Originally Posted by
stevenash
Nobody is talking about counting numbers you dope.
I'm not talking about ERA's and WH/IP's, and Pettitte was not one of my favorite Yankees of that group.
My guys were the players nobody talks about.
Pettitte was injected steroids, yes.
This is where the argument ends.
Unlike Bonds (and I don't want to hear it was never proven), and Sosa and the rest, Andy was on the DL when the doctor gave him steroids. He took them for medical reasons, not to gain an edge on the mound.
He took them when he was hurt, he never took them after he healed, he admitted he used steroids, and it was explained why.
He acknowledged he took them, took the punches from the haters, and went about his business.
Pettitte was never to be known as a drinker, a gambler, a trouble maker, never was involved in some gun crime, pretty much a model citizen.
A cheat is one who uses illegal substances, like HGH, steroids, whatever, on a regular basis to gain an advantage on the mound.
I, and othe level headed people give Pettitte a break for using a banned substance for medical reasons to help the healing process.
This is what we call a mistake.
The other cheats, this is what we pretty much call a crime.
Now, you might be shocked to hear this, while Andy had a sound career, he belongs in the Hall of "Pretty Good"
He did not get the job done in Arizona when there was a lot of money in the middle of the poker table, his numbers were a little high, like you said, etc. etc. and does not deserve a Yankee plaque.
And neither does Posada, and Bernie.
#51, #20, and #46 does not equal #3, #4, and #5.
It cheapens what Ruth, and Gehrig and Joe D did.
Those three are immortals, Bernie and Andy and the rest were instumental in all those championships, but do not merit special honor.
If you include those three, you must include Scott Brosisus, who had more clutch hits than all of them not named Matsui.
The guys (my guys) never mentioned were equally important, if not more important were Tino, O'Neill, Brosius, and Matsui, you can even throw in Mussina, without Mussina coming in middle relief in the third inning and matching Pedro pitch for pitch and bailing out Clemens (yes, he was a cheat) in game 7 against Boston in 2003, Yanks never advance.
What Moose did that game is almost as equal to what Mad-Bum did in game 7.
Here's your problem Benny, you seem likeable enough, but you have that e-swagger that pisses a lot of people off.
You think your shit don't stink, you think your opinion is the end all, be all, and your opinion is the only opinion, and is the correct one, and if somebody else thinks othewise, you go off.
Bottom line is you are a good handicapper, not as good as you think, but then why should I get all worked up over somebody who said statistics and math don't belong in baseball handicapping, and a guy who once labeled Joe Torre and "trust fund baby"
That one is an all time Benny classic, in a long list of ignorant Benny classics.
Carry on slick.