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IF Verlander gets a 3rd No-Hitter how strong are his HOF chances?
I've asked this of a guy Like Mark Buehrle too
3 no-hitters is rare rare rare air
you have a very good career and dominant time and the stuff to do multiple no-no's....
those no-no's gotta take you from a maybe to a yes for the HOF IMO
your thoughts?
Rank Name Quantity 3. 3 3 3
wrong. not that much stock in no hitters. just a fluke thing. if he had 25 1 or 2 hit shutouts and a passel of 20 win seasons or 4 or 5 era titles or w-l pct then he would get in. but no hitters are not that highly regarded in the grand scope of things.
His girlfriend is hot. First ballot hall of fame for sure.
good point!Originally Posted by pavyracer
are they still together
I think Joltin Joe Diamaggio was a "maybe" for getting into the baseball HOF but he dated Marilyn Monroe
that put him over the top with the voters
It's impressive but no-hitters as we have seen in the past have no bearing if a pitcher is good or not
he looked like he was scared to attack the plate there, dont think he had much left
not a HOFer even if he got it.
He got a 1 hitter tonight, so he's closer to the HOF than if he had gotten the no-no
yeah except maybe he is
Hall Of Fame Statistics
Player rank in (·)
Black Ink Pitching - 46 (30), Average HOFer ≈ 40 Gray Ink Pitching - 135 (122), Average HOFer ≈ 185 Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 112 (77), Likely HOFer ≈ 100 Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 32 (132), Average HOFer ≈ 50
top 20 all time in Cy Young shares with like 5 top 5 finishes...
MVP and CY Young Award Share Leaders
* - Indicates Player is a Hall of Famer. Bold - Indicates Player is still active.
Rank Most Valuable Player Award Shares Rank Cy Young Award Award Shares 1. Barry Bonds (7 wins) 9.30 1. Roger Clemens (7 wins) 7.66 2. Stan Musial* (3 wins) 6.96 2. Randy Johnson* (5 wins) 6.50 3. Albert Pujols (3 wins) 6.91 3. Greg Maddux* (4 wins) 4.92 4. Ted Williams* (2 wins) 6.43 4. Steve Carlton* (4 wins) 4.29 5. Willie Mays* (2 wins) 5.94 5. Pedro Martinez* (3 wins) 4.26 6. Mickey Mantle* (3 wins) 5.79 6. Tom Seaver* (3 wins) 3.85 7. Hank Aaron* (1 win) 5.45 7. Jim Palmer* (3 wins) 3.57 8. Lou Gehrig* (2 wins) 5.44 8. Roy Halladay (2 wins) 3.50 9. Joe DiMaggio* (3 wins) 5.43 9. Clayton Kershaw (3 wins) 3.34 10. Alex Rodriguez (3 wins) 5.23 10. Tom Glavine* (2 wins) 3.15 11. Mike Schmidt* (3 wins) 4.96 11. Sandy Koufax* (3 wins) 3.05 12. Frank Robinson* (2 wins) 4.83 12. Johan Santana (2 wins) 2.72 13. Frank Thomas* (2 wins) 4.79 13. Felix Hernandez (1 win) 2.42 14. Miguel Cabrera (2 wins) 4.45 14. Bret Saberhagen (2 wins) 2.20 15. Jimmie Foxx* (3 wins) 4.21 15. Bob Gibson* (2 wins) 2.02 16. Yogi Berra* (3 wins) 3.98 Catfish Hunter* (1 win) 2.02 17. Eddie Collins* (1 win) 3.86 17. Gaylord Perry* (2 wins) 2.00 18. Hank Greenberg* (2 wins) 3.69 18. Adam Wainwright 1.97 Brooks Robinson* (1 win) 3.69 19. Ron Guidry (1 win) 1.91 20. Pete Rose (1 win) 3.68 20. Justin Verlander (1 win) 1.89 21. Charlie Gehringer* (1 win) 3.55 21. Curt Schilling 1.85 22. Rogers Hornsby* (2 wins) 3.33 22. CC Sabathia (1 win) 1.84 Eddie Murray* 3.33 23. Warren Spahn* (1 win) 1.83 24. George Brett* (1 win) 3.30 24. Fergie Jenkins* (1 win) 1.81
Justin Verlander is not a HOF'er.
A few more 1or2 hitters and he is a lock
his first 7 full seasons were putting him on the road for HOF consideration. but the last 3 are costing him despite tonites 1 or 0 hitter (what's really the difference. 0 runs allowed means more) he's 30-30 the last 3 years with an era over 4.00. unless he reverts back to those first 7 seasons numbers with 4 or 5 more of them, he won't get in.
0-3 in world series with 7.20 ERA he on the choke list there prob wont get back
Not a HOFer unless he gets back to his former dominant self.
predicting a no hitter tonight
Is there any credit given for 1 hitters?
Is a guy with 2 no hitters and no 1 hitters better than a guy with 0 no hitters and 5 1 hitters?
Fun fact Nokan Ryan and Bob Feller each had 12 one-hitters!
in this day and age an mlb rookie pitcher starting in 2016 has a .01% chance of having 12 complete games in his career
When Ryan was on, he was really untouchable
EVERYONE Knows... Verlander is a Fave of Sammy's
EVERYONE Knows... Verlander is a Fave of Sammy's
hes a hall of famer for sure if hes solid for a few more years
the guy was so sick back in the day, and is still very good at his age
No names pitch no-hitters now it has no impact on the halll of fame
Cy Young may have had an average sized peniss but he didn't have to worry about having it plastered all over the internet.
Guy seems to be back on a firm HOF track
Still on the bubble as far as I am concerned. One CY and 173 wins, 2000 strikeouts with a mid-3's ERA and having my pitched in his division his whole career is no guarantee.
At 34 years old he is going to need to keep his ERA where it is, pile up another 900 strikeouts and 60 wins if he wants to be a lock. If he doesn't, he could still get in....but certainly not a sure thing.
We ahould be be talking about Roy Halladay....that's a guy that I think should get in, but may have his struggles as well as he retired a bit too early (injury related).
He is close
Warrior.. a few more good years and he is in
Rank Cy Young Award Award Shares 1. Roger Clemens (7 wins) 7.66 2. Randy Johnson* (5 wins) 6.50 3. Greg Maddux* (4 wins) 4.92 4. Steve Carlton* (4 wins) 4.29 5. Pedro Martinez* (3 wins) 4.26 6. Clayton Kershaw (3 wins) 3.96 7. Tom Seaver* (3 wins) 3.85 8. Jim Palmer* (3 wins) 3.57 9. Roy Halladay (2 wins) 3.50 10. Tom Glavine* (2 wins) 3.15 11. Sandy Koufax* (3 wins) 3.05 12. Johan Santana (2 wins) 2.72 13. Justin Verlander (1 win) 2.52 14. Felix Hernandez (1 win) 2.46 15. Bret Saberhagen (2 wins) 2.20 16. Max Scherzer (2 wins) 2.18 17. David Price (1 win) 2.11 18. Bob Gibson* (2 wins) 2.02 Catfish Hunter* (1 win) 2.02 20. Gaylord Perry* (2 wins) 2.00
guy is getter better with age
homer bailey has 2 no hitters one more and hes a lock for cooperstown
Sammy would put him in on 1st ballot
There is a reason that no one has started a threat saying asking how strong Homer's HOF chances are if he had a 3rd.homer bailey has 2 no hitters one more and hes a lock for cooperstown
and there is a reason I used a specific example, in Verlander. the thread is not, "if anyone pitches 3 no-hitters are they a lock for the hall of fame"
guys like Marke Buehrle and Verlander have a very good body of work, which at the time put them nearing the conversation of Hall of very good or hall of fame.
a 3rd no no could be something to put guys like that over the top.
does that make sense?
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