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    Did anyone hear the Beyer speed fig for the Derby?? I cant find it.

    you would thinks a simple Google search of

    American Pharoah Derby Beyer speed figure would lead to something other than old crap
    even if you sort past week or today you get nothing but old articles.

    those search features are getting more worthless every day.




    Did anyone hear the Beyer speed fig for the Derby?? I cant find it.

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    The Beyer Speed Figure of 105 for the Derby was the best in the last six years, and these colts will be running much faster as they mature and as they compete at slightly shorter distances.






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    what does it mean though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    what does it mean though?

    1. The Beyer Speed Figures are a numerical representation of a horse's performance, based on the final time and the inherent speed over the track on which the race was run. The higher the Beyer Speed Figure, the better the performance.

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    Surprisingly this was not the highest Beyer for a three-year-old this year.

    3-year-olds: male or female
    through 05/06/2015
    HORSE TRK DATE DIST BEYER
    FIGURE

    Materiality GP 28 Mar 1 1/8M 110
    Upstart GP 28 Mar 1 1/8M 108
    Dortmund SA 04 Apr 1 1/8M 106
    American Pharoah
    CD 02 May 1 1/4M 105
    American Pharoah OP 11 Apr 1 1/8M 105
    Ready for Rye GP 07 Mar 7F 105
    Upstart GP 24 Jan 1 1/16M 105
    Dortmund SA 07 Feb 1 1/16M 104
    Dortmund SA 07 Mar 1 1/16M 104
    Firing Line CD 02 May 1 1/4M 104
    Firing Line SA 07 Feb 1 1/16M 104
    Two Weeks Off KEE 04 Apr 7F 104
    Frosted AQU 04 Apr 1 1/8M 103
    Competitive Edge CD 02 May 1M 102
    Khozan GP 24 Jan 7F 102
    Materiality GP 06 Mar 1 1/8M 102
    Prospect Park SA 07 Mar 1 1/16M 102
    Bolo SA 07 Mar 1 1/16M 101
    Chief Istan KEE 17 Apr 6F 101
    Dortmund CD 02 May 1 1/4M 101
    American Pharoah OP 14 Mar 1 1/16M 100
    Frosted CD 02 May 1 1/4M 100
    Gimme Da Lute SA 04 Apr 6 1/2F 100
    Tencendur AQU 04 Apr 1 1/8M 100
    Victory Is Sweet AQU 12 Apr 6F 100

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    His thorograph figure was the 2nd best kentucky derby ever. Only Big Brown was better in their opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    Surprisingly this was not the highest Beyer for a three-year-old this year.

    3-year-olds: male or female
    through 05/06/2015
    HORSE TRK DATE DIST BEYER
    FIGURE

    Materiality GP 28 Mar 1 1/8M 110
    Upstart GP 28 Mar 1 1/8M 108
    Dortmund SA 04 Apr 1 1/8M 106
    American Pharoah
    CD 02 May 1 1/4M 105
    American Pharoah OP 11 Apr 1 1/8M 105
    Ready for Rye GP 07 Mar 7F 105
    Upstart GP 24 Jan 1 1/16M 105
    Dortmund SA 07 Feb 1 1/16M 104
    Dortmund SA 07 Mar 1 1/16M 104
    Firing Line CD 02 May 1 1/4M 104
    Firing Line SA 07 Feb 1 1/16M 104
    Two Weeks Off KEE 04 Apr 7F 104
    Frosted AQU 04 Apr 1 1/8M 103
    Competitive Edge CD 02 May 1M 102
    Khozan GP 24 Jan 7F 102
    Materiality GP 06 Mar 1 1/8M 102
    Prospect Park SA 07 Mar 1 1/16M 102
    Bolo SA 07 Mar 1 1/16M 101
    Chief Istan KEE 17 Apr 6F 101
    Dortmund CD 02 May 1 1/4M 101
    American Pharoah OP 14 Mar 1 1/16M 100
    Frosted CD 02 May 1 1/4M 100
    Gimme Da Lute SA 04 Apr 6 1/2F 100
    Tencendur AQU 04 Apr 1 1/8M 100
    Victory Is Sweet AQU 12 Apr 6F 100
    Figures from Gulfstream need to be taken with a grain of salt when they involve Todd Pletcher runners. He has a very long list of horses who are/were never the same anywhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemca View Post
    His thorograph figure was the 2nd best kentucky derby ever. Only Big Brown was better in their opinion.
    He took quite a beating (32 whips) and the overall time looks slow, but apparently quite deceiving when reading the
    Beyer and ThoroGraph opinions.
    No doubt, could be a tired horse, but hoping for the best.

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    32 whips? Do they not have whip limits in the US?

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    I think it is up to the stewards as to possible over-use of the whip but I know there are strict rules in places like Australia and Japan
    and probably many others. One would think after so many" taps " of the whip the horse will not run any faster and I would be in favor
    of some reasonable limit.

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    Materiality had a terrible trip and still ran a good race.
    I think he has a legit chance of he runs in the Preakness.

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    The thing is, AP ran a 105 in the Derby and yet there were three other horses within five points of him. Which begs the question, was it the horse or was it the track?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogkatcher View Post
    He took quite a beating (32 whips) and the overall time looks slow, but apparently quite deceiving when reading the
    Beyer and ThoroGraph opinions.
    No doubt, could be a tired horse, but hoping for the best.

    Agree but hard to tell. Every horse responds differently to being whipped. Was the first time AP was ever in a dogfight so it could just be Espinoza taking no chances. Have to see how he gallops leading up to Preakness. He ran a huge figure which most horses will react negatively to and have an off race next out. If he is emptied out it will be noticeable . If that kind of race becomes his norm then there hasn't been a horse more deserving of a Triple Crown since Big Brown and Smarty Jones.

    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    The thing is, AP ran a 105 in the Derby and yet there were three other horses within five points of him. Which begs the question, was it the horse or was it the track?
    I don't think Beyer accounts for ground loss so the fact that AP was ridden like he was much the best (4 wide 1st turn/ 4 wide 2nd turn) paints a different picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    Surprisingly this was not the highest Beyer for a three-year-old this year.

    3-year-olds: male or female
    through 05/06/2015
    HORSE TRK DATE DIST BEYER
    FIGURE

    Materiality GP 28 Mar 1 1/8M 110
    Upstart GP 28 Mar 1 1/8M 108
    Dortmund SA 04 Apr 1 1/8M 106
    American Pharoah
    CD 02 May 1 1/4M 105
    American Pharoah OP 11 Apr 1 1/8M 105
    Ready for Rye GP 07 Mar 7F 105
    Upstart GP 24 Jan 1 1/16M 105
    Dortmund SA 07 Feb 1 1/16M 104
    Dortmund SA 07 Mar 1 1/16M 104
    Firing Line CD 02 May 1 1/4M 104
    Firing Line SA 07 Feb 1 1/16M 104
    Two Weeks Off KEE 04 Apr 7F 104
    Frosted AQU 04 Apr 1 1/8M 103
    Competitive Edge CD 02 May 1M 102
    Khozan GP 24 Jan 7F 102
    Materiality GP 06 Mar 1 1/8M 102
    Prospect Park SA 07 Mar 1 1/16M 102
    Bolo SA 07 Mar 1 1/16M 101
    Chief Istan KEE 17 Apr 6F 101
    Dortmund CD 02 May 1 1/4M 101
    American Pharoah OP 14 Mar 1 1/16M 100
    Frosted CD 02 May 1 1/4M 100
    Gimme Da Lute SA 04 Apr 6 1/2F 100
    Tencendur AQU 04 Apr 1 1/8M 100
    Victory Is Sweet AQU 12 Apr 6F 100

    What did Materiality run in the Derby??


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    Quote Originally Posted by JMon View Post
    What did Materiality run in the Derby??

    Made a late move to get 6th. And Upstart was dead last.


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    ^ curious Beyer

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