[seaborneq]

They don't look that good. What am I missing here????

[goduke]

not missing anything. absolute dead money. Most likely wont even get out of the first weekend

[jtoler]

Hard to believe, dont see why.

[seaborneq]

Must be the Ball hype

[Cuse0323]

I think a team from the West wins it finally. UCLA looks pretty damn good.

[seaborneq]

I think a team from the West wins it finally. UCLA looks pretty damn good.

Why not Arizona?

[jjgold]

UCLA pounding everyone lately

Of course they are favs

[jtoler]

You need defense, 3 pt shooting, depth and good coaching to win. UCLA's offense is more their defense perhaps and team not really deep. With that said there isnt really a team that on paper sets themselves apart, its a toss up.

[funnyb25]

Need Leaf back healthy. Very important piece

[Cuse0323]

Why not Arizona?

They would be West as well. I like their chances too.

[jtoler]

Zona may have too many freshmen, think UCLA is better than them, they beat UCLA on road earlier but Bruins come in and smack them around on senior night, cant have that happen.

[JIBBBY]

Leaf with the ankle sprain might change those odds in a hurry.. Looked like a bad roll too.. I know I just had that happen to me.. Been a week and I still can't run on it..

[stevek173]

Zona may have too many freshmen, think UCLA is better than them, they beat UCLA on road earlier but Bruins come in and smack them around on senior night, cant have that happen.

Very sharp post, exactly on point.

Zona DOES have too many frosh and has massively exceeded expectations in every facet. Even coach Miller said going in that he didn't know if they'd make the tourney, and let's keep in mind that they went the first 19 games without their best player in Trier. This is why coach Miller is likely going to get coach of the year, what an unbelievable job BUT we all know they have to go to the final four for this year to be called a true success.

UCLA has had the best offense in the game for awhile now but in the latest matchup with Zona they showed that they can play D if they need to as well, against one of the better half court teams in the nation.

As a Zona fan I wasn't pleased to see them lose but I almost think they did themselves a big favor if it leads to them getting the #2 seed out West as opposed to a #1 elsewhere. We get those Tuscon fans following the Cats come tourney time, going crazy and getting the freshmen psyched up with good energy and the sky is the limit.
To me UCLA being a favorite makes sense, and Nova should be right behind them.

[trytrytry]

Usually by now you would have the horse racing expert or the more formal gambling guy scolding you for calling UCLA and ODDS on favorite, which they are not.


UCLA very nice team I think.

[BigOrange]

Very sharp post, exactly on point.

Zona DOES have too many frosh and has massively exceeded expectations in every facet. Even coach Miller said going in that he didn't know if they'd make the tourney, and let's keep in mind that they went the first 19 games without their best player in Trier. This is why coach Miller is likely going to get coach of the year, what an unbelievable job BUT we all know they have to go to the final four for this year to be called a true success.

UCLA has had the best offense in the game for awhile now but in the latest matchup with Zona they showed that they can play D if they need to as well, against one of the better half court teams in the nation.

As a Zona fan I wasn't pleased to see them lose but I almost think they did themselves a big favor if it leads to them getting the #2 seed out West as opposed to a #1 elsewhere. We get those Tuscon fans following the Cats come tourney time, going crazy and getting the freshmen psyched up with good energy and the sky is the limit.
To me UCLA being a favorite makes sense, and Nova should be right behind them.

Good to see Steve-O back!

[INVEGA MAN]

One of many

[jjgold]

NC or Kansas other two powers

[Machine Choice]

UNC, Kansas, WV, Nova are the teams to beat. UCLA is in the second tier.

[unde0087]

Considering a Pac 12 team hasn't sniffed the final 4 in over a decade, let alone a team full of freshmen, I doubt it. We hear the same shit every year about 1 or 2 Pac 12 teams that are just so so so good then they are no where to be found a few rounds into the tournament. Not very tough to look great or have a great record when you only play 2 other teams that are worth a shit in conference.

[funnyb25]

Could see 3 pac 12 teams as 2 seeds

[Jayvegas420]

Considering a Pac 12 team hasn't sniffed the final 4 in over a decade, let alone a team full of freshmen, I doubt it. We hear the same shit every year about 1 or 2 Pac 12 teams that are just so so so good then they are no where to be found a few rounds into the tournament. Not very tough to look great or have a great record when you only play 2 other teams that are worth a shit in conference.

I was explaining this, almost verbatim, to a friend yesterday!

[DOM_Toretto]

...Everyone in here talking about UCLA and Arizona, but fail to mention the Best in the West - Oregon.

I think Oregon is a final four team but idk if they win it all.

[DOM_Toretto]

Considering a Pac 12 team hasn't sniffed the final 4 in over a decade, let alone a team full of freshmen, I doubt it. We hear the same shit every year about 1 or 2 Pac 12 teams that are just so so so good then they are no where to be found a few rounds into the tournament. Not very tough to look great or have a great record when you only play 2 other teams that are worth a shit in conference.

I see what you're saying Unde, but to say a PAC team hasn't sniffed a final four? Oregon was Elite Eight last year and I'm pretty sure Zona was a couple seasons ago.

I do think this season the PAC 12 is so awful outside of the top 3 that it's possibly making them seem better than they are. Throw an Iowa State, a Minnesota, a Louisville or Florida State into the PAC 12 and all of a sudden UCLA, Zona & Oregon aren't looking quite so much like world beaters.

[RangeFinder]

UCLA is the most talented team in the country right now. Oddsmakers have it right.. They are deep, can go big or small, and are very quick. They can get underneath the hoop on anybody. They also go on big runs which kills their opponent.

[PaperTrail07]

good team...sure.....odds on favorite lol.....100% NO

UCLA is the most talented team in the country right now. Oddsmakers have it right.. They are deep, can go big or small, and are very quick. They can get underneath the hoop on anybody. They also go on big runs which kills their opponent.

[PaperTrail07]

Gonna be one of the usual taking it down again lol...

I see what you're saying Unde, but to say a PAC team hasn't sniffed a final four? Oregon was Elite Eight last year and I'm pretty sure Zona was a couple seasons ago.

I do think this season the PAC 12 is so awful outside of the top 3 that it's possibly making them seem better than they are. Throw an Iowa State, a Minnesota, a Louisville or Florida State into the PAC 12 and all of a sudden UCLA, Zona & Oregon aren't looking quite so much like world beaters.

[CWD]

wait till conf tourney closes if they still 6-1 well worth a BIG bet

have feeling could be 4-1 ish if they win out - this team a lot more than hype they are for real

[seaborneq]

wait till conf tourney closes if they still 6-1 well worth a BIG bet

have feeling could be 4-1 ish if they win out - this team a lot more than hype they are for real

There are quite a few teams that can run and gun against UCLA in the big 12. If UCLA is ALL offense and little defense a team like OK st and Iowa St would give them hell

[CWD]

There are quite a few teams that can run and gun against UCLA in the big 12. If UCLA is ALL offense and little defense a team like OK st and Iowa St would give them hell

very doubtful but time will tell

[bleedgreen]

Have you guys seen them play?

Ive watched them all year.

Best offense I have seen in a very long time. too good. they're in the elite eight easy.

[bleedgreen]

wait till conf tourney closes if they still 6-1 well worth a BIG bet

have feeling could be 4-1 ish if they win out - this team a lot more than hype they are for real

I have them +1500 very happy


Ball hype is no lie. how will he be in the pros? time will tell…….but I can tell you one thing for a fact……he will be in total control, 2 ways, of every game in march...

[gojetsgomoxies]

Usually by now you would have the horse racing expert or the more formal gambling guy scolding you for calling UCLA and ODDS on favorite, which they are not
.

+1 you beat me to it. not remotely close to odds-on fave.

ucla seems to be one of a bunch of a large bunch of teams in 7 to 10 to 1 odds range.

[jjgold]

UCLA
NC
Kansas

I would think one of these win -120

[stevek173]

Good to see Steve-O back!

Good to see you as well man.

[Cuse0323]

No one from the Big 12 will win. Pac 12, UNC. Maybe someone else from the B1G, ACC, or I guess Florida out of the SEC.