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    if this was an inside job then the gametimes wouldn't be posted later than when they really started. it would look completely normal. they could edit whatever they want in the backend. I'm not buying this angle. especially from a poster who just created an account today!

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    Dude above with Betting Resource.... GTFO! You dare to advertise your expense losing service in time out finding out the truth. You should be banned from all Casinos and Sportsbook. Get out of the forum "gloriesam"!

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    Whom ever is a member. Please post results so we can see how they do.

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    Also I was digging through some other cappers on HWD to see if this was a widespread thing and I found that RochesterTitans looked to have done the same thing just last week in NCAAF. I was going to show some examples here but when I just checked HWD he is no longer on there. When I check his webpage he still has his link to HWD but when you click it, it says user not found.

    Here is the email I sent to HWD regarding RochesterTitans last week
    I had emailed earlier concerning Hitting Paydirt's NCAAF record from last year but this looks to be an ongoing thing. Having not heard back from you is making me believe that you are complicit in this fraud or just don't care. Unfortunately you should care because you are supposed to be tracking these cappers. People look to be past posting in NCAAF where kickoff times constantly shift and are often TBD until a week or two before the game.
    Look at the plays from RochesterTitans NCAAF plays this week.
    Listed Record for the Past 7 Days 15-4 +49 Units
    Games With Right Time Listed 2-3 -11.5 Units
    Games With Wrong Time Listed 13-1 +60.5 Units (Any good scammer knows you have to throw in a loser)
    Out of the 5 games with the right time listed there is only one play per game. All of the games with the wrong time listed multiple plays on each game including 4 alone that of course all won on the Florida / Tennessee game.
    I have been digging at this all day and the more I look the more I find. I can only imagine how people are exploiting this with UFC and other events.

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    I will post as a current subscriber, four months in.

    i wont make any comments on last years results or alleged fake records, all i will say is what I know.

    i started using them in June for MLB. Following every play from MLB and now NFL and NCAAF, i am in the positive. Not a huge amount, but around 8 units or so.

    I like their anaylsis, i like their plays, and i like their volume (very selective).

    it is a little fishy that nobody has heard of them until this year. They very well may have fudged their records last year to increase subscriptions this year, but honestly i dont care at this point. If I was deciding whether or not to play them, then I may be more upset, but since i already have them, their last year results dont matter to me. i will continue to follow until i start losing, then I'll call them out for performance. But i believe that will not happen based on what I've seen from them so far.

    i have noticed a couple discrepancies from their plays to HWD site. All plays have been listed, but 2-3 times the units were wrong. They had a 2 unit loss only graded as a 1 unit loss. On the flip side, they released a few 1.5 unit plays that won and were only documented as 1 unit wins because HWD doesnt do half units. So it all washes. And again, i dont care if their records arent accurate. I know i have won from what they have sent me. It does make it harder for people trying to figure out if they want to purchase though...

    they also release plays two ways. VIP gets text messages usually several days before their official email release, especially with football. Plays move a lot by the time the email plays are released. I have had issues even with VIP getting their lines, but it's never off by more than 0.5-1 pts.

    They released SDSU over 47 on Wednesday this week. Game is tonight. Email went out today. Line is at 53. I was able to get 48 Wednesday about two hours after their release as I was working and couldn't get it right away, so maybe 47 would have been there for me if i got it right away.

    bottom line, im happy with the production so far and excited about their future plays. I will post another honest review if the service goes downhill and I'm not happy.

    figured I'd give them a good review from a happy customer since everything else in here is negative. Lots of speculation. Would like to hear from another subscriber on this. I'm happy and I'm guessing another subscriber would be too.

    they are also affordable compared to many others out there...

    good luck to all! (PS lets go burns NHL!)

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    I am pretty much in agreement with you nich. I do like their plays, analysis, and their volume. Not sure how you can be happy with the production as they are basically break even, even with their lines. I just find it shady the lines they release and if they fudged their record last year that is a big red flag to me. Look on HWD for their play from TNF yesterday and look at what you played. Do you see a difference, because I do. All that extra juice I lay to get their lines adds up and when I don't lay it I get screwed about 10% of the time. This type of stuff adds up over time. Luckily since they are low volume its not too bad, but between the service cost and all of the extra juice I am down well over 1k in 90 days.

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    ^^^^I can second this to the last word.

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    Yes i do see a difference. They released texans +3. It is listed as texans +2.5. So thats a mistake NOT in their favor. Their graded result is wrong, it should be -1.1 units instead of -1.0 units, but I guess that would be on HWD not HPD.

    im happy with their results because i haven't lost! I've subscribed to many a service only to lose 10-20 units in the first two weeks lol (as we all have!). But you are right, factor in the cost, and it's less.

    Jury is still out for me, I'm happy so far, but we shall see. They have said that this is the same time as last year when they started doing really well, because they have the data and numbers behind them now. I am a lot more skeptical as to what results will come based on the speculation in here though.

    Ill update again in a week or two and see how results continue. They do make a lot of plays against the public though, which we all know in the long run is usually a good thing. Jets NFL sunday against broncos. You damn well know public will be all over Denver and wants nothing to do with Jets based on their last few weeks, they look horrible. So i really like that play. Doesn't mean it will win, but hopefully it does!

    again, good luck to all in your betting choices!

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    Oh and you are correct drsteve, they are about dead even last 90 days (July -sep). I happened to get on them in June and they had a very good month then so thats the difference in me being up about 8 units. Just thought i would clear the number differences up.

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    Yeah they released Texans +3 which I didn't get at -110 even though that's what they claimed. I have 3 outs and the best I could get was -120. On top of that it's on HWD as Texans +2.5 +100 which is a difference of 20. You know if HWD made a mistake the other way the game ended with the Texans losing by 3 and HWD graded it as a loss they would be emailing them to change it but if the mistake is in their favor they let it slide because it is to their benefit. I know for a fact that HWD is not involved in this now because a friend of mine has been in contact with them and they deleted Paydirts entire record prior to 2014 due to the shady plays from last year.

    Kudos to Handicappers Watchdog for doing this and I take back any bad things I ever said about you guys I'm sure you have a million other things going on and it takes time to get to every issue.

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    Yes you are right, I got it at -115, but i use local books, so could take longer for numbers to move. I dont do any 5Dimes, pinnacle, etc....

    now that you mention the difference of letting HWD keep that play listed as only -100, i wonder what their tracked units are at? Does theirs match HWD? Or does what they release correspond to when they update YTD results in their emails?

    Their NFL says +6.6 units this year. What i will do is track what happens this weekend, record their results compared to what HWD shows and see where they claim they are at. They usually send their ytd +/- units at least once during the week. Let's see if it is their own record, or if it matches HWD. If it matches HWD, then im in agreement with you. Those results will be well off come seasons end.

    send me a PM drsteve, we can compare what we are getting and try and track together...

    and their baseball play worked the opposite this week. They played Nationals at +126 and it was only graded as +120 on HWD. So technically less there.... (Of course i was able to get +122, right in between, lol)

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    I've been following their social media account. They're not responding back to anything. I also found out that there's no "Mark". It's only "A.J." running the show with 2 accounts.

    Handicapper Watchdog was called out as well. HWD response was "Handicappers Watchdog has always been and will always be 100% honest".

    What a joke!!

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    Yeah I got the Nationals at +122 as well. I almost shit when I saw HWD had it at +120 the first time I ever came out ahead. I honestly think they are a good service. The give good insight, I like their look ahead lines and they analysis. I just don't know why if they are so good why they have to nickel and dime everything. Hopefully they go on a run and we won't even be concerned about any of this.

    I can say 2 things about them:
    1. They have never put me in a big hole by going on a terrible streak.
    2. I usually am in agreement with all of their plays.

    I think a little honesty goes a long way in this business for customers. The way they are running things it seems like they are more worried about getting new customers than retaining existing customers and that business model runs itself dry after you have already ruined your reputation. Hopefully they learn from this and focus more on handicapping instead of touting.

    Handicappers Watchdog showed me that honesty and integrity today and I will defend them any time someone tries to talk shit on them.

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    I just got a Tw**t from HWD. They just BANNED Hitting Paydirt!!! YES!!!

    Another scum TOUT gone!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gloriesam View Post
    Most of the repliers and the thread started in the thread are affiliated with other services. This whole service play in every forum is a joke and its sole purpose is to penetrate up the bettors. Many decent cappers sway away from their own games after reading some ridiculous picks from ridiculous cappers. It is safe to bet that you can find all sort of info on both side of the games and all sort of cappers on every side leaving the bettor confused and not sticking with their own plays. This leads them to penetrate up and making random plays that will either land them around 50% or make them lose in the long run.

    Forums don't let winning services get posted or discussed. Good example is bettingresource, a real winning service that all forums don't want. Instead we get these preceived so caled winning cappers such as ras/drbob etc that you will never be able to use to your advantage. This forum has banned many bettingresource clients have have had their usernames for many years with over 1000 posts just for simply saying positive thing about bettingresource. I had a 4 year old user name with about 2k posts, and i was banned because i posted a positive comment about bettingresource in one of the threads. The common practice is that if you post your positive experience about bettingresource, they label you as bettingresource themselves and ban you.

    In reality, bettingresource is the only service that wins. They even exposed these so called watchdog sites and sports documenters in an article using their own experience with those services. It is a great article named sports monitors or something like that in their article section that everyone must read.

    I cant believe the stupidity in the replies in this thread. It is obvious that hittingpaydirt is owned by the handicappingwatchdog site themselves. They HPD didnt take advantage of a glitch in HWD---there was no glitch. Since they are the admin, they can post the picks after the game ends to pad the results. Bettingnresource exposed many scams like this even before these dirtbags did this last year.

    I really feel sorry for all of you. But again most of you are services themselves in sheeps clothign so i hope all the readers understand that and act cautiously.
    I can't believe people are still defending these handicapper watch dogs and services like hittingpaydirt scams after i made this quoted post.

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    These handicapper watch dog or documented sites top spots can be bought for price. And some of the top spots are reserved for the services owned by the watchdogs themselves. You guys are so naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nexus13 View Post
    I just got a Tw**t from HWD. They just BANNED Hitting Paydirt!!! YES!!!

    Another scum TOUT gone!!
    once again so naive. of course they have to ban them after this debacle. But don't worry, soon HWD will pimp a new service the same way and do a quick collect from idiots believing that the service is good because HWD gives them the approval. hmsportshandicapping, topratedcappers etc are some of the other shady services they pimp out. I am sure they learned from the hittingpaydirt debacle, so they will try better to cover the tracks this time around.
    Last edited by gloriesam; 10-10-14 at 07:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gloriesam View Post
    once again so naive. of course they have to ban them after this debacle. But don't worry, soon HWD will pimp a new service the same way and do a quick collect from idiots believing that the service is good because HWD gives them the approval. hmsportshandicapping, topratedcappers etc are some of the other shady services they pimp out. I am sure they learned from the hittingpaydirt debacle, so they will try better to cover the tracks this time around.
    alright you gloryhole gazer, get your newbie self and your self-Betting Resource promoting out of here. If you want to talk about naïve, I would say you're an idiot for spending a fortune on a service like Betting Resource.

    We all know you're a shill. You don't just come in here talking like this. GTFO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nexus13 View Post
    I've been following their social media account. They're not responding back to anything. I also found out that there's no "Mark". It's only "A.J." running the show with 2 accounts.

    Handicapper Watchdog was called out as well. HWD response was "Handicappers Watchdog has always been and will always be 100% honest".

    What a joke!!
    That makes sense since AJ was the ONLY one that I remember being posted in the LVRJ POD and haven't seen since about three years ago.
    There is a reason why HPD hasn't been posted in at least the last year, the LVRJ may know why.
    Last edited by boomerbust; 10-10-14 at 08:42 PM. Reason: Type left out

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    I'm glad idiotic tw**ts from HPD stopped. I would suggest new subscribers to get the money back for a refund. Dispute your transactions. I do not trust Hitting Paydirt. They're in the same rank as the Animals in my opinion.

    My trust for this TOUT industry is in negative percentage now. It's was 0 % to begin with. I also do not trust Handicappers Watchdog. Alex gave no answer of explanation and kept defending his website.

    I have always said TOUT=Scumbags!

    But this one was quite a bit devastating than the most.

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    Its sad that it came to all of this......................

    However, goes to show everyone all of the built up anxiety they had regards to this service.

    Watchdog has done what he had to, with that being said it should have never came to this at all !

    Its obvious there was an underlining issue the whole time an it went unattended. With that being said hopefully moving forward it wont happen again.

    With regards to Paydirt................ Boy o Boy I can imagine the emails In the last few hours ? They sure have a WHOLE Lot of Explaining to DO I would think.

    Very interesting to see what will be said If anything. Hopefully someone will update us all on IT.

    In regards to betting resources They were very fraudulent just a couple of years ago when they dropped close to - 250 units and BUSTED Everyone OUT. That was documented by a few posters on here and for months they hide all of their records online. I know for a 100 % FACT.........
    AS I Exposed them.................................... ....... Not to mention they were given many chances to come out and clear it all UP. Never once did they. I Exposed them on TALKGOLD Forum. 100% FRAUDS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nexus13 View Post
    I'm glad idiotic tw**ts from HPD stopped. I would suggest new subscribers to get the money back for a refund. Dispute your transactions. I do not trust Hitting Paydirt. They're in the same rank as the Animals in my opinion.

    My trust for this TOUT industry is in negative percentage now. It's was 0 % to begin with. I also do not trust Handicappers Watchdog. Alex gave no answer of explanation and kept defending his website.

    I have always said TOUT=Scumbags!

    But this one was quite a bit devastating than the most.
    i called out AJ in various emails and tweets over the last month. He accused myself and other subscribers of posting there picks(which we didn't, and I never saw anything here or any other forum) then temporarily stopped sending the picks to us and permanently stopped responding to emails.

    In addition to the HWD scandal, his other major fault was screwing himself on social media with fake twitter followers, multiple twitter accounts promoting his own service, and fake shill accounts here. People sniffed this out easily, and he blocked them or cutoff there picks. Not exactly a business model for long term success.

    HWD is also to blame for this. They are an unaudited service that anyone could setup, so I put no faith in them. They have been contacted about discrepancies with HPD since at least July and done nothing.

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    wow HWD just removed HPD from the website

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indeep View Post
    i called out AJ in various emails and tweets over the last month. He accused myself and other subscribers of posting there picks(which we didn't, and I never saw anything here or any other forum) then temporarily stopped sending the picks to us and permanently stopped responding to emails.

    In addition to the HWD scandal, his other major fault was screwing himself on social media with fake twitter followers, multiple twitter accounts promoting his own service, and fake shill accounts here. People sniffed this out easily, and he blocked them or cutoff there picks. Not exactly a business model for long term success.

    HWD is also to blame for this. They are an unaudited service that anyone could setup, so I put no faith in them. They have been contacted about discrepancies with HPD since at least July and done nothing.
    Now AJ plays dumb and act like he doesn't know anything about anything. And offer no explanation. Yea so much for being Holier than Thou on every Sundays and 100% honesty on the service.

    I know you're reading this AJ.

    I agree HWD is to blame for this too. Alex we don't trust your monitoring service. Your monitoring service is far from being honest.

    I know you're reading this too Alex.

    Bottom line is that... If it's too good to be true. It probably is too good to be true. In your case Hitting Paydirt... You're just a low life scumbag fraud Tout bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paw View Post
    Watchdog has done what he had to, with that being said it should have never came to this at all !

    Its obvious there was an underlining issue the whole time an it went unattended. With that being said hopefully moving forward it wont happen again.
    Sounds like you are the owner of watchdog. REgardless, that site is a scam. They don't even get that many visitors and this can be verified by quick traffic report at alexa. According to alexa they average about 150 visits/hits per day which is too small for a legit watch dog site. Most of the hits/visits are by these scam cappers/services owned by watchdog themselves logging into post plays. But you keep preaching what you want, you will probably get some idiots.

    Quote Originally Posted by paw View Post
    In regards to betting resources They were very fraudulent just a couple of years ago when they dropped close to - 250 units and BUSTED Everyone OUT. That was documented by a few posters on here and for months they hide all of their records online. I know for a 100 % FACT.........
    AS I Exposed them.................................... ....... Not to mention they were given many chances to come out and clear it all UP. Never once did they. I Exposed them on TALKGOLD Forum. 100% FRAUDS.
    LOL at going bust with -250 units. If you follow bettingresource's recommended money management it will take -333.33 units to go bust. Most of the $10 bettors who joined through buy groups were betting 5% or even higher and they probably went bankrupt. I have been with br for over 2 years and there is nothing fraudulent about their service. They had about 200 unit downswing in 2012 in a span of about 1.5 month but made back everything plus more the 2 months right after that downswing. But their biggest downswing was oct/november of 2013 where they dipped close to 250 units but in the following month and a half directly after they made about 300 units. Of course if you have problem with money management, you cant win. BR is the only service that has a clear set money management and actually makes plays with in those money management and wins consistently. There is no other way to beat the books. All these other touts hiding behind scam monitoring services and their shady winning % without any lines or odds or staking plan are simply marketers who will make the book rich and bettors go broke.

    Funny that you admitted that you are not a client in one of your posts about br before but you claim to expose them. Even if you are to expose them about their downswing, there is nothing to expose sinceall their results including the worst downswing is listed in the home page. You make some idiotically funny comments when yous say crap like "they were given many chances to come out and clear it all UP. Never once did they." HAHAH. As if br scares about scavenger scums like you lol. Why would they waste time explaining things to non clients when they ar in constant touch with their clients via email and all results are posted in the website including the big downswings that you mention.

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    Bettingresource is a fuking scam. Surprise that 747planes doesn't show up when br is mentioned. Takes -333.33 units to go bust...... hahaha

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    HPD goes 2-0 today funny if he wins 18 in a row. Must start winning to stay in business ?

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    Its always nice to hit a Panic button with a poster whom has 5 total posts and OF Course Defends BR.

    Same storyline Over and Over and Over........................ Nothing like going down 250 units . Please were do I sign up at ? LOL


    GO AWAY 5 POSTER SHILL. Goes to show, the Idiots that buy into this Marketing CRAP

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneguy View Post
    Bettingresource is a fuking scam. Surprise that 747planes doesn't show up when br is mentioned. Takes -333.33 units to go bust...... hahaha
    Yea exactly my thoughts. Not to mention their 8 units per play BS. Very comical.

    Go shill somewhere else you Gloryhole gazer!

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    I will give credit to the owner or BR Isn't always funny how he shows up as a shill when another service or something fraudulent comes up and all of a sudden Here comes the BR to the rescue.

    Its unreal how full of crap they are.

    Lets not lose site of the original dilemma with Paydirt and their close to + 200 units in football last season.

    Maybe the same owner owns both sites. As they love that 200 unit mark. HAHAHAHHAHA

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    Yep it's about HPD not BR ?

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    "AJ" is blocking people on social media now. He was getting called out left and right. He doesn't even have a decency to offer viable explanation. Not that it would matter anyways.

    But atleast publically admit that you F'd up.

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    He's guilty he's going have trouble making money. Even he has a winning season people won't believe it ?

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    True Words Spoken.

    Quote Originally Posted by hallandale View Post
    He's guilty he's going have trouble making money. Even he has a winning season people won't believe it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallandale View Post
    He's guilty he's going have trouble making money. Even he has a winning season people won't believe it ?
    Since they are now monitoring their own picks, that will pretty much guarantee every season is a +100 unit season. What a bunch of frauds!!

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