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    Wallach: NJ will have sports betting by 2018 NFL season

    Wallach: NJ will have sports betting by 2018 NFL season
    Aaron Stanley, CDC Gaming Reports · December 1, 2017

    The question isn’t whether or not the Supreme Court will rule in New Jersey’s favor on Monday; it’s how resounding the victory will be.

    That was the sentiment at a briefing Friday afternoon that previewed December 4th’s Supreme Court hearing, where oral arguments in Christie v. NCAA, the high-profile sports betting case, will be presented to the high court.

    “I believe New Jersey will end up with sports betting at Monmouth Park racetrack and any other participating casinos that want to have it by Week 1 of the NFL season of 2018,” predicted Dan Wallach, a sports law attorney with Becker & Poliakoff in south Florida, during the event at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

    “We could be looking at sports betting in New Jersey by the Final Four” if the court moves quickly in its deliberations, he continued.

    The case will examine whether or not the U.S. government overreached its constitutional authority in preventing New Jersey’s backdoor attempt to allow sports betting within its borders by removing its state prohibitions on the activity.

    More broadly, the case has important implications about federalism, particularly the extent that the federal government is allowed to regulate behavior at the state level.

    Under this umbrella, the court is expected to weigh in on the constitutionality of the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act, which largely prohibits sports betting outside of Nevada, and whether or not New Jersey will be permitted to offer it as well.

    Presenters offered a multiplicity of reasons, including previous court trends, the strength of New Jersey’s arguments, shifting public perceptions and the broader importance of the case, as to why the pro-sports betting would prevail.

    “We’re going to have legalized sports betting in some form,” argued Michael Pollock of Spectrum Gaming. “The mindset of the public has shifted so much, irrespective of what the Supreme Court decides we’re going to have sports betting of some kind.”

    “The question I wrestle with is how sweeping the victory will be for New Jersey,” said Wallach. “Is it one that will largely only benefit New Jersey or will it be floodgates wide open?”

    Matthew McGill, an attorney with Gibson Dunn, argued that PASPA constitutes a clear violation of the anti-commandeering principle which restricts the federal government’s ability to regulate state-level behavior.

    “Rather than the federal government directly regulating sports wagering, PASPA requires states to prohibit sports wagering for the federal government,” he said, emphasizing that the law’s requirement that states cannot repeal their sports betting prohibitions is little more than clever wording.

    “A command to prohibit sports wagering can be restated as a prohibition against repealing state law prohibitions,” he said.

    McGill added that the leagues’ inconsistent position toward PASPA in recent years creates, in effect, a leaky interpretation that does not reflect Congress’s intentions when it first passed the law in 1992.

    “What the leagues said from 1992 until 2012 was that PASPA was a broad ban on sports wagering,” he explained. “Starting in 2012, the leagues argued, ‘Well what PASPA actually does is it requires you to prohibit sports betting or it allows you the option of repealing all of your prohibitions on sports betting.”

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    weekend trips to borgata might be making a comeback

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    Who cares

    Top 5 Dimes or the other 5 top books

    I do not think so not even close

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    I live in NJ and while that may be cool on the weekend at the casino, I don't even use my local except to arb/hedge. Online is the way to be

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Who cares

    Top 5 Dimes or the other 5 top books

    I do not think so not even close


    JJ my friend.

    With legalization, sites like this will explode.

    There will be so many members viewing your videos, you'll be a celebrity (or bigger one ha)

    Advertising /sponsors will increase & the competition will be fierce.

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    NFL squandering chance to force President Trump to kneel on gambling case and be on side of fans


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    The NFL can’t get out of its own way of late, feuding with its players, feuding with its fans, feuding with wedge-seeking politicians and, of course, feuding among itself.

    Protection Act (PASPA) that bars sports wagering in all but four states and really anywhere outside of Nevada.

    “Christie” is New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who sued in an effort to allow casinos and race tracks in his state to open sports wagering. The NCAA is the NCAA, which opposes the idea and is supported by major professional sports leagues and the Trump Administration. A decision will come in 2018.

    constitutional law or even abandoning the tired trope that sports wagering threatens a peaceful society.
    It’s about getting one right. It’s about getting on the side of fans. And it’s about the future of its business.
    There was a time when the NFL had the luxury of holding its nose aloft and decry sports wagering. There was a time it could trot out baseless arguments about supposedly protecting the integrity of the game from point shavers. There was a time when the league could brush off gamblers as just fringe degenerates.

    That time is long gone.
    Television ratings are down and there isn’t a single, currently legal, solution to change that. Fan opinion of the league is in the dumps, a combination of endless scandals ranging from player protests, botched commissioner-led investigations, concussion issues, seemingly blackballed talent, franchise relocations, ever-rising ticket prices, taxpayer stadium bailouts and who knows what else. The league is getting hit from all sides.

    There’s a reason it’s under near daily social media attack from President Donald Trump. He can spot a weakling to bully a mile away.
    Americans’ support of wagering in all forms has grown exponentially over the past few decades, from state-run lotteries to brick and mortar casinos down the street. Gambling is about granny on a slot machine, not wise guys in the desert. Only big government doesn’t know that.
    And that’s why the business of the NFL benefits here, too. A 2016 Nielsen Sports study, funded by the American Gaming Association, found that sports bettors watched 19 more regular-season games than non-bettors. They also tuned in an average of 11 minutes longer and consumed more media around the sport than non-bettors.

    The study also estimated that while about 40 million people currently gamble regularly on the NFL (either in Nevada or illegally through offshore or local bookmakers) that number would jump to an estimated 57 million if it was legal. That’s a lot of potential Papa John’s.
    “This is potentially a game-changer for the leagues,” Sara Slane, a senior vice president at the American Gaming Association, told Yahoo Sports. “Just as daily fantasy sports increased viewership because fans felt they had a skin in the game, legalized sports betting would do 100 times that.”

    It’s not just betting the money line or the spread, either. It’s so-called “in play” wagering, which is legal in Great Britain. Via smart phones or computers, bettors can make low-limit bets on what will happen on the next drive or even play, retaining viewers through even lopsided contests.
    The NFL played four games this year in London and one in Mexico City, where sports wagering is legal. The Raiders are set to move to Las Vegas in 2020. If fans in Dallas or Davenport, Iowa, had the same accessible, regulated and legal wagering options as fans in those places (in London there is a betting parlor on nearly every city block), then the NFL would be awash in millions of new heavy consumers.

    Moreover, the league would be on the side of inevitable progress, riding a wave of pro-gambling momentum. Polls and referendums show the people want this.
    Law enforcement has long said it’s ridiculous to claim a ban on gambling protects integrity of the game. They note that Las Vegas sports books are their greatest asset in catching compromised action.

    “The only way to protect the integrity of the game is to have a legal, transparent sports wagering system in place,” Slane said. “Right now the system operates in the dark.”

    The illegal sports wagering market is an estimated $150 billion to $400 billion, which is untaxed. Much of it winds up either in offshore companies or organized crime, which then uses the money to fund far worse operations such as human trafficking.
    If nothing else, for the first time in recent memory, the NFL would be fighting for the average person against the government that wants to place restrictions on entertainment options. The league could run advertisements touting how much tax money legal NFL wagering would produce for local schools, police and fire departments.

    If Trump is beating up the NFL about being anti-fan, then Roger Goodell could stand up against Trump’s Justice Department, which filed supporting motions on behalf of the NCAA. Make Trump take a knee against laying $20 on the Packers this weekend and pumping up state and municipal budgets because of some intricacy of the 10th Amendment that neither he nor almost anyone else understands.

    PASPA is 25 years old and has not aged well. Already MLB, the NBA and the NHL have expressed a softening on the issue, if not outright support for legalization, although all strangely remain involved in the Christie lawsuit.

    The NFL is still the lead dog, though. And on Monday, rather than walking into the Supreme Court and working for its own fans and its own bottom line, it’ll fall back on its same old bad fight, too arrogant to embrace the future.

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    Always been misconseption it repacked Offshore

    It’s the opposite actually

    It will never attract regulars unless offered on apps but that is not what is will be

    Racetracks and casinos only

    Limited

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Always been misconseption it repacked Offshore

    It’s the opposite actually

    It will never attract regulars unless offered on apps but that is not what is will be

    Racetracks and casinos only

    Limited



    Not sure if offshore & legal state books can coexist on the same site as sponsors, or not.

    So much to be seen.

    Forums like SBR & TheRx may decide to have have separate sites that cater to both.

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    If we see more legalization of course SBR does better, all the big gaming portals do better and even touts do better

    Fantasy gets wiped out

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    It's not official but it's such a positive move that direction.

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    we will take it do not get me wrong

    The sportsbooks going to be crap though..nj racetracks a dump

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    If we see more legalization of course SBR does better, all the big gaming portals do better and even touts do better

    Fantasy gets wiped out
    Fantasy will still exist in the original form/intent where friends and family create teams for the year for a prize pool and bragging rights. With that said, I do think Fan Duel and Draft Kings will get decimated since that daily amateur money can turn directly towards betting on a game rather than drafting players for a 1 week only league which is labor intensive/time consuming compared to betting a team or the o/u. Lot easier to pay attention to a game in whole (what's the score?) rather than how your fantasy player is doing (how many yards does AB have?).

    What they'll have to do to stay competitive is become the on shore version BetOnline or Bookmaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    we will take it do not get me wrong

    The sportsbooks going to be crap though..nj racetracks a dump
    Brick & mortar poker makes out the best here

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    sweeper probably

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    We've heard these reports before and the feds always find a way to block it. The court will likely reject the argument anyway, or put such limits on anything it won't matter.

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    Still have to drive 2 hours to AC just to place bets? What's the point? It's a foot in the door but it's not going to win over customers. Easier to place bets from a mobile device or tablet on the couch or doing whatever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seattle Slew View Post
    We've heard these reports before and the feds always find a way to block it. The court will likely reject the argument anyway, or put such limits on anything it won't matter.
    Difference is, there's less of an appetite to block it than there was 25 years ago. This case is also a state's right's issue and is not really politically charged case like the ACA, so you should see less politics influencing this decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seattle Slew View Post
    We've heard these reports before and the feds always find a way to block it. The court will likely reject the argument anyway, or put such limits on anything it won't matter.
    This is what I think will happen. I don't think they are going to let it fold in state by state, I think there will be a more broad institution.

    Then again, big greens have been going state by state and all it took was someone to break the mold.

    New Jersey seems like a good place to break the mold for a couple of reasons. The failing Atlantic City and the fact that it's the East Coast could both help.

    Hopefully heavy hitters in Vegas won't get congress to pass a more specific law.

    It's a worry because congress grants the leagues a right to a monopoly, at least for MLB, so a politically influenced congress might have a say in this after a court ruling.

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    Vegas does not care
    They make nothing off sports betting

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    I'd love to see it legalized nationwide....

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    I'll believe it when I see it.

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    Sports betting being legalized in the US will actually help sites like Bet365 and BetDSI who do not accept US players. More competition will lead to the Costa Rican Books either getting better, or going out of business.

    Lot of US players would prefer to play at Bet365. But if the Vegas books start their own online books (which would be very easy) , there will be no need for off-shores.

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    hearing started 40 mins ago



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    This is it for sports betting if it loses never will happen pressure on

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    Still have to drive 2 hours to AC just to place bets? What's the point? It's a foot in the door but it's not going to win over customers. Easier to place bets from a mobile device or tablet on the couch or doing whatever
    you can legally wager on table games and what not in NJ if yr a qualified resident [have to send in copy of driver's license, etc]
    not sure why there would be a prohibition on doing so if we win this case...

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    Browsing through Twitter, there's a sports law attorney I have followed for a couple years that I respect the opinion of, is predicting SCOTUS to rule for NJ. He goes further and is predicting the vote to be 6-3.

    Based on what else I'm reading, the prediction is all of the conservative justices (Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch, Thomas) along with Kennedy who is usually the swing vote and that Breyer from the liberal block seemed skeptical of the NCAA's argument and appeared in favor of NJ.
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    Let’s go!!

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    gonna be 90-120 days before we see a ruling here

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    we will take it do not get me wrong

    The sportsbooks going to be crap though..nj racetracks a dump


    MGM in Atlantic city building a sports book already..... William hill at monmouth park going to build a stand alone sports book
    There will be 2 casino's built in north east new jersey which will bring in CGT

    legal sports betting will be bigger.... no question...
    offshore will consolidate ...top 5 or so will stay open....
    PPH could be on their last leg unless they figure to pay early off a monday night win not 11 days

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    North Jersey casinos years and years away


    Quote Originally Posted by Mrtop7 View Post
    MGM in Atlantic city building a sports book already..... William hill at monmouth park going to build a stand alone sports book
    There will be 2 casino's built in north east new jersey which will bring in CGT

    legal sports betting will be bigger.... no question...
    offshore will consolidate ...top 5 or so will stay open....
    PPH could be on their last leg unless they figure to pay early off a monday night win not 11 days

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    North Jersey casinos years and years away



    I know the locations already . One in Jersey City the other in the meadowlands..... soon as they agree on the money it will be built.
    CGT already running the meadowlands for horses... casino's could be built in 2 years

    the question is will jersey put everything online right away ???

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    It took Vegas years to get phone apps

    It will never be on a computer..illegal

    Even Vegas cannot get it on computer

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    why is it they only have apps ??? offshore much better with online

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    no idea but Vegas not allowed computer access

    I think too many workarounds out of state and gaming control said no

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