Has the #4 team in the country ever been a dog to an unranked team?

**pavyracer** · 10-18-15, 08:01 PM

Look at last week. #7 team was +8 and won outright. Rankings are meaningless. Best team wins on the field.

**smitch124** · 10-19-15, 12:25 AM

I can't remember a time, I think #4 for Utah is a bit high. But still.

**SquareBetNoMore** · 10-19-15, 12:37 AM

This is one of the reasons why I think the playoff committee should consider Vegas power rankings when comparing two teams at the end of the year... If there are two equally deserving teams, don't flip a coin or use one criteria that you didn't apply to the other teams, just check out who Vegas would favor on a neutral site

**funnyb25** · 10-19-15, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by SquareBetNoMore

This is one of the reasons why I think the playoff committee should consider Vegas power rankings when comparing two teams at the end of the year... If there are two equally deserving teams, don't flip a coin or use one criteria that you didn't apply to the other teams, just check out who Vegas would favor on a neutral site

Vegas is fixed enough as it is....

**rm18** · 10-19-15, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by SquareBetNoMore

This is one of the reasons why I think the playoff committee should consider Vegas power rankings when comparing two teams at the end of the year... If there are two equally deserving teams, don't flip a coin or use one criteria that you didn't apply to the other teams, just check out who Vegas would favor on a neutral site

Then Ohio St. would not of made the playoffs last year.

**CWD** · 10-19-15, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by rm18

Then Ohio St. would not of made the playoffs last year.

just cause they won the playoff doesnt mean they deserved to be in it, which imo they did not.

**jtoler** · 10-19-15, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by rm18

Then Ohio St. would not of made the playoffs last year.

As well they shouldn't have.

**MoMoneyMoVaughn** · 10-19-15, 10:03 AM

Utah is better than many are giving them credit for. Though USC's record is deceiving as they have lost to very good teams and have a roster stacked will talent.

Honestly though, how could one not feel good about taking Utah? Who has USC beat? ArkSt, Idaho and ArizSt? Arizona State the only team in the top 50

Will probably pass but Utah seems like a gift here. Would not be surprised to see the line move to -5 by kick off

**greenhippo** · 10-19-15, 10:05 AM

I'm not surprised, I posted here or elsewhere that USC according to some computer calculations has over a 60% chance of winning this game. Some were as high as 70+%.

**Vegas39** · 10-19-15, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by CWD

just cause they won the playoff doesnt mean they deserved to be in it, which imo they did not.

Originally posted by jtoler

As well they shouldn't have.

Blame that on Big 12 for not having a title game

**itchypickle** · 10-19-15, 10:48 AM

For on the field product mid season...Utes definitely are ranked too high although they are the class of the Pac 12 this season...case to be made for Stanfords strides too though. I think Trojans will pull off the win against them.

**jtoler** · 10-19-15, 01:50 PM

Before I saw the line I was gonna take Utah if they were above +3, but they are right on it. Not cut a dry game on paper given the circumstances, but I'll still take Utah here, I love these type matchups, I only wish USC had been winning more so I could really cash.

**CWD** · 10-19-15, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Vegas39

Blame that on Big 12 for not having a title game

doubt that would have mattered one bit they wanted big name teams.

**jjgold** · 10-19-15, 02:12 PM

Unload on Utah everything you have

**unde0087** · 10-19-15, 03:56 PM

Utah is a good team but not a top 5 team. They are taking advantage of the fact that the top teams in the Pac 12 took a nose dive this year. The game against ASU was terrible. ASU couldn't even get a first down yet had a chance to win. USC is in disarray but have superior athletes hence they are favored. If they show up and play like many expected them too starting the season Utah will get worked

**CWD** · 10-19-15, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by unde0087

Utah is a good team but not a top 5 team. They are taking advantage of the fact that the top teams in the Pac 12 took a nose dive this year. The game against ASU was terrible. ASU couldn't even get a first down yet had a chance to win. USC is in disarray but have superior athletes hence they are favored. If they show up and play like many expected them too starting the season Utah will get worked

goff for cal had 5 ints @utah and they were knocking at the door for the go ahead TD at end. cream will rise weaker will fall most likely in coming weeks.

**jjgold** · 10-19-15, 05:22 PM

USC is very overrated

Soft kids too..typical west coast

losers

**gummo** · 10-19-15, 05:32 PM

Line hasn't moved. Vegas is not impressed.

**BigdaddyQH** · 10-19-15, 06:48 PM

Vegas will certainly not be impressed by some of the dumb comments in here. The fact is this. Oregon barely lost to the alleged #2 Big 10 team, and Oregon is just an average team. The Big 10 is TERRIBLE. The worst conference around. Joe Pub bought making Michigan a favorite over MSU. They drove the line from the opening 6 to 8 1/2 at some books. The fact that Michigan and Harbelch gave the game away has nothing to do with the fact that Michigan would NOT have covered the line. For every winner in here there were 5 losers. You guys have absolutely NO idea about college football. How many of you can prove that you are ahead this season? I can.

Utah at USC presents special problems that the smart bettor stays away from. Is Utah for real? They ripped Michigan without any funny game ending plays. The fact of the matter is that NO ONE in here has the faintest clue about Utah. What about USC? BOTH of their Pac 12 losses have come at home. They obviously have the best overall talent in the conference, but does that mean anything? UCLA has the 2nd best talent and they are going nowhere fast. Vegas and some sharps are on track to having ne of their best seasons ever thanks to Joe Pub, which includes 95% of you people in here. Utah-USC. Pass.

**jjgold** · 10-19-15, 06:59 PM

Utah..keep hitting them

ML too

**Mac4Lyfe** · 10-19-15, 07:35 PM

I predicted Utah will have at least 2 losses this year. This could be one of them.

**LeaninBack916** · 10-19-15, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by BigdaddyQH

Vegas will certainly not be impressed by some of the dumb comments in here. The fact is this. Oregon barely lost to the alleged #2 Big 10 team, and Oregon is just an average team. The Big 10 is TERRIBLE. The worst conference around. Joe Pub bought making Michigan a favorite over MSU. They drove the line from the opening 6 to 8 1/2 at some books. The fact that Michigan and Harbelch gave the game away has nothing to do with the fact that Michigan would NOT have covered the line. For every winner in here there were 5 losers. You guys have absolutely NO idea about college football. How many of you can prove that you are ahead this season? I can.

Utah at USC presents special problems that the smart bettor stays away from. Is Utah for real? They ripped Michigan without any funny game ending plays. The fact of the matter is that NO ONE in here has the faintest clue about Utah. What about USC? BOTH of their Pac 12 losses have come at home. They obviously have the best overall talent in the conference, but does that mean anything? UCLA has the 2nd best talent and they are going nowhere fast. Vegas and some sharps are on track to having ne of their best seasons ever thanks to Joe Pub, which includes 95% of you people in here. Utah-USC. Pass.

Dude... All you did was stroke your ego by saying you can prove your roll and vegas/sharps are winning.

Im winning too. Im not a "sharp" or a bookie.. I just crunch numbers, look at all information in front of me, and take an educated guess like anyone else who lays a bet.

**LeaninBack916** · 10-19-15, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Utah..keep hitting them

ML too

Utah ML is the play. That is where the value is.

**BennyBigNuts** · 10-19-15, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by BigdaddyQH

Vegas will certainly not be impressed by some of the dumb comments in here. The fact is this. Oregon barely lost to the alleged #2 Big 10 team, and Oregon is just an average team. The Big 10 is TERRIBLE. The worst conference around. Joe Pub bought making Michigan a favorite over MSU. They drove the line from the opening 6 to 8 1/2 at some books. The fact that Michigan and Harbelch gave the game away has nothing to do with the fact that Michigan would NOT have covered the line. For every winner in here there were 5 losers. You guys have absolutely NO idea about college football. How many of you can prove that you are ahead this season? I can.

Utah at USC presents special problems that the smart bettor stays away from. Is Utah for real? They ripped Michigan without any funny game ending plays. The fact of the matter is that NO ONE in here has the faintest clue about Utah. What about USC? BOTH of their Pac 12 losses have come at home. They obviously have the best overall talent in the conference, but does that mean anything? UCLA has the 2nd best talent and they are going nowhere fast. Vegas and some sharps are on track to having ne of their best seasons ever thanks to Joe Pub, which includes 95% of you people in here. Utah-USC. Pass.

Originally posted by LeaninBack916

Dude... All you did was stroke your ego by saying you can prove your roll and vegas/sharps are winning.

Im winning too. Im not a "sharp" or a bookie.. I just crunch numbers, look at all information in front of me, and take an educated guess like anyone else who lays a bet.

Hey Leanin you don't have to waste your time arguing with a guy like Bigdaddy, he spends his whole life playing sbr poker for points. AKA- BROKEDIKFUK

**tatom21** · 10-19-15, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Unload on Utah everything you have

You 1st

**texhooper** · 10-19-15, 10:57 PM

here's what i see every bigdaddyqh post:

YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW BLAH BLAH BLAH COLLEGE FOOTBALL BLAH BLAH BLAH...

then i move on.

**LeaninBack916** · 10-19-15, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by BennyBigNuts

Hey Leanin you don't have to waste your time arguing with a guy like Bigdaddy, he spends his whole life playing sbr poker for points. AKA- BROKEDIKFUK

He sounds thirsty.

**CWD** · 10-20-15, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by texhooper

here's what i see every bigdaddyqh post:

YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW BLAH BLAH BLAH COLLEGE FOOTBALL BLAH BLAH BLAH...

then i move on.

he str8 gives it to people like a drill sergeant even if they are off a posted spread by 1/2 point

**texhooper** · 10-20-15, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by CWD

he str8 gives it to people like a drill sergeant even if they are off a posted spread by 1/2 point

and what he doesn't realize is no one cares what he says.

i mean i will admit that kinda shit bugs me too (when people post unavailable lines), but he's way too big a dick all the time about everything to where nothing he says really resonates.