[stevenash]

Cleveland's priced to high, and I think I'm getting good value here at 2:1(almost)

Both teams offenses are pretty much equal, scoring on the average of about 4 3/4 runs a game apiece.
Of course Kluber is the better starter, but don't discount Fulmer, he's got that four pitch arsenal and that curve ball is devastating when it's on.

Kluber is Kluber, you know all about him, had an outstanding post season last season.
2014 Cy Young Award winner, yadda, yadda, yadda.

I'm not trying to sell anyone on Fulmer, but he's made 42 career starts now, he has a career (if you can call 1 1/2 years major league experience a career) ERA of 3.12 very solid pitching in the big bats league, a career WH/IP of 1.11
(rock solid again) strikes out about 8 per 9 innings, like I mentioned has nasty stuff.

One last item, I'm not going to debate anybody about BvP statistics, I'll say it one more time.
BvP statistics are an ancillary statistics used to back up your logic for betting a side.
It's not a go to stat, it's not the be all, end all stat, but it's useful when handicapping a game.

Having said that, do you think Detroit has had problems with Kluber in the past?

Detroit Tigers Career statistics vs. Corey Kluber
BATTER	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
Jim Adduci	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	.000	.000	.000	.000
Alex Avila	21	5	2	0	0	4	4	7	.238	.360	.333	.693
Miguel Cabrera	52	22	3	0	6	12	3	10	.423	.455	.827	1.281
Nicholas Castellanos	27	9	1	0	0	1	0	9	.333	.333	.370	.704
Jose Iglesias	13	2	1	0	0	0	0	1	.154	.267	.231	.497
Ian Kinsler	38	7	1	1	0	2	2	12	.184	.225	.263	.488
Victor Martinez	41	14	0	0	3	7	3	4	.341	.400	.561	.961
J.D. Martinez	26	8	1	0	2	4	0	5	.308	.308	.577	.885
James McCann	9	0	0	0	0	0	2	3	.000	.182	.000	.182
Alex Presley	8	2	0	0	0	0	1	2	.250	.333	.250	.583
Andrew Romine	16	3	2	0	0	1	1	3	.188	.235	.313	.548
Justin Upton	13	5	2	0	3	6	4	6	.385	.529	1.231	1.760
Totals	266	77	13	1	14	37	20	62	.289	.346	.504	.850

Only one in the lineup tonight that has had problems with Kluber is Kinsler.
And sorry if you are not a fan of the BvP, but 266 at bats is a huge sample size.

Not saying it's a lock, not saying it's a slam dunk, what I am saying is Fulmer is
more than capable of throwing strike for strike with Kluber and the Tiger bats are
more than capable of out hitting the Indians bats.

+195 is value here.
A lot of value.

Pass, fade or tail, it's a good.

[Bigbill365]

Took them at that with betpoints

[Bigbill365]

10.90 era vs tigers lol

[Fidel_CashFlow]

only thing that scares me off the +200 value is this

DATE	OPPONENT	RESULT	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	GB	FB	TBF	Pit	Dec.	Rel.	ERA
07/04	vs SD	L 0-1	8.0	5	1	1	0	1	10	10	8	29	107	L(7-3)	--	2.85
06/29	vs TEX	W 5-1	8.0	3	1	1	1	1	12	8	6	27	111	W(7-2)	--	3.02
06/24	vs MIN	L 2-4	7.0	3	2	0	0	2	13	6	6	27	106	--	--	3.24
06/19	@ BAL	W 12-0	9.0	3	0	0	0	0	11	14	5	30	108	W(6-2)	--	3.58

Klubers last 4 starts are vicious

Then it makes you want to consider the under 8 with 2 pitchers on their game

but thats a tricky number in baseball , and both teams running pretty much all their starters out there

So .... got ants in my pants to bet on the Sunday night game but im not sure yet

Good luck though Nash

[lakerboy]

On them as well. Gl nash

[pilebuck13]

Ask yourself Nash when has a -215 favorite list on Sunday night baseball?
Priced high for a reason. Sure the tigers can win but check it out there bullpen is absolutely horrendous I can't back them on this alone. Good luck though bro I'm laying it on the tribe -1.5. Your discounting the Detroit bullpen.

[jjgold]

Detroit quit they might be the worst team in the American League

[funnyb25]

Was tempted to play the Over here

[stevenash]

Ask yourself Nash when has a -215 favorite list on Sunday night baseball?
Priced high for a reason. Sure the tigers can win but check it out there bullpen is absolutely horrendous I can't back them on this alone. Good luck though bro I'm laying it on the tribe -1.5. Your discounting the Detroit bullpen.

No, I factored in the shoddy Detroit leaky pen, I believe that's the reason why Cleveland is -215 instead of -180.

My wager is based on Fulmer going deep into the game, if so I think I get to the cashiers window.
Anytime you wager a dog at +200 it comes with land mines, I'm what you call a spot underdog bettor, I don't drool over every +200 game on the card, I pick my spots, I think this is a good spot.

If Fulmer gets singled to death early, their lineup is good at that, peck, peck, peck than my spot play becomes a shit play.

[CantFeelMyFace]

I didnt see this thread and made my own but I agree with you Nash. Lots of value on Tigers here. I got them at +203 i believe.

[Shute]

Detroit quit they might be the worst team in the American League

Nobody quits before all star break
What is wrong with you?

[pilebuck13]

No, I factored in the shoddy Detroit leaky pen, I believe that's the reason why Cleveland is -215 instead of -180.

My wager is based on Fulmer going deep into the game, if so I think I get to the cashiers window.
Anytime you wager a dog at +200 it comes with land mines, I'm what you call a spot underdog bettor, I don't drool over every +200 game on the card, I pick my spots, I think this is a good spot.

If Fulmer gets singled to death early, their lineup is good at that, peck, peck, peck than my spot play becomes a shit play.

I hear yah Nash good luck man. Tremendous call if it hits.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

ended up going with Tigers man. +197

I think we got a shot Nashy

[DigBick86]

on the over lets cash this mf

[TheMoneyShot]

It's all on Fulmer's shoulders... guy loves to compete within himself.

I can't speak for the rest on the team though.

Mark my words.... start fading the Tigers after All Star Break. Team is getting old.... and they are showing signs of not caring.

[unde0087]

Was waiting on a game to throw my SBR freeplay on, I will tail you nasher on this one. Let get it.

[unde0087]

Fuk, nevermind, I missed the boat on this one

[Otters27]

Good luck I am on the Indians

[stevenash]

Very impressed with Ryan Blakney so far this game (home plate umpire)
He's been spot on every call.

Yes, he's the same Ryan Blakney that tossed Red Sox manager John Farrell on balk call.

And the very same Ryan Blakney that once punched out Luis Valbuena on a 2 ball 1 strike pitch that he called strike 3. Valbuena turned to Blakney and said "whoa, that's strike two" Blakney said "yeah I know, that's my strike two call"

[DR225]

That Upton strikeout hurts...

[jjgold]

Getting approximate 200 at least you're still in the game going to the sixth inning

[Fidel_CashFlow]

Well got KLUBER out after 5

i knew Upton would do nothing with bases loaded

don't care what his average Is with RISP I never see him come thru

was pissed when lefty Avila walked to bring Upton up

Put ourselves in good position @ + 200 to sneak a nice doggy win in

[pilebuck13]

Yah got kluber out of there fulmer pitching well hope he can make it threw the 8th for you

[stevenash]

I love these first five innings bets where you get + money on a push.

Ticket	Accepted Date	Risk	To Win	Amount Paid	Status	Wager
447352298-1	7/9/17 7:49pm	$80.00	$96.00	$176.00	Win	7/9/17 8:05pm MLB Baseball 923 Detroit Tigers 1st 5 Innings +½ +120* vs Cleveland Indians (M Fulmer - R must Start C Kluber - R must Start

Now to complete the daily double.

[stevenash]

Here we go, set up like a bowling pin.
Two on, one out, and Nick the Greek at the plate.
One time here Nick, one time!

[DR225]

Double play incoming to screw us over.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

Bases loaded again for 2nd straight inning
they don't get a run here I got a bad feeling

[DR225]

That was lucky!!!

[stevenash]

Suh-weet!

[Fidel_CashFlow]

Fair by the length of jjgolds dikk

[DR225]

Now sac another run and I"ll start getting confident.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

Let's get more

[DR225]

That was a strange hit. I think I'm using up all my luck on this game.

[stevenash]

Let's get more

This !!!!

[Fidel_CashFlow]

Kinsler with some ugly swings tonight

heres the shithead again with bases loaded