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Kobe has always been a selfish player with low basketball iq. Yes he has heart/skill and gives it 100% but thats not enough to convince
me to choose him over a MJ or Lebron. And this is coming from an ex-Laker fan who has watched all his games. Of course
gambling has led me to look at things in a more logical unbiased matter.
Literally every post you've made so far has been about Lebron...what's your obsession?Originally Posted by WiseOne
He hasn't given us 1 memorable moment yet? He's dominated since day 1 in the league. He just set the record for points in the first 3 games of the finals. He's on track to have possibly the best finals performance ever. Who's the second best player on his team right now? Mozgov??
Kobe won 3 in a row with a star player and cast members? More like Shaq won 3 in a row with Kobe and cast members. 2 in a row with "just role players"? When has Pau Gasol ever been a role player?
I'm a Warriors fan but this Lebron hate (especially the kind you're spewing) is downright pathetic. We're witnessing some of the best basketball that's ever been played by a human being and you're sitting here comparing him to Kobe fukkin BRYANT!?
WOW
Best Players since 1990
1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Duncan
4. Kobe
5. Steve Nash
6. Allen Iverson
7. Dirk
OK. Simply ask anyone who played with, against, coached or coached against him.
Russ was 21-0 win or go home games in college, olympics and pros.
So you must think Jim Brown sucks and the NBA didn't exist until 1990.
I think this is a pretty big point. In the 80's and 90's it was a different game. Much more physical, none of the flagrant fouls you see today, and be able to hand check back then. MJ took a team and won 72 games + 15 more in the playoffs. 87-13 record. A will and determination to win like no other. Truth be told, in today's era it would be much easier to win 70+ games with all the nights off guys take. You wanna be the best ever? Go out and play 82 games a year and win titles. You think MJ didn't play through pain and nagging injuries?
Phil jackson couldn't win 2 years when Jordan retired.
the 1st 4 are pretty accurate
@the MJ didnt take games off, no, he took entire seasons off.
They were 80.
Whoa whoa whoa, that's a thing?
Imagine if LBJ had been picked up by LAL on the team that Kobe was on.
1st, LBJ was much more NBA ready than Kobe and would have contributed much more much sooner.
2nd, LBJ's character would have kept those 2 together and happy much longer.
Wow, no Shaq???
I think guys forget just how dominant he was.
You have a great list but I find it hard to not put Shaq on their, especially after the top 4
He averaged better than 25pts/10rebs 12 years in a row
Edit: And his numbers only got better in the playoffs, he averaged closer to 30/15
Last edited by The Kraken; 06-10-15 at 11:55 AM.
Might have been 30+ players in that time span better than Nash.
Can we plz get some clarification on this?Hold on, are you telling me you were born before the 1960s?
Shaq has to be ahead of Kobe at the bare minimum and I know Duncan has 1 more of each titles and MVPs but if you could have Duncan or Shaq who is it going to be?
Didn't Shaq also take a crappy eastern team to the Finals then bolt for a franchise with competence?
Lebron doesn't belong in this conversation.
Could you imagine if Shaq could hit a free throw? he would have averaged 35-40 a game for his career.
People seem to forget players literally had to tackle him just to stop him.
He's easily the most Dominant player we have ever seen in terms of being Unstoppable.
The league is so funny just 5-6 years ago Most NBA fans were saying Kobe is almost passing MJ.
I remember one of the Phoenix series where he literally would make every shot double teamed in the 4th quarter and Suns Coach Gentry just shook his head at what he was seeing. Only reason we are Comparing Lebron right now to MJ and company is because hes playing in the present and people want something to talk about.
Lebron too soft imo very athletic but does not need to be even compared to Jordan. Shaq in his prime was unstoppable Jeff, good point but still not a comparison we should make with Lebron.
If you had to win one game and it came down to making a shot at the buzzer to win it, who you gonna take?
Jordan for me he will make it even if fouled by everyone in the building.
good post. Kobe wasn't even the best man on his team for the Shaq years.
If LeBron had Dellavedova's heart, LeBron would already be #1 getting his 5th ring this year.
Agree MJ is by himself forever until god returns in human form to play basketball. Kobe is even better than Lebron. Lebron has a physical advantage over his opponents neither of them enjoyed yet still totally dominated. This is why guys like Shaq really dont interest me much because of course a monster that big is going to be good at basketball.
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If MJ missed it WOULD be a foul on everybody in the building.
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Ray Allen, follow up, if you had to play 1 full game with a bunch of random bench players who you going to take?
haha ok boss, let me know when Kobe beats the 3rd best team in NBA history all by himself.
Big Shot Rob Horry
All by himself???? Hahhaha what game are you watching? He's getting carried right now he literally did everything he could to blow game 3 but his teammates with a little bit of help from refs saved his ass. But of course you probably saw the box scores and said WOW 40 points holy shit!! Who cares that he's shooting a 100 shots a game and missing 70 of them. I feel really bad for Thompson jr and Della if cavs win the series lebron won with supposedly "bench players" yet they're playing unreal this series especially on D.
Did James already win?
Lebron and it is not even close for the fact he took the win PCT.400 shitty Cavs to the NBA championship in his first year back!
Kobe loses a few key players then all the sudden the Lakers are sub par.he couldn't lead a fukkin pig to the mud..
Jordan did not lead the Wizards to the playoffs in his two years there, let alone the NBA championship..
The Wizard win PCT was .451 the two years he was there..
This is not even a debate!
Close fukkin thread now in order to avoid further embarrassment,Lol..
Why does anyone bring up the Wizards and Jordan? Dude was like 40. Lebron took the shitty Cavs to the Finals all by himself? How many guys from last years Cavs team are still on the roster? Over half the team has changed since last years Cavs that still almost made the playoffs. Lebron is the best player in the world today. There are even some things he does better than MJ did. If were talking about a game 7 and its coming down to the last minute, I want MJ bar none.
Jordan number 1
Everyone does agree
Everything is debatable
Lebron won shit yet....most likely they lose series 4-2
You had to bring up MJ playing for the Wizards to make Lebron better. That's how you know you're clueless. And did JR smith Kevin love and shumpert play for the Cavs last year? Pauly you're better than this.
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