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    First Lawsuit Already Filed -- MB screwed the pooch.....

    I knew it would only be a matter of time after the fbi blew open the phony narrative MB attempted to float with the help of Lombardo's office..... now the hotel will have hell (and millions in money damages) to pay to the victims at the concert.....

    The Las Vegas shooting is just the beginning of a nightmare for the Mandalay Bay hotel





    • A 21-year-old victim of the Las Vegas shooting has filed a lawsuit against the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, the staging point for the deadliest shooting in modern US history.




    • Legal experts say it's almost certain that other victims of the Las Vegas shooting will attempt to hold the hotel liable in court.




    • Even if hotel employees couldn't have prevented the shooting, it could be used to argue that hotels need to take stronger measures to prevent mass shootings.

    A victim of the Las Vegas shooting has filed a lawsuit against the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.


    She is unlikely to be the only one to do so.


    On Monday, Paige Gasper filed a lawsuit against the Mandalay Bay and MGM Resorts International, the hotel's parent company, as well as concert organizer Live Nation Entertainment Inc., bump stock maker Slide Fire Solutions LP, and the estate of Stephen Paddock. The 21-year-old was shot in the chest when Paddock opened fire from the hotel on 22,000 people attending a music festival in Las Vegas, according to the complaint.


    Paddock stockpiled weapons in his hotel room before firing from the windows of his 32nd-floor suite into the crowd of people across the street, leaving 58 people dead and more than 500 others wounded before Paddock killed himself as security forces closed in.


    Before Gasper filed the case, legal experts told Business Insider that victims of the shooting were likely to bring lawsuits against MGM Resorts and the Mandalay Bay. Plaintiffs will most likely seek damages for things like medical expenses or disabilities resulting from the shooting.



    "The tragic incident that took place on October 1st was a meticulously planned, evil senseless act," MGM Resorts spokesperson, Debra DeShong, said in a statment to Business Insider. "As our company and city work through the healing process, our primary focus and concern is taking actions to support the victims and their families, our guests and employees and cooperating with law enforcement."



    "Out of respect for the victims we are not going to try this case in the public domain and we will give our response through the appropriate legal channels," DeShong continued.



    Gasper's case provides an early glimpse at arguments other victims may make against the hotel.


    The crux of Gasper's argument is that the company failed to "maintain the Mandalay Bay premises in a reasonably safe condition."


    First, there's an apparent lack of surveillance. The plaintiff claims that the Mandalay Bay failed to properly surveil guests and failed to monitor premises using security cameras. Additionally, it argues that the Mandalay Bay "failed to adequately train and supervise employees on the reporting and discovery of suspicious individuals and/or person and/or activity."


    Employees at major hotel chains are trained to report suspicious behavior from guests, said Dick Hudak, a managing partner of Resort Security Consulting. In Paddock's case, however, they seemed to miss a few potential red flags.


    In the three days between when Paddock checked into the hotel and when he carried out the shooting, he brought at least 10 suitcases filled with firearms into his room. Police officials said Paddock also constructed an elaborate surveillance system in the hotel, placing two cameras in the hallway outside his suite — one on a service cart — as well as a camera in his door's peephole.


    The complaint highlights the Mandalay Bay's failure to notice or prevent Paddock's weapon stockpiling and surveillance cameras as two failures for which the hotel should be held legally liable.


    "He gave us a clue there that something bad was going to happen," Hudak, a former FBI agent who was previously the director of security at Sheraton and is not involved in the investigation, said of the cameras.


    Finally, the complaint cites statements from law-enforcement officers in saying that a Mandalay Bay security officer was shot by Paddock before Paddock began shooting into the crowd. The complaint therefore accuses the Mandalay Bay of failing to "timely respond or otherwise act" in response to the officer's shooting.


    "As evidenced by law-enforcement briefings over the past week, many facts are still unverified and continue to change as events are under review," DeShong said Tuesday night in a statement. "We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline that has been communicated publicly, and we believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate."


    Setting a precedent


    If Gasper and other victims win their cases, it could help set a precedent for what hotels are legally responsible to do to ensure guests' safety.


    As more mass shootings take place in the US, it's increasingly likely that attorneys will argue that hotels and other venues should see the potential for such a crime and make changes to prevent it.


    "Foreseeability is one of the key components of liability," Hudak said.



    The industry today has no national standards for security, and hotels aren't typically held accountable for guests' behavior.



    Heidi Li Feldman, a professor at Georgetown Law School, says it's "entirely feasible" that an attorney would make this argument based on the fact that mass shootings have taken place at other entertainment venues.



    "If Congress isn't regulating gun ownership, it is going to be private parties ... who end up regulating their own premises," Feldman said.


    Donk's editorial comment: Without the attempted coverup/bullshit hero story propagated by MB/Lombardo, most potential jurors would have probably absolved MB from liability for this horrid event, on the basis that even six mins wasn't enough time to really alter the outcome.... BUT, with the bullshit coverup, those same jurors are not going to be so forgiving....

    once again, the cover up, from MB's standpoint, is going to wind up hurting them financially far more than the crime itself....
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    Wow, I have no problem going thru metal detector security at airports and sports venues. Is that a practical solution for big hotels,casinos,etc., etc.?

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    This is what's wrong with USA legal system.

    The culprit is the shooter, maybe the bump stock mfg if you can stretch it...but the casino? They have nothing negligent or liable here.

    I honestly feel we need to adopt a loser pay legal system. Will cut down on this trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckyOne View Post
    Wow, I have no problem going thru metal detector security at airports and sports venues. Is that a practical solution for big hotels,casinos,etc., etc.?
    Doesn't seem practical for hotels. Jeez, everybody has some kind of metal in their suitcase. What are they gonna do, make me open up and paw through my underwear to make sure I don't have 32 rifles in there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeggieDog View Post
    Doesn't seem practical for hotels. Jeez, everybody has some kind of metal in their suitcase. What are they gonna do, make me open up and paw through my underwear to make sure I don't have 32 rifles in there?
    Had a friend leave toe nail clippers at a hotel since he didn't want to have to deal with bringing them back through airport. I can't imagine not being able to have things like that in a hotel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaFats View Post
    This is what's wrong with USA legal system.

    The culprit is the shooter, maybe the bump stock mfg if you can stretch it...but the casino? They have nothing negligent or liable here.

    I honestly feel we need to adopt a loser pay legal system. Will cut down on this trash.
    i don't know what form of comparative fault scheme the state of Nevada has, but depending on how it deals with joint and several liability, the plaintiffs are going to possibly have a hard time with paddock (and his relatively small estate) being hit with at least 80-90 percent fault, regardless of what a jury might put on the bumpstock manufacturer, the lvpd, and MB....

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    oh they're getting paid. I'm sure just a matter of by whom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckyOne View Post
    Wow, I have no problem going thru metal detector security at airports and sports venues. Is that a practical solution for big hotels,casinos,etc., etc.?
    I'm not playing that nonsense of going through a metal detector in vegas casinos/hotels. Then will come taking off your shoes and it just kills the fun. I doubt vegas would move to this but I didn't see hotels charging for parking coming either.

    That's whats coming hotels charging for parking in self parking. wtf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teaserpleaser View Post
    I'm not playing that nonsense of going through a metal detector in vegas casinos/hotels. Then will come taking off your shoes and it just kills the fun. I doubt vegas would move to this but I didn't see hotels charging for parking coming either.

    That's whats coming hotels charging for parking in self parking. wtf.
    only way i'm takin' off my shoes in Vegas outside of my room is if it's for some of this treatment:




    Im still miffed at the spa staff at Aria for not letting me dunk the family jewels in with the fish after a long night of partying and no post-sex shower.....
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    Typical legal system, it's not about going after the responsible party, it's about going after the money.
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    Good luck trying to get money out of them, they are billion-dollar companies and the lawyers will make the parties go bankrupt

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    I can't imagine they have a strong case against the hotel here, huh? I can see the bump stock manufacturer, because they are intended to create illegal ARs. Even with the timeline of the security guard getting shot before the mass shooting, this was unavoidable imo. The guy was on a mission. But even if they do owe, I wonder if the hotels liability insurance would cover this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slambam View Post
    I can't imagine they have a strong case against the hotel here, huh? I can see the bump stock manufacturer, because they are intended to create illegal ARs. Even with the timeline of the security guard getting shot before the mass shooting, this was unavoidable imo. The guy was on a mission. But even if they do owe, I wonder if the hotels liability insurance would cover this.
    liability policy may exclude coverage from intentional acts such as this; probably has a healthy per claim deductible, assuming mgm grand isn't "self insured" due to their size (unlikely)....

    could wind up seeing litigation between mb and its insurer on the issue of whether it's a covered claim, or whether an exclusion to coverage applies.....

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    Not getting much

    All this does is show no respect for loved ones

    Interested in money more than the loss

    Money does no return victims

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    Should be thrown out of court immediately.

    Absolutely ridiculous.

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    latest narrative explaining away the six minute gap should help MB and lvpd fend off any claims; better hope the sec. gaurd's cell phone backs up MB's 10:05 shooting of the guard....

    if it does, lvpd clearly off the hook, and mb will then be left facing only lame ass claims based on no hallway cameras and inadequate security based on letting the murderous fukstick use their service elevator.... even I could fend those off....

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    Itís all impossible to proveÖ Do you think a guard Making $10 an hour is going to rush up there and go against a guy with automatic weapons no way

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckyOne View Post
    Wow, I have no problem going thru metal detector security at airports and sports venues. Is that a practical solution for big hotels,casinos,etc., etc.?
    No. Have you ever been to Vegas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    No. Have you ever been to Vegas?
    crank up the john lennon tune and sign along....

    "Imagine all the hookers.....

    lining up at 12 am.....

    metal detectors keepin'.....

    them from selling their wares...."

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    With how many people go in and out of a hotel and they were supposed to notice this guy with luggage as suspicious? Dumb.

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    Well this canadian man might as well sue them


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    damn .... I always that canadian flappin' heads were softer and easily penetrated by bullets....


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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR_Guest_Pro View Post
    With how many people go in and out of a hotel and they were supposed to notice this guy with luggage as suspicious? Dumb.
    I'll volunteer for the "security detail" at either Aria or Venetian between 11 pm and 2 am thur-sat nights....

    it's a rough job, but someone has to check all that lingerie those hookers are rollin' in wearing.... no telling where they might hide a gun.....

    all orifice searches required... a small .22 derringer can fit practically anywhere.....

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    There is a victims fund set up that has so far reached over 10 million dollars with a goal of 15 million, its being run by that Feinstein guy who did the 911 fund, Katrina fund and BP oil fund. All these people are going to be paid something before its over. Look at the 911 fund just yesterday it was reported that it still had 4 billion dollars it had to disperse within the next 3 years, you would think that anyone that had a claim from 911 would have filed by now, what its only been 16 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capitalist pig View Post
    There is a victims fund set up that has so far reached over 10 million dollars with a goal of 15 million, its being run by that Feinstein guy who did the 911 fund, Katrina fund and BP oil fund. All these people are going to be paid something before its over. Look at the 911 fund just yesterday it was reported that it still had 4 billion dollars it had to disperse within the next 3 years, you would think that anyone that had a claim from 911 would have filed by now, what its only been 16 years.

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    you gotta link to that fund? I wanna throw some at it.... heart breaking stories all over the place....

    no matter what you think of him, lombardo's press conference at the end, when he spoke of Brady Cook, my damn eyes even welled up a bit.... I know Lombardo may have taken a few missteps in this investigation and how it was communicated to the public, but I genuinely think he's a good man doin' the best he can.....

    I'd stand behind him....

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    Vegas was tremendous all around on the tragedy

    Nothing more to say

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    Itís a go fund me account just do search of Las Vegas victims fund and it comes up

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    Quote Originally Posted by capitalist pig View Post
    It’s a go fund me account just do search of Las Vegas victims fund and it comes up

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    Last i checked it raised around 10 million where is all the money going to not to the victims if these lawsuits have started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slayer14 View Post
    Last i checked it raised around 10 million where is all the money going to not to the victims if these lawsuits have started.
    i say put it in a "hi rollers" slot pool for the victims, take it into mandalay bay, and get some money out of em playin 100/spin.....

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