigger]

[RudyRuetigger]

Proof of botting or something worse like collusion or the super user thing?


That's the big one, the company planting super users in games. That's the big allegation he made.

Dont care about "proof" of bots personally. We all know that goes on already.

sad

very sad

you do know the best humans lost to bots in heads up matches

who are you to draw the line between what is a good bot and a bad bot?

[Optional]

sad

very sad

you do know the best humans lost to bots in heads up matches

who are you to draw the line between what is a good bot and a bad bot?

If he had made a video about botting, we could talk about that.

But he said the site operators knowingly allowed collusion, and that they deployed superuser accounts.

If you are posting with him, tell him to pull that evidence out of his hours of research, or even bloody explain the circumstantial evidence he sees for this? Apart from losing to them, which is the only thing I saw him say in the vid.


Carrying on about botting is just him obfuscating about the real claim he made. Make the prick back that up over there Rudy!

And maybe ask him why one day he talks collusion and super users and then the very next day posts this on twitter? https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/statu...7Ctwgr%5Etweet


Guy's either a crackhead, a fool, or a liar. No real other options left I am afraid Rudy... whatever is happening at ACR with bots.

[RudyRuetigger]

If he had made a video about botting, we could talk about that.

But he said the site operators knowingly allowed collusion, and that they deployed superuser accounts.

If you are posting with him, tell him to pull that evidence out of his hours of research, or even bloody explain the circumstantial evidence he sees for this? Apart from losing to them, which is the only thing I saw him say in the vid.


Carrying on about botting is just him obfuscating about the real claim he made. Make the prick back that up over there Rudy!

And maybe ask him why one day he talks collusion and super users and then the very next day posts this on twitter? https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/statu...7Ctwgr%5Etweet


Guy's either a crackhead, a fool, or a liar. No real other options left I am afraid Rudy... whatever is happening at ACR with bots.

your proof is his twitter post?

he is replying to doyle fukkin Brunson and never denied what he said in the video

optional you are terrible at poker, do you just want to argue with me or what?

I only asked what people thought of it.

you denying it 100% is just as bad as him saying there are superusers, except he has played millions of hands online and at high stakes. what have you done besides make the top 100 at sbrpoker?

[SharpAngles]

you do know the best humans lost to bots in heads up matches

Rudy you really think they’ve got players using Libratus to beat micro stakes on ACR?!

Opti is obviously right, this clown lost his ass so blamed bots and super users, got called out for this nonsense then backtracks with the stale “but bots though” while conveniently forgetting about the much more severe super user allegations.

It’s the tale as old as online poker. If I lose it’s because they cheated.

[RudyRuetigger]

Rudy you really think they’ve got players using Libratus to beat micro stakes on ACR?!

Opti is obviously right, this clown lost his ass so blamed bots and super users, got called out for this nonsense then backtracks with the stale “but bots though” while conveniently forgetting about the much more severe super user allegations.

It’s the tale as old as online poker. If I lose it’s because they cheated.

you are way out of line

you both admit to bots

so that is what we all agree on

now its very fukkin odd you both say they are ok as not winning

so genius where do we draw the line 1bb/100 at 1/2?

5bb/100 at .05/.1?

your logic is flawed even in the most simplistic form

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your proof is his twitter post?

he is replying to doyle fukkin Brunson and never denied what he said in the video

optional you are terrible at poker, do you just want to argue with me or what?

I only asked what people thought of it.

you denying it 100% is just as bad as him saying there are superusers, except he has played millions of hands online and at high stakes. what have you done besides make the top 100 at sbrpoker?

I'm not denying bots exist.

Just saying that this particular guy is a prize goose.

Maybe his celebrity gives him credence over at 2+2, but not with me.



And I wish I was as good at poker as I thought I was going to be by now! Hope I am past being terrible now at least though. :P

[RudyRuetigger]

I'm not denying bots exist.

Just saying that this particular guy is a prize goose.

Maybe his celebrity gives him credence over at 2+2, but not with me.



And I wish I was as good at poker as I thought I was going to be by now! Hope I am past being terrible now at least though. :P

I don't keep up with poker

but I'm almost certain he has interviewed the ceo of WPN on his channel or atleast podcast???

so for him to call them out is kinda big...what other poker podcasts have his following?

I bet he could've had a sponsorship there

anyway...we all agree bots exist and you and sharp think it doesn't matter as long as they aren't good

would love to hear where you draw the line from a bot being bad and ok to be on the site to a bot being good

[Optional]

your proof is his twitter post?

he is replying to doyle fukkin Brunson and never denied what he said in the video

Errr... from the twitter post the day after vid "I'm not implying the owners are actively complicit"

Gee, he sure seems to saying they are over and again in the vid!

And the first line of the vid description "I will talk about the cheating, botting, high stakes collusion & possible superusing that I believe to currently be taking place on the Winning Poker Network aka America's Card Room."




Don't want to argue with you Rudy, but if you are posting with him at 2+2 why not ask him to explain more about the allegations of single users allowed to hold multiple accounts and sit at same table... and more than anything, just any reason he can give to explain the SuperUSer allegation he repeats multiple times in the vid?

He says he has hours of recordings of examples of this play! Can't he show just 1 hand that he thinks shows an example of this?

He could even just explain clearly what has happened apart from he seems to lose too much and not get value bets in against one account from Turkey?


You like being the one to expose things. Go expose this guy!

[Optional]

I don't keep up with poker

but I'm almost certain he has interviewed the ceo of WPN on his channel or atleast podcast???

so for him to call them out is kinda big...what other poker podcasts have his following?

I bet he could've had a sponsorship there

anyway...we all agree bots exist and you and sharp think it doesn't matter as long as they aren't good

would love to hear where you draw the line from a bot being bad and ok to be on the site to a bot being good

Pretty sure I have not said anything about how easy bots are to beat or not. I have not been thinking about the bot issue.

I just want to know if there is ANY actual evidence, or even a clear story about a hand this guy thinks is proof of this Turkish guy he has recorded for hours being a super user or colluding!

[RudyRuetigger]

I said in my last post we cant prove anything

for the third time: we agree bots exist. two of you think that is ok as they are not big time winners

I am asking where you draw the line since you think it is ok since they do not win (you have no proof of this but I am taking your word that they do not win) so give me an idea and what winrate and at what stakes can we draw the line

THANKS

[HurryUpAndDrink]

[firedawg]

Unreal

Really

[RudyRuetigger]

I fukkin made this thread days ago

what a fukkin idiot

[RudyRuetigger]

Unreal

Really

if he knew I made this thread, he would've been arguing for WPN

sad times at SBR

[HurryUpAndDrink]

I fukkin made this thread days ago

what a fukkin idiot

your mother is the fukkin idiot for not aborting your ass

I try as hard as I can to ignore your threads... and if you check back and see I reply to less than 30% of them

Hard to say if you are gone or self banned or crying or bitching... I frankly dont pay attention to your bitch drama

[jjgold]

lol

I am too sharp to play online poker

[HurryUpAndDrink]

Unreal

Really

gonna resume on the tracking

thx for material pal... cant wait to update w your SuperBowl screwdriver

[RudyRuetigger]

MODS please merge this idiots thread

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...m1s-video.html

[RudyRuetigger]

gonna resume on the tracking

thx for material pal... cant wait to update w your SuperBowl screwdriver

have a bigday Friday as a nonpro?

D4329F

2/02/2018 6:17 PM

Points transfer to sportsbook.

HurryUpAndDrink

SBR

Sportsbook Withdraw

-14 0.00

[firedawg]

gonna resume on the tracking, like taking my pal

thx for material pal... cant wait to update w your SuperBowl screwdriver

Please do

You have nothing better to do than post in this place 24/7
Don’t forget my golf plays

Oops
U can’t see them


Broke fukkk non pro

[HurryUpAndDrink]

Please do

You have nothing better to do than post in this place 24/7
Don’t forget my golf plays

Oops
U can’t see them


Broke fukkk non pro

LMAO YOU ARE A RETARD

Making a thread pro only means I cannot post in it. But I can SEE AND TRACK.

Nice try tho... try having a brain for your next attempt at #winning

[firedawg]

Hurry should have got stiff of the year award
Steve left so Hurry was a shoe in

[firedawg]

LMAO YOU ARE A RETARD

Making a thread pro only means I cannot post in it. But I can SEE AND TRACK.

Nice try tho... try having a brain for your next attempt at #winning

Calm down Shirley
It’s ok
It’s a chit chat room right????

Now get back in your hut and get to sweeping

[unde0087]

Opti, I was bored so I watched the whole vid. Not sure why because I don't play online other than SBR and that is quite enough for me. Guy shared zero evidence. Just him whining for 18 minutes. My question is, we all know most of these sites have cheaters and most of us have been in on pots or games that were blatantly rigged over the years. Not sure why anyone would play on these sites, especially if they are in a populated area, when you can go to play live.

[RudyRuetigger]

Opti, I was bored so I watched the whole vid. Not sure why because I don't play online other than SBR and that is quite enough for me. Guy shared zero evidence. Just him whining for 18 minutes. My question is, we all know most of these sites have cheaters and most of us have been in on pots or games that were blatantly rigged over the years. Not sure why anyone would play on these sites, especially if they are in a populated area, when you can go to play live.

let me get this straight

you admit you know nothing

and you are asking a guy that knows nothing


great idea fukkin idiot

[unde0087]

let me get this straight

you admit you know nothing

and you are asking a guy that knows nothing


great idea fukkin idiot

This post sums up how fukin stupid or drunk you are on a daily basis. The reply makes about as much sense as that rambling school girl in the video.

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I said in my last post we cant prove anything

for the third time: we agree bots exist. two of you think that is ok as they are not big time winners

I am asking where you draw the line since you think it is ok since they do not win (you have no proof of this but I am taking your word that they do not win) so give me an idea and what winrate and at what stakes can we draw the line

THANKS

Again, I have not said they can't win or can win. Or if I think that makes a difference.

I don't know where to draw the line. And honestly I don't have much interest in playing online a lot, pretty much due to the collusion issue. Plus bots too I guess. And helper software to tell players what to do. Don't like any of it.

Personally, if I owned a poker site and it was possible to stop all bots and helper software, that's how I would like to run it.

I'd probably work out an algorithm to flag potential collusion and do all this was possible to stamp on that.


I imagine ACR want to operate something like that too.

Do you think it's possible?

[vividjohn45]

I'd like to see the proof so i am kind of disregarding this .

[rm18]

Some of the guys he is accusing are known players who are definitely not bots.

[HurryUpAndDrink]

I'd like to see the proof so i am kind of disregarding this .

I really wouldn't. The source is credible.

I have suffered same thing on WPN last when I played cash early 2015. Used to play $1-$2 and $2-$4 PLO8 and NLHE.

Same players winning most sessions, if they lost it was against each other... not to mention they always cashed top $ in the rake races...

WPN sucks and has many security flaws as proven multiple times. I was able to try and use a bot at this site successfully. Anyone with half a brain could, you just buy it.

Said bot works on 888poker too.

[mikejamm]

Wow, cheating and collusion in online poker. This idiot rants for 18 minutes (didn't even watch it all) about how fuk'ed (WPN network) America's Card Room is. Noob! Tell us something we don't know!

[RudyRuetigger]

This post sums up how fukin stupid or drunk you are on a daily basis. The reply makes about as much sense as that rambling school girl in the video.

which part of my post is wrong??

[RudyRuetigger]

Some of the guys he is accusing are known players who are definitely not bots.

like who

44bars??

[SharpAngles]

I don’t think GUMMO77 plays at ACR so doubt there’s any dangerous bots over there