[2daBank]

You said exactly what I was about to say. If they shake the teams around this much week to week, wtf is the point of releasing a weekly ranking.

I think the committee tipped their hand last week.

They want a Bama/FSU Sugar bowl because of the region factor so they dropped FSU to #4.

They want TCU/Oregon in the Rose Bowl because that would be an awesome game to watch.

Most people on here know I'm a Big 12 guy but I have a problem with putting TCU in over Baylor because Baylor beat them head to head. I also have a problem putting Baylor in because they played trash OOC.

Since Baylor and TCU were co champions and didn't have to play a conference championship game, I would put Ohio State in the Rose Bowl against Oregon in a class Big 10/Pac 12 showdown so the Big 12 will get it's shit together.

Ohio State has been more impressive than TCU and Baylor the last month imo. I watch TCU struggle with Kansas and Baylor struggle with OSU and Tech.

Meanwhile, Ohio State drubbed Michigan State on the road and proved they are legit with their 3rd string QB tonight.

Also, I'm sick of people using quality of loss as a factor. TCU lost to Baylor so they should go in ahead of Baylor because Baylor lost to WVU. Shouldn't the head to head win Baylor has over TCU matter more than who each team lost to?

Shouldn't wins like Ohio State's win over Michigan State trump TCU's loss to Baylor? Who is the best team TCU has beaten? K-State who will finish like #17?

I don't have a problem w tcu in ahead of Baylor despite the loss to Baylor. It was a 3 point gm at Baylor. Home field generally excepted as worth 3(give or take) so dunno why it so easy for ppl to wrap it in a bow sayin tcu can't be ahead due to the loss when it wasn't a neutral site gm and was so close..I'm guessing u put those 2 in a conf championship gm on a neutral field next week and tcu is the fav, wouldn't you agree? I

I'm with you tho, even if I think either or both are better than Osu I say put buckeyes in to teach big12 that if u wanna be treated like a power conf act like 1. Get more teams and determine a champ not some co-champ bs. If u can't decide who ur own champ why should we..

Point of the ranking is it good for all the talk all over the network shelling out all the money for this playoff. Of coarse fsu was slid to 4th simply cause of the bama matchup and whether they do it or not no they wouldn't or won't have any problem leapfrogging someone else to 3rd and tcu to 5th. Why would they? They have said as much that it a week to week deal..

[No coincidences]

Committee put themselves in this undesirable position by dropping FSU and jumping-up TCU to 3rd

Should have been before today's games

1. Fl St
2. Ala
3. Oregon
4. Baylor

A good case could be made for dropping Baylor and putting OSU in 4th after today's games

I never say this to Sammy, but egg-fvcking-xactly.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Shouldn't their wins over Michigan State and Wisconsin 59-0 count more than an early season loss when they were breaking in a new QB?

It doesn't make sense that TCU gets ranked higher because of who they lost to when the team they lost to is Baylor.

Although they are nice wins, their schedule as a whole is pretty awful

I would pick Baylor over Ohio State and TCU personally......Home wins over K State and TCU....Away wins against Oklahoma and Texas

More impressive than Ohio State's body of work and a forgivable loss @ West Virginia, a decent team in an historically tough place to play

I also would choose TCU over Ohio State just due to overall body of work......Only loss @ Baylor by 3

[2daBank]

You can't leap frog Baylor over Ohio State.

Ohio State was #5 and Baylor was #6 coming into tonight.

How would Baylor leap OSU given that OSU had a way more impressive win on a neutral field and was already ranked ahead of Baylor?

I think you can leap Ohio State over TCU.

It should be like this.

1. Bama
2. Oregon
3. FSU
4. Ohio State
5. Baylor
6. TCU


With that said the only spot that will change possibly is #3.

Bama is playing FSU in he Sugar and Oregon will be in the Rose.

They can leap whoever they want w whomever they would like to see. It their rodeo and they have already given themselves that out with the way they saying something to the effect last weeks rank has nothing to do w next basically.,

[MoneyLineDawg]

Understandably so but they have better wins, and in blow out fashion. It'll be interesting to see if the committee values best wins or best loss.

It's not one or the other in my eyes....Overall body of work, big wins, bad losses, and everything in between

[No coincidences]

Yep, TCU is +180

Then next year, they shouldn't even bother putting rankings out during the regular season.

[No coincidences]

They can leap whoever they want w whomever they would like to see. It their rodeo and they have already given themselves that out with the way they saying something to the effect last weeks rank has nothing to do w next basically.,

In other words, there is zero point to having a "top four" any week other than the last.

[shady610]

people are debating this like its a bcs formula. this is all about the eyball test. they are picking the four they see as the best teams. this is why fsu dropped and could be left out.

fsu is undefeated, but they have been unimpressive as well.

[Sam Odom]

Almost 100% sure the Top 2 will not change Ala & Ore. The committee will NOT let them play against each other in Rd-1

Comm also wants Ala v Fl St in Rd-1 - So FSU has to stay at #4

The committee will look like tools or fools if OSU jumps to #3

Will be interesting

[2daBank]

Then next year, they shouldn't even bother putting rankings out during the regular season.

Espn ain't having that. Wtf will they talk about?

[stealthyburrito]

Doesn't matter, none of their front runners lost.

ill wager $200 to a buckeye charity they dont make the field

[smitch124]

Doesn't matter, none of their front runners lost.

ill wager $200 to a buckeye charity they dont make the field

According to 5 dimes you can get + money saying OSU doesn't make the field.

[2daBank]

In other words, there is zero point to having a "top four" any week other than the last.

Other than something for espn bobble heads and fans to bitch about every week? none whatsoever..

Maybe they will stay true to last weeks 4 but I seriously doubt it. Think we all pretty much agree why fsu 4 (and it has nothing to do with how they have looked) and they ain't moving. So u disagree w tcu in but feel like it asinine to shove them to 5 or 6 and jump either Baylor or Osu into 3rd?

[Sam Odom]

In other words, there is zero point to having a "top four" any week other than the last.

Seems that way...

Maybe they will list 4 teams as equally eligible in alphabetical order next year then begin the ranking at #5 ....

[BigDofBA]

I think TCU is better than Baylor but I can't discount Baylor's win over TCU.

Why even play the damn games?

Since the Big 12 can't tell us who the true champion is, put Ohio State in.

I'm pissed the Big 12 let teams like Mizzou, A&M, and Nebraska leave and they thought adding TCU and WVU would be sufficient to sustain the league.

The Big 12 had chances to go after Louisville and Cincy but blew it. Louisville would have been a good get and Cincy would have been a good media network to tap into.

Co champs is BS.

[stealthyburrito]

Raise it $500 if OSU makes the field. L

[No coincidences]

So u disagree w tcu in but feel like it asinine to shove them to 5 or 6 and jump either Baylor or Osu into 3rd?

I disagreed with TCU being No. 3 in the first place.

But since they were, they should be in. That's the decision the committee made. If they renege on that for no reason at all, then there's no point to any of this.

[SilverTongueFox]

Couldn't it be argued that the Big12 is the only conference that has a true champion. It's only power 5 conference where you play every team in the conference. Why do you need a champ game if you've already played every team. In event of two teams with same conference record then you go to head to head. Baylor is conference champ.

I loved to see 10 team conferences in lieu of 14/16 team conferences so you play every team. No need for champ game to decide conference winner. To me Big12 has it right.

i would like like to see a system made up of 6 conferences / 10 teams. 11 games - 9 conference & 2 out of conference. 6 team playoff conference winners. 2 conference champs with best record get1st rd bye. No at large. Regular season means everything. Screw ranking except for breaking ties & seeding playoff. Just let computers rank me like old BCS system. Use bowl system for remaining 54 teams.

[2daBank]

I disagreed with TCU being No. 3 in the first place.

But since they were, they should be in. That's the decision the committee made. If they renege on that for no reason at all, then there's no point to any of this.

Gotcha. Understandable. It is beyond ridiculous w/o a doubt. Feel like it almost a certainty tho. I actually agree with tcu being in even tho I know I'm in the minority in thinking they should be ahead of Baylor despite losing a close gm at Baylor. wouldn't have had a problem if Baylor was already in their spot either. Since Baylor was behind Osu seems very crazy they jump them too, no clue why the hell Baylor was behind Osu? I have bigger problem with that than tcu ahead of Baylor actually. Who knows, I think both the big12 teams more deserving than Osu but seems like Osu makes for a easier out for them for a lot of reasons..

[Sam Odom]

OSU aint getting much love with the National beat writers outside of FANS -

[2daBank]

Couldn't it be argued that the Big12 is the only conference that has a true champion. It's only power 5 conference where you play every team in the conference. Why do you need a champ game if you've already played every team. In event of two teams with same conference record then you go to head to head. Baylor is conference champ.

I loved to see 10 team conferences in lieu of 14/16 team conferences so you play every team. No need for champ game to decide conference winner. To me Big12 has it right.

I have a real problem w squeaking out a 3 point win at home determining you as the champ when you yourself went on the road and lost a gm to a far lesser team. Put tcu/Baylor on a neutral next week and then you have a champ. I'd agree they have it right then.

[SilverTongueFox]

I have a real problem w squeaking out a 3 point win at home determining you as the champ when you yourself went on the road and lost a gm to a far lesser team. Put tcu/Baylor on a neutral next week and then you have a champ. I'd agree they have it right then.

So Mizzou squeaks out 1pt win over Bama today on neutral field and really think they are conference champ. Didn't see LSU, AU, Miss or Miss St. I sure as he'll don't think that's right. At least Baylor & TCU played and both played every other team in conference.

[MoneyLineDawg]

So Mizzou squeaks out 1pt win over Bama today on neutral field and really think they are conference champ. Didn't see LSU, AU, Miss or Miss St. I sure as he'll don't think that's right. At least Baylor & TCU played and both played every other team in conference.

Yes, they would be....The regular season is used to put yourself in position to play a conference championship on a neutral field

In the NFL, a 9-7 wildcard team that is considered 10th best in the league can get hot in the playoffs, win a Super Bowl....they are still champions at the end of the day

Big 12 needs a conference championship game on a neutral field.....Just like the rest of the country

[2daBank]

So Mizzou squeaks out 1pt win over Bama today on neutral field and really think they are conference champ. Didn't see LSU, AU, Miss or Miss St. I sure as he'll don't think that's right. At least Baylor & TCU played.

Mizzou wouldn't have made the big10 championship gm and certainly woulda lost 3 gms in big12 so honestly i don't know the answer. Of coarse there was no chance in hell of them squeaking out a win today.

Like I said I dunno, I'm not a fan of anything other than watching and gambling on it so far as I'm concerned they can pluck the 4 teams out of thin air long as the matchups are intriguing, which seemingly what they doing and I like it exactly how they had it coming in. If they switch it around so be it I'll still bet on it and be entertained. That much more important to me than any sense of fairness for ppl I don't know.

[raydog]

a post from computerbob... referring to Nate Silver (google him if you dont know him)...

After the late games, now Silver has the chance of a playoff spot: Bama and Oregon 100%, TCU 91%, FSU 68%, OSU 40%, Baylor 1%.

then bob adds...

He relies on the history of the coaches poll to predict a team's relative movement from one week to the next. Way too much reliance, IMO, on this element. I would make my guesses, FSU 85%, OSU 60%, TCU 50%, Baylor 5%

[Sam Odom]

a post from computerbob... referring to Nate Silver (google him if you dont know him)...

Full & more info already here

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...s-dec-7th.html

[SilverTongueFox]

Mizzou wouldn't have made the big10 championship gm and certainly woulda lost 3 gms in big12 so honestly i don't know the answer. Of coarse there was no chance in hell of them squeaking out a win today.

Like I said I dunno, I'm not a fan of anything other than watching and gambling on it so far as I'm concerned they can pluck the 4 teams out of thin air long as the matchups are intriguing, which seemingly what they doing and I like it exactly how they had it coming in. If they switch it around so be it I'll still bet on it and be entertained. That much more important to me than any sense of fairness for ppl I don't know.

i hear you brother. If Georgia ain't in the conversation and they usually aren't (lol) I really don't care who the 4 teams that get picked. I just don't buy into conference champ games really decide true conference champs. How can it when strength of schedules vary so much within conference when you only play 8/9 of the 14 teams. Like I said above Mizzou didn't have to play any of the heavy hitters in the SEC West until Bama in the champ game. Had they lucked up and beat Bama yes you can call them SEC champs bc they won the conf champ game but.........true conf champs. I just ain't buying it.

Have you talked to BiifT? Just wondering how he's doing.

[raydog]

Full & more info already here

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...s-dec-7th.html

my bad, sammy... good stuff

[2daBank]

i hear you brother. If Georgia ain't in the conversation and they usually aren't (lol) I really don't care who the 4 teams that get picked. I just don't buy into conference champ games really decide true conference champs. How can it when strength of schedules vary so much within conference when you only play 8/9 of the 14 teams. Like I said above Mizzou didn't have to play any of the heavy hitters in the SEC West until Bama in the champ game. Had they lucked up and beat Bama yes you can call them SEC champs bc they won the conf champ game but.........true conf champs. I just ain't buying it.

Have you talked to BiifT? Just wondering how he's doing.

Yea I don't like the way mizzou somehow made it to champ gm so I hear ya. I been saying for weeks they luck boxed themselves into this gm today. It just hard for me to except Baylor is more deserving than tcu based off a 3 point home win when we know home field worth those 3 points.. My thinking is on a neutral 2marro tcu would be favored over Baylor. I think they the better team and think frogs/ducks be a really good gm. Maybe Baylor would be as well I just don't think they as good. Shit for most that gm tcu was taking it to them till those last 8 minutes when Baylor went crazy..not like I can sit here and really argue against Baylor cause they did beat them, I just don't care much and kinda like that the committee doesn't seem to either (for now).

Na I havnt heard from biff.. I'll shoot him a text 2marro and see how he doing.,

[STAX]

people are debating this like its a bcs formula. this is all about the eyball test. they are picking the four they see as the best teams. this is why fsu dropped and could be left out.

fsu is undefeated, but they have been unimpressive as well.

this guy gets it, everyone else is stuck with BCS-minded thinking. It is ALL about the eye test... who are the best 4 teams in the contry right now? not in week 2, not a month ago... RIGHT FUKKING NOW! Alabama, Oregon, Ohio State, and Florida State in that order. That's my eye ball test rankings, and that's how it is gonna play out. Bet you ass it will. I said all along that if Ohio State took care of WIsconsin they would eventually pass TCU... and they will, no question about it:

[Big Bear]

59-0

Aint nobody wanna play the Buckeyes.

Bama fans are scared as hell after what they saw last night.

Cardel Jones is the truth!

[grease lightnin]

Buckeyes passed the eyeball test last night.

[STAX]

Buckeyes passed the eyeball test last night.

They did more than pass the test, they handed the test right back to the teacher, said fukk you, and still got an A

[navyblue81]

Shouldn't their wins over Michigan State and Wisconsin 59-0 count more than an early season loss when they were breaking in a new QB?

It doesn't make sense that TCU gets ranked higher because of who they lost to when the team they lost to is Baylor.

I think the argument against Ohio State is how weak the Big 10 is. It's not a great conference. And I think TCU/Baylor had a great chance to land above Ohio State UNTIL Oklahoma lost last night. That hurt the Big 12 a lot, and now I'm beginning to wonder if OSU will make a leap.

By the eyeball test and what I've seen from these three teams (and I watched all three these teams a lot), TCU is the best of the bunch. While Ohio State looked good last night, they also struggled a lot against Indiana and Michigan most recently on their home field. I would put TCU in simply because I think they're the better team. But if you go by deserving, then I think Baylor has the best shot.

[Big Bear]

How weak the Big 10 is ???????

Mizzou who is the 2nd place team in the SEC lost at home to Indiana who is one of the worst teams in the Big 10.