1. 06-06-15 11:22 PM #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt1216 View Post
    Yes, but genetics have a ton to do with this, Imo. No female has the natural body that Serena has on your period. This gives her a massive advantage. You can tell Serena speed wise is slowing down but her "ball bashing power" makes up for any other difficiencies. However, her ball placement/range and IQ are probably up there amongst the best.
    If ball bashing power is all she has then just get some fat weightlifting women to stand still and serve so hard that no one can return the serve and you have the greatest of all time. Serena has the best combination of all the best tennis attributes.
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  2. 06-07-15 01:55 AM #37
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    Serena won first slam 1999 and she could win wimbeldon 2019 as well which needs more power not fitness
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  3. 06-07-15 04:50 AM #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by seaborneq View Post
    If ball bashing power is all she has then just get some fat weightlifting women to stand still and serve so hard that no one can return the serve and you have the greatest of all time. Serena has the best combination of all the best tennis attributes.
    My point was she's physically gifted. It's obvious. If she had her same talent but with an average body she wouldn't even be top 10. She's physically imposing to the female tennis in general
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  4. 06-07-15 07:10 AM #39
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    Graf was truly amazing. It was the golden era of tennis. Can't watch this shit anymore.
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  5. 06-07-15 07:34 AM #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt1216 View Post
    My point was she's physically gifted. It's obvious. If she had her same talent but with an average body she wouldn't even be top 10. She's physically imposing to the female tennis in general
    didnt martina navratilova have a average body yet she was the prototype for power in her era and won 18 majors

    dont lisicki have the hardest serve on tour yet a average body.....it is all about talent
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  6. 06-07-15 07:59 AM #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkside Magick View Post
    didnt martina navratilova have a average body yet she was the prototype for power in her era and won 18 majors

    dont lisicki have the hardest serve on tour yet a average body.....it is all about talent
    Lisicki average body?? Lisicki is built... Average chicks don't serve 214kms lol
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  7. 06-07-15 08:32 AM #42
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    ok so serena looks like a man, built like a man, heck she even has bigger balls than me, but she sure can hit a ball.

    Even on an off day, she blasts the field so well done to her.
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  8. 06-07-15 08:36 AM #43
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    Serena loves the dram though

    She said she almost pulled out of the final...lol

    She was never pulling out
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  9. 06-07-15 09:53 AM #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by seaborneq View Post
    When you think of all the tennis greats that flamed out early, then Serena's dominance into her mid 30's is unmatched.
    Just like all those record-setting baseball sluggers playing till their late 30s. Turned out they were all juiced to the max.
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  10. 06-07-15 11:36 AM #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeeeHAWWWW View Post
    Just like all those record-setting baseball sluggers playing till their late 30s. Turned out they were all juiced to the max.
    So you think Serena is juicing in her later years? Do you think she was juicing as a teenager? She was more dominant way back then into her early 20's. She is more crafty now, she was more dominant then.
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  11. 06-07-15 12:06 PM #46
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    i think the newer generation of players coming up are just mentally weak and not as driven as people in earlier generations.

    everyone is into their brand, Facebook, instagram, tweeting, etc. younger players don't respect work ethic or their craft.
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  12. 06-07-15 12:13 PM #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoBlue77 View Post
    i think the newer generation of players coming up are just mentally weak and not as driven as people in earlier generations.

    everyone is into their brand, Facebook, instagram, tweeting, etc. younger players don't respect work ethic or their craft.
    This.

    This goes across the board for all sports!
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  13. 06-07-15 04:26 PM #48
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    yes, anyone remember anna Kournikova, sexy [if you like that Russian bride look] she was more into tweet'in butt shots, tit pics, and made alot more off the court from waving HER fadge in the air, as she was shit at tennis. I mean, seriously.... She never got anywhere in tennis, But off the court, with a pole, and ripped jeans, that is how she filled her bank account. :-)

    What we have now is a bunch of tech babies, swiping their fingers across their iphones, and talking to the persons sitting next to them, on snap chat, rather than do it the old fashion way straight to their face. LOL. oh dear.

    Times are a changin'
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  14. 06-07-15 04:54 PM #49
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    Serena is the most dominating Tennis player (male or female) of all-time. She uses her stature and athleticism to the fullest degree. Kinda like Lebron James.
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  15. 06-08-15 10:50 AM #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by seaborneq View Post
    So you think Serena is juicing in her later years? Do you think she was juicing as a teenager?
    Seems quite possible - it certainly happens, usually via the coach or parents. There have long been rumours about Eastern European tennis parents feeding their teenage daughters HGH especially. Karatantcheva was caught doping (twice!) when she was 15, and she made a slam QF that year.
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  16. 06-08-15 11:42 AM #51
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    Serena was always strong as an ox and built like stone and like any person as you get older you put on weight and get a little bigger… Tennis has lots of drug testing
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  17. 06-08-15 11:46 AM #52
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    serena williams underrated.

    now i've heard it all.
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  18. 06-08-15 12:12 PM #53
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    Tremendous player but has been on HGH for some time now. Check the thickness and bloated muscular stomach this is a dead give away along with head growth. Most Pros are on something so it really shouldn't diminish her dominance.
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  19. 06-08-15 06:23 PM #54
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    Graf was absolutely great to watch.
    Serena has power.
    When it comes to watching tennis, give me Steffi in 100 of 100 matches.
    Same goes for mens Tennis as well. Djoker and Murray are great. I'm just not watching them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Tennis has lots of drug testing

    Uh, no. Just no. Not even close.

    The total opposite in fact, tennis drugtesting is an utter joke, possibly the worst of any major sport. Tiny number of tests, huge number of loopholes, and a history of covering up for dopers.

    Serena in particular went two years without an out of competition test (in-competition are utterly useless because they are predictable in time, so dopers make sure they aren't "glowing" then).
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeeeHAWWWW View Post
    Uh, no. Just no. Not even close.

    The total opposite in fact, tennis drugtesting is an utter joke, possibly the worst of any major sport. Tiny number of tests, huge number of loopholes, and a history of covering up for dopers.

    Serena in particular went two years without an out of competition test (in-competition are utterly useless because they are predictable in time, so dopers make sure they aren't "glowing" then).
    This!
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  22. 06-09-15 05:35 AM #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoBlue77 View Post
    i think the newer generation of players coming up are just mentally weak and not as driven as people in earlier generations.

    everyone is into their brand, Facebook, instagram, tweeting, etc. younger players don't respect work ethic or their craft.
    Get off my lawn!
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  23. 06-09-15 06:51 AM #58
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    Greatest womans tennis player of all time yes. She'd have a challenge beating any man ranked 50 or better and she'd only win 1/10 against men in the top 20.
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  24. 06-09-15 07:10 AM #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boner_18 View Post
    Greatest womans tennis player of all time yes. She'd have a challenge beating any man ranked 50 or better and she'd only win 1/10 against men in the top 20.
    Remember when they played against Karsten Braasch?
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    LOL. He was ranked 203! She took a set off Roddick tho didnt she?
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  26. 06-09-15 08:17 AM #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boner_18 View Post
    Greatest womans tennis player of all time yes. She'd have a challenge beating any man ranked 50 or better and she'd only win 1/10 against men in the top 20.
    She has no chance against a male top 20 player, wouldn't win one game in a hundred.
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  27. 06-09-15 08:24 AM #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boner_18 View Post
    LOL. He was ranked 203! She took a set off Roddick tho didnt she?
    Braasch was a chainsmoker way past his prime who prepared for the match with drinking a few beers in the morning. He said they couldn't beat a top 600 player. And I think he is right. (Which isn't a problem of course!)
    Roddick? Don't know about that. Only thing I know is she won a match when she was 11 and he was 10 or so.
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