[pavyracer]

If Brady loses this week they will blame it on the injuries but not on him.

If Manning loses this week they would blame it on Manning.

Why does Brady get a pass on sub par performances?

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Because most people are fools who rate players based on championships.

[JayDr3am]

If Brady loses this week they will blame it on the injuries but not on him.

If Manning loses this week they would blame it on Manning.

Why does Brady get a pass on sub par performances?

because brady, is brady. duh

[Ted Sheckler]

Because most people are fools who rate players based on championships.

Couldn't agree more, unless we're talking about Tennis, then go ahead and rate players based on Grand Slam Wins.

[t-wizzle]

Manning has a healthy o-line, two excellent receivers, two good Running backs, and the best defense in the league.

Brady has an offensive line that is in shambles, his two best receivers are hurt, two top running backs done for the year, and a good defense.

Don't be stupid paver. I know that's hard for you.

[R.P. McMurphy]

Wizzle gets it here Manning has much better cast that are healthy! Agree with Drunkhorse as well don't just go by rings lot of gray area there. Without question though at this stage Brady far superior player.

[pavyracer]

Who is the better cast?
Manning has Thomas and Brady has Gronkowski. They have equal talent in other positions.

[t-wizzle]

Who is the better cast?
Manning has Thomas and Brady has Gronkowski. They have equal talent in other positions.

You choose one player for each team after I just laid out the entire supporting cast. Lol.

Oh and Gronk is in the hospital for his knee.

[Snowball]

Oh and Gronk is in the hospital for his knee.

typical Belichick move. Send Gronk to hospital for "injections",
instruct buddies to bet Pats as line drops. Gronk scores 2 TD's,
and we still don't know where Bill's black eye came from.
Were the boxing gloves just a prop later ? you never know
with Bill Belichick. He is a master of deception.
I wonder what kind of subterfuge Kraft mafia has in store for K.C.

[Naz18]

Who says Brady is gonna get a pass? lets see how he performs, but losing many players on offense due to injuries is a pretty legitimate excuse if he has an below average game. He will probably get a pass because he usually comes good, even with no name players on offense.

Manning on the other hand has had some bad games in the playoffs in his career with an healthy offense.

[slacker00]

Where can I bet this Brady/Peyton prop? What are the odds? When is it graded? What's going on here?

[Snowball]

Brady VS Manning

I am pumped for this game.
You know it's ON like :

[pavyracer]

Gronk in the hospital is just smokescreen. Brady told him to go there so if they lose he will have an excuse. Russell Wilson won a Superbowl without a TE and WRs.

[44 Mag]

Gronk in the hospital is just smokescreen. Brady told him to go there so if they lose he will have an excuse. Russell Wilson won a Superbowl without a TE and WRs.

Clown.

[MickeyMan]

Pavyracer gets dumber by the day I swear

[R.P. McMurphy]

Hes not very bright but from basic X/O's spot look who both are facing. Manning with best overall defense possibly in football vs Steelers with a possible shit backup QB, best receiver may not play, best backs out. While Brady and his makeshift beat to shit offense play a very formidable defense who can get after the QB. KC likely won't have Maclin but still have their starting QB healthy who is in a zone right now. Obvious advantage to Manning if he just doesn't fukk up and throw 4 picks.

[Snowball]

Obvious advantage to Manning if he just doesn't fukk up and throw 4 picks.

Hopefully the forehead is bright enough to ease into it and not be a hero.
Denver is so much more fit and ready for this game than Pittsburgh is.
Like you said.. just be Trent Dilfer. It's ok, Peyton.

[Ted Sheckler]

Hopefully the forehead is bright enough to ease into it and not be a hero.
Denver is so much more fit and ready for this game than Pittsburgh is.
Like you said.. just be Trent Dilfer. It's ok, Peyton.

As long as he doesn't try and throw a 3 route at 12 mph and the CB has all the time in the world to cut under and take it to the house, I think he'll be fine.

[Goat Milk]

Gronk in the hospital is just smokescreen. Brady told him to go there so if they lose he will have an excuse. Russell Wilson won a Superbowl without a TE and WRs.

Behind the best defense in NFL history and a top 15 RB in NFL history.

Big names are everything. Peyton has a better overall team than Brady, not even a question. More big names. Simple. Study up.

[NavsPicks]

Firm believer that if tony dungy stayed for all of Peyton's career he would've had many more rings.

[Goat Milk]

Firm believer that if tony dungy stayed for all of Peyton's career he would've had many more rings.

How many more rings? Peyton is a notorious choker in the playoffs except when he plays the Pats.

He threw 2 pick 6's in 2 superbowls bro.

His STACKED Broncos team got abused by Seattle defense -- the same exact defense that Brady DESTROYED the very next year.

THE SAME EXACT DEFENSE....NOT 1 PLAYER DIFFERENT except a shitty ass Brandon Browner.

[NavsPicks]

How many more rings? Peyton is a notorious choker in the playoffs except when he plays the Pats.

He threw 2 pick 6's in 2 superbowls bro.

His STACKED Broncos team got abused by Seattle defense -- the same exact defense that Brady DESTROYED the very next year.

THE SAME EXACT DEFENSE....NOT 1 PLAYER DIFFERENT except a shitty ass Brandon Browner.

Same defense lol. The team Peyton versued was night and day compared to the team Brady got to vs.

Without a doubt the colts would've beat the saints if they had competent coaching. That coaching staff relied on Peyton manning more than their own coaching skills.. He was the coach that year. People seem to forget 2/4 of Brady's rings were gifted to him.

[Ted Sheckler]

All you have to look at is Tom Brady has 9 playoff game winning drives vs Mannings 1. We know who performs better in the playoffs with the game on the line.

[NavsPicks]

All you have to look at is Tom Brady has 9 playoff game winning drives vs Mannings 1. We know who performs better in the playoffs with the game on the line.

New England Patriots > Indianapolis Colts / Denver Broncos. With that logic Eli must be the clutchest qb to ever live ?

[smith131]

Gronk in the hospital is just smokescreen. Brady told him to go there so if they lose he will have an excuse. Russell Wilson won a Superbowl without a TE and WRs.

True. But wasn't it against the greatest choke artist ever?? As in Peyton Manning?

[Ted Sheckler]

New England Patriots > Indianapolis Colts / Denver Broncos. With that logic Eli must be the clutchest qb to ever live ?

Sure, if that's what you take from it.

[slacker00]

Now I'm curious.

Here it is, NFL career playoff GWDs:
Brady: 9
Elway: 6
Montana/Eli: 5
Bradshaw/Marino/Ben/RW: 4
Fouts/Stabler/Brees/Warner: 3
Flacco +18 other guys: 2
Peyton/Luck/Rogers/Rivers/Romo/AlexSmith/MattRyan/RexGrossman +46 other guys: 1


Eli is certainly respectable, but Brady towers over everyone. Check out RW, not bad for such a young career.

[Ted Sheckler]

Now I'm curious.

Here it is, NFL career playoff GWDs:
Brady: 9
Elway: 6
Montana/Eli: 5
Bradshaw/Marino/Ben/RW: 4
Fouts/Stabler/Brees/Warner: 3
Flacco +18 other guys: 2
Peyton/Luck/Rogers/Rivers/Romo/AlexSmith/MattRyan/RexGrossman +46 others guys: 1


Eli is certainly respectable, but Brady towards over everyone. Check out RW, not bad for such a young career.

OMG, with that logic, Russell Wilson is better than Peyton Manning....And somehow Eli is better than Brady. Or something like that, not really sure.


Having 9 in 30 career games says something. Is it better to have 4 championships with 9 GWD's or 4 championships with 0 GWD's?

[slacker00]

GWD is just one stat, but it is interesting too see which QBs are proven to do it and which ones not so much.

[NavsPicks]

OMG, with that logic, Russell Wilson is better than Peyton Manning....And somehow Eli is better than Brady. Or something like that, not really sure.


Having 9 in 30 career games says something. Is it better to have 4 championships with 9 GWD's or 4 championships with 0 GWD's?

Championships , game winning drives and head to head all work in Brady's favor against Peyton. When comparing Eli To Brady these same categories Eli takes them. Brady could never beat Eli when it counted. Brady has 2 gifted rings on bullshit calls/plays. Eli > Brady if Brady > Peyton .

[Ted Sheckler]

Championships , game winning drives and head to head all work in Brady's favor against Peyton. When comparing Eli To Brady these same categories Eli takes them. Brady could never beat Eli when it counted. Brady has 2 gifted rings on bullshit calls/plays. Eli > Brady if Brady > Peyton .

Good to know Eli takes Brady in "these same categories". Have fun today.

[Ted Sheckler]

GWD is just one stat, but it is interesting too see which QBs are proven to do it and which ones not so much.

Yea, I guess what you really need to look at is the scores of the game.
Brady has 21 wins in the playoffs, 9 have been led by him with the game winning drive.
Manning has 11 wins in the playoffs and 1 has been GWD.

Does that mean that Colts blew out teams left and right and only required him to have 1 opportunity at a GWD?
Does that mean Brady is always in close games and that's why he has 9 GWDs.

I wonder how many times they've been unsuccessful at completing a GWD, or if there is really even a way to figure that.

[StackinGreen]

Championships , game winning drives and head to head all work in Brady's favor against Peyton. When comparing Eli To Brady these same categories Eli takes them. Brady could never beat Eli when it counted. Brady has 2 gifted rings on bullshit calls/plays. Eli > Brady if Brady > Peyton .

Wait a minute, not a NE fan, objective analyzer here:

If you wanna take away last year's Brady "win" then why don't you also talk about how Gronk was horribly injured against the Giants last time OR that the Tyree play was clear holding and a heave? Gimme a break.

For those still talking about Brady vs. Peyton Manning it's embarrassing. Just look at Peyton's playoff performances and you'll puke they are so below average given how good he was otherwise. Like seriously putrid.

[StackinGreen]

Yea, I guess what you really need to look at is the scores of the game.
Brady has 21 wins in the playoffs, 9 have been led by him with the game winning drive.
Manning has 11 wins in the playoffs and 1 has been GWD.

Does that mean that Colts blew out teams left and right and only required him to have 1 opportunity at a GWD?
Does that mean Brady is always in close games and that's why he has 9 GWDs.

I wonder how many times they've been unsuccessful at completing a GWD, or if there is really even a way to figure that.

Saints game stands out, just off the top of my head

[slacker00]

Another interesting stat is the "pick 6". Someone above mentioned the infamous Peyton's pick 6's in the Playoffs. Ends up, Peyton holds the NFL record for most pick 6's in a season (6 in 2001), granted most NFL QBs would get benched before they could break a record like that (ie Matt Schaub). Anyway, here's an interesting article about pick 6's that I stumbled across:

http://www.footballperspective.com/m...n-nfl-history/