1. 06-23-14 08:44 AM #1
    simmy17
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    Cubs Reds Line

    Last night the red opened -118 favs now up to +104 i really liked the reds even at -118 not im a little scared of the line

    Never mind looks like my book made a mistake going by sbr line history Chicago opened at minus favorites
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  2. 06-23-14 08:52 AM #2
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    Cubs are at home with the better pitcher. It makes since to me that they are the favorites.
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  3. 06-23-14 10:32 AM #3
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    The better pitcher? Simon is by far the best in this match up. At least this year any way
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  4. 06-23-14 11:25 AM #4
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    Simon isn't/wasn't the better pitcher IMO, he was the one with more or luck and better run support.
    When you look at Simon's stats you see a 5.58 K/9, 2.23 BB/9, 1.12 HR/9, 12.6% HR/FB. You wouldn't expect a guy with those numbers to have an ERA of 3.05, let alone 10-3 W-L. His BABIP is fairly low, his LOB% is very high, FIP, xFIP and SIERA are much higher than his ERA. I expect Simon's ERA to get worse as the season progresses.
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  5. 06-23-14 11:59 AM #5
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    Samardzija aint nothin special in my opinion...
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  6. 06-23-14 12:07 PM #6
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    I haven't seen him enough to argue against it, but he 'beats' Simon in nearly all relevant statistical categories. And his sabermetric numbers are much closer to his ERA than the sabermetrics of Simon.
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  7. 06-23-14 12:14 PM #7
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    I think everyone is forgetting how hot the reds are and hitting well
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  8. 06-23-14 12:28 PM #8
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    I read today where Smrzutvkdja is 0-5 with a 4.79 in his last 10 starts vs the Reds. They've always hit hard throwers better than guys that can change speeds. Phillips may not play but I still like the Reds. Their pen has been brutal but they did get 8 ip from Leake and Cueto in their last 2 games so atleast they got a little rest. The Reds have kicked the shit out of the Cubs in general in Wrigley.....haven't lost a series there in forever
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  9. 06-23-14 12:45 PM #9
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    Yeah but this line just look like a classic cubs line in my opinion... Just one of those games where you cant find any reason to like the cubs yet some how they win... Not saying they win or lose today just saying the line definitely makes me wonder...
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  10. 06-23-14 01:14 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by farmhouse1 View Post
    Samardzija aint nothin special in my opinion...
    But he is MUCH better than Simon normally. The wild card here though is that the Reds have always had Shark's number as Fred the Hammer alluded to.
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  11. 06-23-14 01:40 PM #11
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    Cubs 0-4 in simardzija last 4 starts against the reds....
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    But he is MUCH better than Simon normally. The wild card here though is that the Reds have always had Shark's number as Fred the Hammer alluded to.
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  12. 06-23-14 01:42 PM #12
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    Cubs ML and under
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  13. 06-23-14 01:43 PM #13
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    Doesn't matter if the Cubs have the better pitcher, they haven't been able to win all year for him anyway.
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  14. 06-23-14 01:48 PM #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by farmhouse1 View Post
    Cubs 0-4 in simardzija last 4 starts against the reds....
    Right, goes right to what I said about Reds having his number. Well, the 0-4 is meaningless in itself, but it is the fact that they have hit him hard. I think he's had one Quality Start in his last five tries against them.

    But if you compare Simardzija vs. Simon vs. the league this year, Shark blows Simon away in every meaningful stat. So it all depends how much you value head-to-head numbers.
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  15. 06-23-14 01:50 PM #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbeduagain View Post
    The better pitcher? Simon is by far the best in this match up. At least this year any way
    Lol, I'd like to know how u come to that conclusion. Likely just looked at record at made this statement
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbeduagain View Post
    The better pitcher? Simon is by far the best in this match up. At least this year any way
    Quote Originally Posted by mcdonae101 View Post

    Lol, I'd like to know how u come to that conclusion. Likely just looked at record at made this statement
    Samardzija is by far the better pitcher this year, Posey summarized it perfectly in Post #4.
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  17. 06-23-14 02:20 PM #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    Samardzija is by far the better pitcher this year, Posey summarized it perfectly in Post #4.
    Simon is just a spot starter....calm down people. Now if he focused on baseball instead of murdering people (other country...no charges) and rape charges ("Convictions? No.....never convicted")
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  18. 06-23-14 02:53 PM #18
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    I will be at this game

    I have simon starting in fantasy so take cubs
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  19. 06-23-14 02:53 PM #19
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    Okay but damn this reds team has been smashing the ball lately .. Simardzija never gets run support..
    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    Samardzija is by far the better pitcher this year, Posey summarized it perfectly in Post #4.
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  20. 06-23-14 02:54 PM #20
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    What does this mean? I have no clue how fantasy baseball works
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    I will be at this game

    I have simon starting in fantasy so take cubs
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  21. 06-23-14 02:57 PM #21
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    Brandon Phillips not in lineup for Cincy
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  22. 06-23-14 05:31 PM #22
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    He's pitched better lately than those numbers for the year indicate, and people on here and elsewhere have been saying that the regression was inevitable for awhile, but it hasn't happened. He's an ex reliever, he's better with runners on base. Just my opinion based on what I've seen this year. I live in the Cincy area and watch the reds. I didn't just look at the records. I guess we'll find out tonight. Good luck with what ever you choose.
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  23. 06-23-14 05:40 PM #23
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    And by the way, Shark's month of June has been awful. Well over 5 era with numbers nothing like earlier this year
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  24. 06-23-14 05:53 PM #24
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    simardzija..all he does is lose and is a good pitcher
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  25. 06-23-14 05:57 PM #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by chalk46 View Post
    Brandon Phillips not in lineup for Cincy
    mesoraco batting cleanup, even better
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  26. 06-23-14 11:16 PM #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay89 View Post
    mesoraco batting cleanup, even better
    Could not agree more lol
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