1. 03-29-15 10:51 PM #36
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    and bear, if you knew anything about baseball, you'd know that home runs and stolen bases are the most overrated stat's in regard to winning baseball games going. in this cubs guys case playing in that high scoring park and bashing a couple of extra homers will hardly help the cubs pennant drive. bring him up in june, not before.
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  2. 03-29-15 11:32 PM #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    Guy doesn't have the glove to play 3rd yet

    while it doesn't matter since his bat should more than make up for it.

    so while we all know Theo HAS to say he needs more seasoning... There is an element of truth to it in regards to defense.


    162 games is a long season for these college guys that advance rapidly thru the minors

    the cubs play a bit more day games in the sun... It can wear you down .

    Last year Bryant played 138 games, you want him fresh for October. Pennants are not won in April.


    but yeah I think the majority of cubs fans see that extra year as huge... As the window for the cubs should be open for at least 5-6 years and most didn't even think it would open until 2016. Thus year is kind if a bonus

    Put a little trust in the Brain trust that got them here.
    archie spot on here
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  3. 03-30-15 07:36 AM #38
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    This is an incredibly smart decision. It's a long season, and he's a great prospect. Get him in back in the minors, let him rake for a bit to keep his confidence going and by summer he'll be in the lineup. It's what is done with most prospects in this position. Putting him in the show too early could derail his career. Happens too often.
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  4. 03-30-15 12:55 PM #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yons18 View Post
    This is an incredibly smart decision. It's a long season, and he's a great prospect. Get him in back in the minors, let him rake for a bit to keep his confidence going and by summer he'll be in the lineup. It's what is done with most prospects in this position. Putting him in the show too early could derail his career. Happens too often.
    Summer? No way. Try late April.
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  5. 03-30-15 01:07 PM #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    Put a little trust in the Brain trust that got them here.
    To 3 straight 5th place finishes?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...o_Cubs_seasons

    Cub fans are delusional in thinking championships can be planned and won in the off-season.

    Bartman is real. Epstein winning in Chicago is not.

    I'm not saying this can't change, but when he came to Chicago he was supposed to have been moving the needle after 3 seasons, which he has not.
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  6. 03-30-15 01:12 PM #41
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    Bear relax
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  7. 03-30-15 01:16 PM #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByeShea View Post
    To 3 straight 5th place finishes?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...o_Cubs_seasons

    Cub fans are delusional in thinking championships can be planned and won in the off-season.

    Bartman is real. Epstein winning in Chicago is not.

    I'm not saying this can't change, but when he came to Chicago he was supposed to have been moving the needle after 3 seasons, which he has not.

    this is the start of the AFTER 3 seasons right?

    its up to the team to perform, but i'm pretty sure that any GM or President in baseball would LOVE to be in the position with Epstein's current roster and top rated farm system.

    everything was bleak in 2011 but now the future looks very promising for Cub fans
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  8. 03-30-15 01:42 PM #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByeShea View Post
    To 3 straight 5th place finishes?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...o_Cubs_seasons

    Cub fans are delusional in thinking championships can be planned and won in the off-season.

    Bartman is real. Epstein winning in Chicago is not.

    I'm not saying this can't change, but when he came to Chicago he was supposed to have been moving the needle after 3 seasons, which he has not.
    Yes he has. Only a fool right now would look only at the W-L the last 3 seasons. The franchise is in infinitely better shape and it will be evident soon.

    The goal is to consistently make the playoffs and win world series'. Not to win a few more games the first few seasons. It's basically irrelevant whether they finished 2nd or 5th some of the last 3 seasons.
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  9. 03-30-15 01:56 PM #44
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    The day the cubs win a world series will be one of baseball's greatest moments.
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  10. 03-30-15 02:05 PM #45
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    Cubs will be very close at end

    Worth a small hedge on a futures bet
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  11. 03-30-15 02:30 PM #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    The day the cubs win a world series will be one of baseball's greatest moments.
    "if" that ever happens.

    point of thread is that the Chicago Cubs cannot afford to be patient. They really can't. The have an ace pitcher Jon Lester who is in his prime NOW. Kris Bryants best years could very well be his first couple seasons
    ( See David Freese)

    Windows of opportunity do not last long very often and the Cubs may fukk up a chance to win a world series this year if they keep taking the attitude that they are planning for the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bear View Post
    "if" that ever happens.

    point of thread is that the Chicago Cubs cannot afford to be patient. They really can't. The have an ace pitcher Jon Lester who is in his prime NOW. Kris Bryants best years could very well be his first couple seasons
    ( See David Freese)

    Windows of opportunity do not last long very often and the Cubs may fukk up a chance to win a world series this year if they keep taking the attitude that they are planning for the future.
    Yeah, but waiting a couple of weeks for Kris Bryant isn't too big a deal. If we were talking about half a season, then yeah. But 9 games?
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  13. 03-30-15 02:37 PM #48
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    Cubs have a reputation of mediocrity to live up to.
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  14. 03-30-15 02:44 PM #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Yeah, but waiting a couple of weeks for Kris Bryant isn't too big a deal. If we were talking about half a season, then yeah. But 9 games?
    yeah i guess i agree i just didnt like the interview i saw on tv. Felt like Epstein wasn't keeping it real.

    its always possible that Bryant may start out the season with a slump and if he gets called up instead of being on the opening day roster maybe the Cubs feel that will be less pressure for him to live up to... especially if the guy he replaces in the line-up isnt contributing.

    They may also want to see what they get out of Alcantara and Olt at 3B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bear View Post
    yeah i guess i agree i just didnt like the interview i saw on tv. Felt like Epstein wasn't keeping it real.

    its always possible that Bryant may start out the season with a slump and if he gets called up instead of being on the opening day roster maybe the Cubs feel that will be less pressure for him to live up to... especially if the guy he replaces in the line-up isnt contributing.

    They may also want to see what they get out of Alcantara and Olt at 3B.
    Yes, probably Olt. It may actually be Olt vs. Coghlan to decide whether Bryant stays at 3B or goes to LF. Olt has a decent ceiling if he can actually figure it out, and he's good defensively too. The problem is he's teased at the plate before and then regressed, so who knows. If he stays at 3B the Cubs could eventually have an absurdly powerful (HR-wise) lineup across the board.
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  16. 03-30-15 06:04 PM #51
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    Cubs ownership is totally disrespecting its loyal fan base. First off the stadium is in shambles. Bleachers closed. Then they pull this stunt and prove that they don't truly care about making a run this year. Put your best team on the field!!
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    yeah they just mentioned this on MLB network.

    Lots of fans are outraged at the MLB rules and Cubs Front Office.
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  18. 03-30-15 07:20 PM #53
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    uninformed cub fans outraged over 9 games this year

    same fans will be sooooo happy to have a non green potential MVP type masher in his prime in 2021 for an entire season instead of seeing him leave in 2020 to go to the yanks
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    in 2021 Jon Lester will be retired.

    Cubs cant just assume they will have top of the rotation aces like Lester and Arrieta in 2022
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  20. 03-30-15 09:29 PM #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bear View Post
    in 2021 Jon Lester will be retired.

    Cubs cant just assume they will have top of the rotation aces like Lester and Arrieta in 2022
    They may have others. I suppose it's possible, but it's highly unlikely that keeping Bryant in AAA for a few weeks is going to cost the pennant.
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  21. 03-31-15 06:18 PM #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Cubs will be very close at end

    Worth a small hedge on a futures bet
    JJ how about over 82 1/2 wins at -140?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    uninformed cub fans outraged over 9 games this year

    same fans will be sooooo happy to have a non green potential MVP type masher in his prime in 2021 for an entire season instead of seeing him leave in 2020 to go to the yanks
    They are called Out of Town Stupid.
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  23. 03-31-15 10:03 PM #58
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    Anybody who thinks the Cubs can't win 83 games in 2015 is sadly misinformed.
    Lester and Arrieta alone are going to combine for 30 wins. Bunch of dopes on this site.
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    If the situation was reversed and not starting on the MLB for 12 day roster would be to Boras' advantage what would he do? He would say send the kid down. It is business and the Cubs are pressing their advantage now when they can and want to make Boras wait one more year before holding his client for ransom vs the Cubs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by broadway6 View Post
    why, so Bryant can play in the division for an extra year?

    The guy will be in the big leagues by May.

    Maybe cardinal fans are smarter than guys who think the Rockies are going to the World Series.
    This is the Cubs dont forget,havent won a WS since 1908.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M. Buttermaker View Post
    JJ how about over 82 1/2 wins at -140?
    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose View Post
    Anybody who thinks the Cubs can't win 83 games in 2015 is sadly misinformed.
    Lester and Arrieta alone are going to combine for 30 wins. Bunch of dopes on this site.
    Line @ 5Dimes is now -160 for Cubs over 82 1/2 wins
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByeShea View Post
    To 3 straight 5th place finishes?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...o_Cubs_seasons

    Cub fans are delusional in thinking championships can be planned and won in the off-season.

    Bartman is real. Epstein winning in Chicago is not.

    I'm not saying this can't change, but when he came to Chicago he was supposed to have been moving the needle after 3 seasons, which he has not.
    Theo Epstein's work in Chicago is following a similar game plan as his work in Boston. Spend the first couple of seasons building up the farm system and then make a move to compete. If you are a Cubs fan this is the plan you want him to follow as historically he is very good at developing young talent and digging up a diamond in the rough or two. What you don't want is Epstein relying on FA as his big signings need seem to pan out for him.
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    Kris Bryant hitting under .200 for the month of July
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  31. 07-25-15 05:52 PM #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    Kris Bryant hitting under .200 for the month of July
    Hit 2 balls today that would have gone out on many days. He's going through a little rough patch, but I wouldn't sweat it much.
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