[slayer14]

San Diego handicap 2017

Tough sport to win on is horse racing

[jjgold]

Biggest sucker game that was ever invented

[CWD]

del mar crazy things happen

[mr. leisure]

Didn`t even get the bridge jumper show bet

[playersonly69]

what did the trifecta pay> The craziest thing is that it was a 5 horse race and the 1/9 came in 4th

[DrunkHorseplayer]

In the 1998 SD handicap, Silver Charm finished fifth of five at 1/9; deja vu time.

[CWD]

the-day-there-was-no-victory-cigar-at-del-marl

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/sdut-the-day-there-was-no-victory-cigar-at-del-mar-2016apr10-story.html

[str]

The horse is off a layoff, is pointing for a November race and he is not fully cranked up in July?

It's like the Patriots losing in week 4.

It's not a suckers game JJ, you just need to try and understand it, that's all.

[DroopyDog]

I doubt they offered show wagering on a 5 horse field with a 1/9 fav

But if they did.... someone probably took a huge bath

[mr. leisure]

I doubt they offered show wagering on a 5 horse field with a 1/9 fav

But if they did.... someone probably took a huge bath

I was curious so I looked it up . Some people lost some big money .

• 1
  AccelerateV. Espinoza 117Lbs J. Sadler 17.60 32.60 22.00
• 
  
  DonworthM. Gutierrez 116Lbs D. O'Neill 119.80 67.40
• 5
  Cat BurglarR. Bejarano 118Lbs B. Baffert 38.20

• 
  

[RudyRuetigger]

does how much you beat your horse with the whip depend on how fast he will go???

and you guys wonder wtf is going on????

[str]

does how much you beat your horse with the whip depend on how fast he will go???

and you guys wonder wtf is going on????

No.

[RudyRuetigger]

No.

ok so you say it doesn't matter how much you beat your horse...then why do they have whips and why do they whip them


you guys are too fukkin easy

[ChuckyTheGoat]

I was curious so I looked it up . Some people lost some big money .

• 1
  AccelerateV. Espinoza 117Lbs J. Sadler 17.60 32.60 22.00
• 
  
  DonworthM. Gutierrez 116Lbs D. O'Neill 119.80 67.40
• 5
  Cat BurglarR. Bejarano 118Lbs B. Baffert 38.20

• 
  

Nice post. Wow, somebody who sniffed it out had to make a huge score.

Parimutuel is always crazy. If it doesn't go to script, the vacated horse makes for massive payout.

ACCEL place pays huge. Even Show pays > Win.

[str]

ok so you say it doesn't matter how much you beat your horse...then why do they have whips and why do they whip them


you guys are too fukkin easy

You are in over your head here Rudy.

If you want to learn about the game, go to the horse sub forum section.

[mr. leisure]

Nice post. Wow, somebody who sniffed it out had to make a huge score.

Parimutuel is always crazy. If it doesn't go to script, the vacated horse makes for massive payout.

ACCEL place pays huge. Even Show pays > Win.

Donworth paid $119.80 on a $2 place bet and $67.40 to show .

[RudyRuetigger]

You are in over your head here Rudy.

If you want to learn about the game, go to the horse sub forum section.

I asked for 1 simple reply

ill ask against since you are fukkin dumb

"if it doesn't matter how much you whip your horse, why whip it"

now go ahead

[DrunkHorseplayer]

If your horse is dead tired or simply doesn't want to run, the whip makes no difference. If your horse has something left in the tank, the whip will help.

[gravy]

Problem is these horses come back from Dubai and its seem like they just dont run right when they come back to the states first time out just a trend that I notice

[mr. leisure]

Problem is these horses come back from Dubai and its seem like they just dont run right when they come back to the states first time out just a trend that I notice

Good point Cheers brother

[RudyRuetigger]

If your horse is dead tired or simply doesn't want to run, the whip makes no difference. If your horse has something left in the tank, the whip will help.

looks like I'm right and str is wrong

very weird for a guy to win a thread involving horseracing that doesn't bet horses against a guy with a horseracing avatar

[str]

I asked for 1 simple reply

ill ask against since you are fukkin dumb

"if it doesn't matter how much you whip your horse, why whip it"

now go ahead

Here is your quote:

"does how much you beat your horse with the whip depend on how fast he will go???

The answer is no.

That is not close.

Horses respond to the element of surprise which is why riders switch from one hand to another.

Not all rides as sometimes there is no room on one side or the other because the other horses are tightly bunched. And not all riders. Most of those riders that do not are inferior in talent OR the rider cannot hit the horse on a certain side for fear of veering off course. (It gets complicated , so I will leave it at that. I do not want to go too fast for you).

After hitting a horse a few times on one side, the strike becomes less and less effective and in many cases, the horse barely feels it after 2 or three to the same area, whereas if you go left handed once or twice switch and go right handed once or twice then switch back, along with showing them the stick prior to using it or tapping them on the shoulder with it to get their attention beforehand, the rider will usually get much more out of it.

Some horses are never hit. More than a tap and they will sulk and stop competing altogether. Others just shown the stick. Occasionally, the rider will ride without a stick. That is a trainers decision and is made at time of entry.

Just whipping the horse as much as you can is not only ignorant, it is against the rules in certain states.

If a rider of mine had ever done that, they only would have done it once. That's because I wanted riders that actually understood what they were doing , not knuckleheads that think otherwise.

There is your answer.

Feel free to ask a question anytime but please lose the cursing. It's a sign of ignorance .

[str]

Problem is these horses come back from Dubai and its seem like they just dont run right when they come back to the states first time out just a trend that I notice

Great observation.

The trip over and back is tough on U.S. horses.

Most are given a break after the trip.

We follow the winners and assume and hope they are ready to fire first off the layoff after that trip. Often times they can win even though they are not at their very best on pure talent.

But the reality is it is tough to get a horse that tight off the layoff. And the Breeders Cup is the main objective and that is in late Oct or early Nov. So most horses that the public except to be the same old thing are not yet at peak performance condition . So when some thing like what you saw yesterday happens, it can make sense. And what you noticed is very true.

Keep that in your back pocket for use down the road.

January-Feb. and July-Aug. are the best months to look for what you saw yesterday as the two biggest times of the year are May and June for 3 year olds and Oct-Nov. for every age group and sex.

Hope that helps.

[str]

looks like I'm right and str is wrong

very weird for a guy to win a thread involving horseracing that doesn't bet horses against a guy with a horseracing avatar

Unlike you Rudy, I do not need to "win" threads here.

What I do is try and help people that want to learn the finer points of horse racing. Things like what is really going on while the race is running.

Having trained for 24 years, won over 1,000 races, been leading trainer and owner in Maryland, as well as leading % trainer multiple times, winning threads is kind of anticlimactic at this point in my life.

That horse in the avatar was one of mine. That's him winning his 8th in a row at Pimlico. Maybe you can see str written on his blinkers. Or, maybe not.

[str]

The silence is deafening.

Lol.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

str, full respect to anyone who can figure out correct odds on these races. Seemingly over my head, and the house take is significant.

My one question:

* As the horses come to the gate, do the trainers/jockeys instinctively know which horse is overpriced/underpriced?

Have heard some stories. The jock will look up on the tote-board and see "#3 at 3/5." Jock will say to himself "Wow, are they in for a surprise."

[Reload]

They said they would allow show wagers as long as the field was at least five horses. I'm sure the track would have coughed up quite a "marketing cost" if Arrogate hit the board.

[biggie12]

Str your better off not even replying its like talking to a wall

[newguy]

Str your better off not even replying its like talking to a wall

Disagree. Really was interesting to read that. I've bet on ponies in short spurts (used to be a OTB) across from a bar I
Used to go to - would run over at halftime bet on the next race to go and try and make some beer money. But always interesting to learn from seemingly knowledgeable folks even if the actual person they are responding to doesn't deserve a response.

So thanks either way STR and congrats on your successes in the field!!

[str]

str, full respect to anyone who can figure out correct odds on these races. Seemingly over my head, and the house take is significant.

My one question:

* As the horses come to the gate, do the trainers/jockeys instinctively know which horse is overpriced/underpriced?

Have heard some stories. The jock will look up on the tote-board and see "#3 at 3/5." Jock will say to himself "Wow, are they in for a surprise."

Full honesty here Chucky.

When I trained, I would look at the board most times, but not every time, and if the price was way off albeit up or down IMO, I would comment on it to whoever was with me. But betting was rare for me because of my other responsibilities.
As a full time trainer of 30 , 40, 60 horses, you just don't have the same mindset that the people that are there to wager have, That's what is hard for people to understand. Most fans think that the way they think is the way trainers and jocks think as well. In most cases, that is way off.
Case in point: I am watching my horse warm up, watching several other horses I am considering claiming warm up all in the approx. 7-8 minutes I have since arriving back in my box from the paddock. I don't have time to watch the odds and see what the exacta pays like I would if I was a fan. My job was a full time job. And if the owner was there, I was talking to them as well.
Now I, like you, see my share of trainers, that always want to bet. My answer is simple. You can't be both and be very good at either one. Either play around at the windows or, watch your horse , and other horses, and do your job.

As for jocks. I saddled over 7,000 starters and talked to the jock right after the race every time . Only one time did the rider comment on the price of the horse after the race. The horse paid 120.00 to win. He saw that and commented on it.

Does it happen, sure. But darn near everything does sometimes. Most of those stories are just that. Stories.

Thanks for the question. If you want to read my thread, it started 6 years ago and I have answered a ton of questions over the years. Check the Horse racing sub forum. You will see it. Feel free to ask a question anytime.

Hope that helped.

[str]

They said they would allow show wagers as long as the field was at least five horses. I'm sure the track would have coughed up quite a "marketing cost" if Arrogate hit the board.

I think you are right Reload.

[str]

Str your better off not even replying its like talking to a wall

Your right Biggie.

Thanks.

[str]

Disagree. Really was interesting to read that. I've bet on ponies in short spurts (used to be a OTB) across from a bar I
Used to go to - would run over at halftime bet on the next race to go and try and make some beer money. But always interesting to learn from seemingly knowledgeable folks even if the actual person they are responding to doesn't deserve a response.

So thanks either way STR and congrats on your successes in the field!!

Thanks Newguy. Please check out my long running thread in the horse sub forum.

A lot of interesting questions over the years. You might like it.

[5mike5]

I actually enjoyed the explanation as well

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Very good answer, str. I fully understand that if you're training the horses, that's your responsibility.

I've observed Horse-players. For the most part, they're terrible and will make up any reason to bet a race.