[sam9ball]

2/28	Team World					Team USA					Team Confederates					Team Canada
1	Stifler	1200	4		1	blankoblanco	1855	5		1	JAKEPEAVY21	1190	4		1	BeerDog99	1200	6
2	dare	1075	5		2	chili_powder	1695	6		2	mayberry	1180	7		2	vbpro7	1095	3
3	Enkhbat	845	4		3	sportfan	1615	4		3	Bigorange	1175	5		3	HomerSimpson2	870	3
4	pabonaparte	820	5		4	BiTeMeUsAdOj	1580	5		4	kidk	1150	8		4	aggieshawn	795	4
5	Stefan	775	9		5	JediMindPicks	1395	6		5	toughone	1115	4		5	bracerman	600	1
6	Mannyfan	720	5		6	TheGiant	1355	6		6	MrKLC	1090	7		6	MillerTime99	600	1
7	spider	665	8		7	lobo369	1345	6		7	blackbart	1065	5		7	dogkatcher	545	5
8	dhristov211	640	4		8	carolinadaze	1320	6		8	turtlejc	1055	4		8	wazsx	355	4
9	Spacefrog	640	2		9	GaryDN	1270	7		9	yisman	1005	5		9	sinmiedo	325	2
10	qukubau	630	3		10	craigpb	1265	11		10	astro61200	950	4		10	JoeyBagels	320	5
11	mobypulido	600	1		11	oiler	1265	6		11	Cross	950	3		11	inthemoney	250	1
12	katstale	595	4		12	downsouth	1200	2		12	qwertvt	930	7		12	jayvegas420	250	1

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Sammy any chance we can get a FULL list of players and their totals? Would be curious to see how many US Players there are as opposed to the others

[sam9ball]

Sammy any chance we can get a FULL list of players and their totals? Would be curious to see how many US Players there are as opposed to the others

1	blankoblanco	1855	5		United States
2	chili_powder	1695	6		United States
3	sportfan	1615	4		United States
4	BiTeMeUsAdOj	1580	5		United States
5	JediMindPicks	1395	6		United States
6	TheGiant	1355	6		United States
7	lobo369	1345	6		United States
8	carolinadaze	1320	6		United States
9	GaryDN	1270	7		United States
10	craigpb	1265	11		United States
11	oiler	1265	6		United States
12	BeerDog99	1200	6		Canada
13	downsouth	1200	2		United States
14	Stifler	1200	4		Germany
15	JAKEPEAVY21	1190	4		United States
16	mayberry	1180	7		United States
17	Bigorange	1175	5		United States
18	kidk	1150	8		United States
19	toughone	1115	4		United States
20	vbpro7	1095	3		Canada
21	MrKLC	1090	7		United States
22	dare	1075	5		Germany
23	blackbart	1065	5		United States
24	turtlejc	1055	4		United States
25	yisman	1005	5		United States
26	astro61200	950	4		United States
27	Cross	950	3		United States
28	qwertvt	930	7		United States
29	TheHOFF	930	4		United States
30	bobbywaves	925	3		United States
31	frankzig	890	4		United States
32	5mike5	885	5		United States
33	franklee168	880	5		United States
34	HomerSimpson2	870	3		Canada
35	4uk4life	860	6		United States
36	Enkhbat	845	4		Mongolia
37	ArunSh	830	3		United States
38	oneunder	820	4		United States
39	pabonaparte	820	5		Cyprus
40	codone69	815	7		United States
41	pokerpro44	810	3		United States
42	aggieshawn	795	4		Canada
43	Stefan	775	9		Germany
44	mpaschal34	770	5		United States
45	b1slickguy	760	4		United States
46	TheMoneyShot	755	6		United States
47	mikemca	750	4		United States
48	milwaukee_mike	750	2		United States
49	shane	750	3		United States
50	Mannyfan	720	5		Philippines
51	JayTris07	710	3		United States
52	uscphillyguy	705	4		United States
53	k6mike9	695	3		United States
54	deadphish	690	3		United States
55	slanina	690	5		United States
56	msutter	680	2		United States
57	pokerdevil	670	2		United States
58	spider	665	8		Greece
59	MalikHusam	650	2		United States
60	thechaoz	650	2		United States
61	dhristov211	640	4		Bulgaria
62	Spacefrog	640	2		Portugal
63	Jrod124	630	3		United States
64	qukubau	630	3		Romania
65	bracerman	600	1		Canada
66	brock	600	1		United States
67	MillerTime99	600	1		Canada
68	mobypulido	600	1		Mexico
69	spurginobili1	600	1		United States
70	stuler	600	1		United States
71	tatddy	600	1		United States
72	katstale	595	4		Nicaragua
73	tradeout	595	5		Korea, Republic of
74	Diesel79	575	8		Estonia
75	Manosdepiedra	575	3		Panama
76	Capybara	565	3		United States
77	dogkatcher	545	5		Canada
78	gunslinger572	540	4		United States
79	jack_matz	515	4		United States
80	ronpaul2008	515	3		United States
81	MonitorTan	510	5		United States
82	Lex_icon	500	6		Brazil
83	AutoDonk	490	4		United States
84	smitch124	490	4		United States
85	bigdaddyjames	475	3		United States
86	goduke	475	3		United States
87	Grivas_Digeni	475	3		Cyprus
88	empiremaker	470	5		United States
89	hostiletakeover	455	2		United States
90	quangx	450	3		United States
91	chico2663	440	5		United States
92	zwoeins	440	4		Germany
93	cabo	430	3		United States
94	hhsilver	430	5		United States
95	BennyProfane1	425	2		United States
96	Brainfreeze	415	4		United States
97	dankelly	400	3		United States
98	Fieldysnuts44	400	2		United States
99	boscokid	375	1		United States
100	brady_24	375	1		United States
101	Fidel_CashFlow	375	1		United States
102	xxxRichiexxx	375	1		United States
103	playersonly69	370	2		United States
104	BetOnUnderdogs	360	4		Moldova, Republic of
105	Igor_1965	355	4		Ukraine
106	lolbear	355	3		United States
107	wazsx	355	4		Canada
108	panamabrad	350	4		Panama
109	convick	340	4		United States
110	imack	340	4		Australia
111	sinmiedo	325	2		Canada
112	JoeyBagels	320	5		Canada
113	sammygran	310	3		United States
114	unde0087	310	2		United States
115	inspirited	300	2		United States
116	jayfly	295	2		United States
117	jackpot269	285	3		United States
118	d2bets	280	4		United States
119	dlowilly	280	4		United States
120	Triple_D_Bet	280	4		United States
121	oChRoNiCo	270	4		United States
122	reigle9	260	3		United States
123	Basement	255	2		United States
124	bsmmenon	255	2		India
125	Carseller4	250	1		United States
126	inthemoney	250	1		Canada
127	jayvegas420	250	1		Canada
128	konck	250	1		United States
129	sportsbetter21	250	1		United States
130	Crypt1	240	3		United States
131	OldSchoolGambler	235	2		Panama
132	DGG23	230	3		Spain
133	no1here	230	2		United States
134	mw00	225	2		United States
135	iamamonkey	220	2		United States
136	slikec	215	2		Slovenia
137	startm	205	2		Ukraine
138	sportsfanatic	200	2		Canada
139	zjohnzzz	200	2		United States
140	taz01	190	2		Romania
141	cankid	180	3		Canada
142	eberetta1	180	4		United States
143	sbr_guest_pro	180	2		United States
144	big_joe_1212	175	1		United States
145	horja1	175	1		Romania
146	Kinglito	175	1		United States
147	stevenash	175	1		United States
148	sweethook	175	1		United States
149	BestPlay2day	170	3		United States
150	brndg23	150	1		United States
151	ChuckyTheGoat	150	2		United States
152	joeking99	150	2		United States
153	kkekuc1	150	1		Norway
154	shadowfox	150	1		United States
155	70kgman	120	1		United States
156	firekillex	120	2		Canada
157	garvardntl	120	2		Bulgaria
158	Krashman	120	2		Canada
159	snapperman2	120	1		Canada
160	Ryman	100	2		United States
161	secretstash	100	2		United States
162	BigDaddy	90	2		United States
163	Czu81	80	1		Hungary
164	dralexicdr	80	2		Serbia
165	russianrocket	80	1		United States
166	vladfan	80	1		United States
167	Dipper30	70	1		Canada
168	GUMMO77	70	1		United States
169	pimpbeckham	70	1		Croatia
170	riodinero	70	1		United States
171	thetrinity	70	1		United States
172	funnyb25	60	1		Canada
173	mrleisure	60	1		United States
174	ninjagorn	60	1		Slovenia
175	sandos139	60	1		United States
176	beavis13	50	1		United States
177	BigDeem5	50	1		United States
178	brooks85	50	1		United States
179	DJDalamar	50	1		United States
180	eSTOXX	50	1		Moldova, Republic of
181	gmoney355	50	1		United States
182	promiseland	50	1		United States
183	kidcudi92	40	1		United States
184	moojoo	40	1		Serbia
185	chipup	30	1		United States
186	eddycash	30	1		United States
187	Soxsfan9	30	1		Canada
188	WILDMAN35	30	1		Canada

[5mike5]

30 of top 35 players in the US

[5mike5]

Oh and the entire top 10

Actually have to cash more than 1 time every 10 tourneys for team US

[USCPHILLYGUY]

So 131 of the 188 players listed are vying for the 24 US spots and 57 are vying for the other 24 World / Canadian spots.......

Seems fair

[5mike5]

So 131 of the 188 players listed are vying for the 24 US spots and 57 are vying for the other 24 World / Canadian spots.......

Seems fair

makes 0 sense

[mpaschal34]

So 131 of the 188 players listed are vying for the 24 US spots and 57 are vying for the other 24 World / Canadian spots.......

Seems fair

Philly....you are a white male. According to every other person that is NOT a white male, you already have all the privileges in the world.

What you are facing here is what every non-white male/female feels everyday in their life.

[funnyb25]

Glitch in the software? Not only am I not in or from Canada, I've never even been to Canada

[qwertvt]

Thank you Sammy.

[spider]

This is a "World" team competition. Only the BEST players from each country playing as a team against other countries.

It has nothing to do with fair, or percentages. Everyone has their trials or qualifying events and the teams are made up.

There is only ONE U.S. team in Davis Cup, only ONE U.S. team in Ryder Cup, only ONE U.S. team in Olympics (per sport), only ONE U.S. team in soccer World Cup, only ONE U.S. team in hockey World Cup, and the list goes on and on.

In fact , U.S. should have only ONE team in the this poker championship.

And for those with short memories, I can remind them that Team Canada last year, with its short list of players and low qualifying scores did win the final, and Team World finished second.

[5mike5]

i think the point is u don't even have to try to make the other teams. Just show up and u get a spot type of thing. Unlike US players if u don't do well and play daily u have no chance. If ur a non US player u make the team just by showing up. Participation 1 time a week and ur in

[USCPHILLYGUY]

This is a "World" team competition. Only the BEST players from each country playing as a team against other countries.

It has nothing to do with fair, or percentages. Everyone has their trials or qualifying events and the teams are made up.

There is only ONE U.S. team in Davis Cup, only ONE U.S. team in Ryder Cup, only ONE U.S. team in Olympics (per sport), only ONE U.S. team in soccer World Cup, only ONE U.S. team in hockey World Cup, and the list goes on and on.

In fact , U.S. should have only ONE team in the this poker championship.

And for those with short memories, I can remind them that Team Canada last year, with its short list of players and low qualifying scores did win the final, and Team World finished second.

says the guy in 58th errr I mean 7th place

i currently have MORE points than you. Are you better than me?

[jackpot269]

I could not find myself on this on this list! Is it supposed to be all that have won points on poker?

[downsouth]

I've pitched a top 48 draft format with same cup structure for years. Got closer than ever this year. Maybe eventually

[spider]

says the guy in 58th errr I mean 7th place

i currently have MORE points than you. Are you better than me?

no philly, I'm not better than you. these standings only reflect the qualifying process of the first 11 days out of a total of 78 days, where the teams will be formed to play in the finals.

a better evaluation would be the yearly leaderboard, but even that is only 2 months old,
and I don't expect to hold on to my current #2 standing.
hopefully I can repeat last year's finish in the top 15.

[Auto Donk]

I say we say fuk the qualifiying altogether and just pick the top qualifiers not by the stupid meaningless yearly board or the stupid f'n qualifying standings, but rather choose by something that truly matters in life......

dick size.....

I think we know who's definitely in, and who's not......


sorry, JJ......

[Slanina]

I think the best way to keep this format is to change it just a bit. And still keep the Cup name.

I'm thinking North American continent and Team World. That'll give 36 slots to US and Canadian players. And 12 slots still for World.

12 out of 19 Canadian players make it. 63% chance.

24 out of 131 US players make it. 18% chance.

Those numbers arent even in the same city, let alone same Ballpark.


So if we combine them, it becomes 24% chance for everyone.


Not hating on Canadian players at all. No blame goes to them. It's this outdated format that takes all blame.

[Optional]

Glitch in the software? Not only am I not in or from Canada, I've never even been to Canada

Shoot a PM to Sam or SBR Forum and let them know.

[funnyb25]

Shoot a PM to Sam or SBR Forum and let them know.

Ya, I messaged Sam a while ago....looking into it

[sinmiedo]

Canadian players must also go trough a big filter of players to qualify, and this is what it is, a qualifying round, like any professional sport event.
Good luck to all

[sam9ball]

Shoot a PM to Sam or SBR Forum and let them know.

Already aware of the issue.

[bobbywaves]

Already aware of the issue.

Slanina has good idea getting rid of Canada team & adding a North America Continent team comprised of any Canadians or Americans ranked 25-36 overall, this makes it more fair for the majority of Americans who play. The other 3 teams remaining the same. Thanks for looking into it Sammy.

[bobbywaves]

Canadian players must also go trough a big filter of players to qualify

[Auto Donk]

wildest thing about learning where some of the "world" contingent is located, is that I never pictured Diesel wearing a purple smock and funny purple hat and lookin' like an Estonian (also known as "Elbonians" in the Delbert cartoon strip).....

[Grivas_Digeni]

says the guy in 58th errr I mean 7th place
i currently have MORE points than you. Are you better than me?

Who cares? I'd price spider -150 in any single H2H match against you. Get the drift?

[bobbywaves]

Who cares?

Americans care. Can't you grasp that American players are at a qualifying disadvantage, under the current format?

I'd price spider -150 in any single H2H match against you. Get the drift?

I'd price Philly -150 H2H over you, what's your point?

[BeerDog99]

The short sighted nature of some of the people who comment about the unfairness of this structure is very amusing but also now a very tired point that has been made many times.

Just because the majority of the players in SBR poker are US players, does not mean SBR should only focus on US players. If US players want a circle jerk of a contest with only US players then go ahead and ask SBR.

If I am not mistaken, because of the draconian and anti-freedom laws in the US against sportsbetting, the bulk of the $$ coming into SBR is from non-US posters. Therefore, I believe SBR is trying to cater and encourage a diverse cross section of posters for a fun and FREE contest.

All that said, personally, I would support changing of this tourney structure like what DS states but SBR has heard all of the bitching and useful suggestions and they continue with same structure.

[USCPHILLYGUY]

The short sighted nature of some of the people who comment about the unfairness of this structure is very amusing but also now a very tired point that has been made many times.

Just because the majority of the players in SBR poker are US players, does not mean SBR should only focus on US players. If US players want a circle jerk of a contest with only US players then go ahead and ask SBR.

If I am not mistaken, because of the draconian and anti-freedom laws in the US against sportsbetting, the bulk of the $$ coming into SBR is from non-US posters. Therefore, I believe SBR is trying to cater and encourage a diverse cross section of posters for a fun and FREE contest.

All that said, personally, I would support changing of this tourney structure like what DS states but SBR has heard all of the bitching and useful suggestions and they continue with same structure.

contradict yourself much

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Who cares? I'd price spider -150 in any single H2H match against you. Get the drift?

I'd probably pass on any action your booking since I believe it took you about 5 months to pay on all the World Cup bets you took last time around

[oiler]

yeah well not really much they can do

[sinmiedo]

Slanina has good idea getting rid of Canada team & adding a North America Continent team comprised of any Canadians or Americans ranked 25-36 overall, this makes it more fair for the majority of Americans who play. The other 3 teams remaining the same. Thanks for looking into it Sammy.

In other words, you need Canada to win something.

[BeerDog99]

contradict yourself much

While I was tired and I am definitely not the smartest guy around, exactly how do I contradict myself?

[USCPHILLYGUY]

While I was tired and I am definitely not the smartest guy around, exactly how do I contradict myself?

BD I love ya pal and not trying to get into a pissing match when it come to all this....I'm the last guy who would trash SBR Poker as have been to TWO bashes on their dime and cashed 1600 in the tourney....the site is amazing and I take the poker for what it is.....90% of the guys here only play online and really don't have a strategy on how to play.....although I don't know the math when it comes to the $$ non US posters bring into SBR I can figure out the math that 75% of the poker players are US players and if they stopped playing, the poker room would be a ghost town.....we can both agree that the format, as it stands now, is not fair to US players....I'll continue to grind as my time allows it but with the warmer weather approaching, the 12-15 hour work days will as well......good luck to all

[BeerDog99]

Hi USC, back at you. I too am not getting into a pissing match here.

I just would like people recognize that SBR is doing what it thinks is the best for the entire community and for their business.

There is no question that the US players make the largest percentage of players in the poker room. No questioning that.

Not to devolve the points, but I would also say incidentally that is (in my opinion) also why it is generally harder for the non-US players to actually cash in each of these turbo tournies. The sheer size of the US players vs non-US players would effectively skew the US player cashing amounts.

Given laws in the US, I am pretty sure I am accurate that the larger amount of real $$ that SBR gets in is from non-US posters.

Those are two different points and are not contradictory.