[Big Bear]

Is there any super long shot that you think has a chance to win the whole thing this year?

[Big Bear]

Philadelphia Phillies at 35 to 1 to win NL Pennant

1. Revere
2. Rollins
3. Utley
4. Howard
5. Ruiz
6. Brown
7. Ashe
8. Byrd
9. Pitcher

1. Lee
2.Hamels
3. Burnett
4. Hernandez
5. Kendrick

Set up man : Adams
Closer: Papelbon

its a long shot but if they stay healthy look out.

[Big Bear]

The Blue Jays are tremondous value at 18 to 1 to win the AL Pennant


1. Jose Reyes- best leadoff hitter in MLB
2.Melky mo fukkin Cabrerra
3. Joey Bats- Jose Bautista
4.Edwin Encarnacion- Beast Mode 40+ Dingers guaranteed
5. Adam Lind
6. Brett "Break out year" Lawrie
7. Colby "New improved mechanics" Rasmus
8. Dionerr Navaro- Left Handed hitting catcher with some major pop in his stick
9. Kawasasaki or Goins both Serviceable 9 hole hitters and middle infielders.

1. CY Dickey- with added Velocity
2. Brandon Morrow ( Best stuff in baseball) just gotta keep him healthy.
3. Mark Burhele - Works fast and a inning eater
4. Kyle Drabek- Yep he will be back with that nasty deuce
5. JA Happ or Esmil Rodgers both very capable

Closer -
Jansen is pretty spectacular

Blue Jays were the favorite to win the world series entering last season and were plagued by injuries

This year the the Jays fly under the radar and we just might be hearing "O Canada" in the World Series

[Smoke]

Bearer what are the odds for the orioles?

[Big Bear]

Bearer what are the odds for the orioles?

20 to 1 to win AL pennant

40 to 1 to win World Series

a couple concerns i have about the Orioles...

Is Markakis that good of a leadoff hitter?

And their pitching rotation is decent but is Tillman, Chen, Jimenez
good enough to win a series vs Verlander, Scherzer, Sanchez???

i dunno i guess The Orioles are good enough to hit Verlander and Scherzer and Jimenez is capable of throwing a gem

[Big Bear]

IMO

Dickey

Morrow

Beuhrle

can matchup with anyone.

Take a look at Morrow on film...

His stuff is amazing sharpest breaking ball in the game and a consistent 96mph heater with some good tail action

[greenhippo]

Bear, how is Encarnacion guaranteed to hit 40 homers when he's only done it once in 8 seasons?

[manny24]

fukkin 'Strohs!!!!!!!

[SamDiamond]

Philadelphia Phillies at 35 to 1 to win NL Pennant

1. Revere
2. Rollins
3. Utley
4. Howard
5. Ruiz
6. Brown
7. Ashe
8. Byrd
9. Pitcher

1. Lee
2.Hamels
3. Burnett
4. Hernandez
5. Kendrick

Set up man : Adams
Closer: Papelbon

its a long shot but if they stay healthy look out.

Do me a favor.. point me to the .300 hitter in the Phillies lineup?

Oh yeah, there isn't one.

Jesus Christ.

Revere's ceiling is .270-.275.

Howard is done. He's finished. 4 knee surgeries, ankle surgeries. He is a shell of himself.

It is a lineup where the average age is north of Betty White.

[Big Bear]

Bear, how is Encarnacion guaranteed to hit 40 homers when he's only done it once in 8 seasons?

b/c he has figured it out.

Once ability and confidence meet there aint no stoppin somebody.

Check out Jose Bautista and Chris Davis they figured out how to hit for power and there will be no turning back for them either.

[broadway6]

What are Tampa's odds?

[SamDiamond]

IMO

Dickey

Morrow

Beuhrle

can matchup with anyone.

Take a look at Morrow on film...

His stuff is amazing sharpest breaking ball in the game and a consistent 96mph heater with some good tail action

So you are telling me you would take Dickey/Morrow/Beuhrle---against Scherzer/Verlander/Sanchez?

SBR will crown you fuking Retard of the Year if you tell me yes.

[Big Bear]

Do me a favor.. point me to the .300 hitter in the Phillies lineup?

Oh yeah, there isn't one.

Jesus Christ.

Revere's ceiling is .270-.275.

Howard is done. He's finished. 4 knee surgeries, ankle surgeries. He is a shell of himself.

It is a lineup where the average age is north of Betty White.

is Betty White 34 years old?

34 aint that old bruh.

Utley, Ruiz, Howard will all hit .300 if healthy and Domonic Brown is going to hit 30 HR's again.

If Revere hits .280 from the leadoff spot the Phillies will be just fine.

3 years ago these guys were 3 to 1 odds to begin the season.

So they lost Roy Halladay so what they picked up AJ Burnett who has pitched well the last couple of seasons and Hernadez formely Carmona has had good velocity in spring training.

Look ofcourse the Phillies and Nationals are the favorites in that division and rightfully so but the Philles have value at 35 to 1 to win the NL pennant.

Anytime you got Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels at the top of your rotation
and Utley, Howard , and Brown

who are capable of combing for 90+ HRs

they can make some noise

[SamDiamond]

IMO

Take a look at Morrow on film...

His stuff is amazing sharpest breaking ball in the game and a consistent 96mph heater with some good tail action

And in typical Big Bear fashion....

He forgets that Morrow has a mushed elbow now.

Morrow has thrown 178 innings TOTAL--- in 2 years!!!!--- which is about 50 innings fewer than a guy like Scherzer.

Morrow has a career ERA over 4.3, and Bear thinks he's special.

[Big Bear]

So you are telling me you would take Dickey/Morrow/Beuhrle---against Scherzer/Verlander/Sanchez?

SBR will crown you fuking Retard of the Year if you tell me yes.

why are you so hell bent on name calling and attacking other posters ???


do you get off on that???

i'm trying to have a healthy discussion here

and no obviously the Tigers are favored to win the AL Pennant for a reason.

But Dickey and Morrow have days when they are absolutely unhittable

and you telling me the Jays line-up cant score on Verlander and Scherzer?

[SamDiamond]

is Betty White 34 years old?

34 aint that old bruh.

Utley, Ruiz, Howard will all hit .300 if healthy and Domonic Brown is going to hit 30 HR's again.

If Revere hits .280 from the leadoff spot the Phillies will be just fine.

3 years ago these guys were 3 to 1 odds to begin the season.

So they lost Roy Halladay so what they picked up AJ Burnett who has pitched well the last couple of seasons and Hernadez formely Carmona has had good velocity in spring training.

Look ofcourse the Phillies and Nationals are the favorites in that division and rightfully so but the Philles have value at 35 to 1 to win the NL pennant.

Anytime you got Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels at the top of your rotation
and Utley, Howard , and Brown

who are capable of combing for 90+ HRs

they can make some noise

There is no value in giving your money away. None.

And Dom Brown did not hit 30 HR last year-- so it won't be "again".

You know when Utley last hit above .300? 2007.

And now he is 7 years older and you think he's going to do it again?

Howard has done it once-- ONCE in his career.

And you think they are suddenly going to start hitting the older they get?

[SamDiamond]

why are you so hell bent on name calling and attacking other posters ???


do you get off on that???

i'm trying to have a healthy discussion here

and no obviously the Tigers are favored to win the AL Pennant for a reason.

But Dickey and Morrow have days when they are absolutely unhittable

and you telling me the Jays line-up cant score on Verlander and Scherzer?

So you don't want your opinions challenged?

You said you would take the Morrow/Dickey/Beuhrle against any staff.

ANY.

I challenged you on that.

Let's have a wager.

I will take Scherzer-Verlander-Sanchez, you take Dickey-Morrow/Beurhle-------

5 pitching cats--- wins/k's/ERA/WHIP/Quality Starts.

The loser has to leave SBR forever.

Deal?

Come on. Let's see if you believe the dumb shit you post.

[SamDiamond]

Come on Bear.

Let's see if you have the stones to accept my bet.

Loser leaves.

Come on.

Don't run now.

[greenhippo]

Bearer, bad news, Utley and Howard won't be healthy. Neither will play 150 games this season.

[Big Bear]

IMO

Dickey

Morrow

Beuhrle

can matchup with anyone.

Take a look at Morrow on film...

His stuff is amazing sharpest breaking ball in the game and a consistent 96mph heater with some good tail action

I said they
" can matchup with anyone"

and you interpreted that as me saying they are better than everyone.

My point is Dickey and Morrow stuff wise have the upside to be as filthy as any pitchers in baseball.

Maybe this is the year Brandon Morrow puts it all together.

That is the gamble.

and the point of this thread is looking at long shots with Value.

[SamDiamond]

I said they
" can matchup with anyone"

and you interpreted that as me saying they are better than everyone.

My point is Dickey and Morrow stuff wise have the upside to be as filthy as any pitchers in baseball.

Maybe this is the year Brandon Morrow puts it all together.

That is the gamble.

and the point of this thread is looking at long shots with Value.

So in other words, you don't even believe the bullshit you post.

If they "Can matchup with anyone"? Then why not match them up against Detroit's 1-3?

What's the problem here?

If you're afraid to take my bet--- then the answer is obvious. You really don't believe over the course of a season they can match up with Detroit's 3.

[Big Bear]

Bearer, bad news, Utley and Howard won't be healthy. Neither will play 150 games this season.

Same can be said for Cargo and Tulo in Colorado...

ya never know who is going to stay healthy but Injuries can crush any teams dreams.

Hell there are even several players on the Los Angeles Dodgers with a history of injuries.
Carl Crawford
Matt Kemp
Adrian Gonzalez
Hanley Ramirez

Luckily for them Kershaw and Grienke usually stay pretty healthy.

It will be interesting to see if Ryu and Puig have the same success they had last year after more of a scouting report is available

[SamDiamond]

The best part is....

If you searched the web....and read some respected baseball opinions....

The Blue Jays staff is considered one of the worst in MLB.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...raining/page/4

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-2014-edition/

[Big Bear]

[QUOTE=SamDiamond;21293662]So in other words, you don't even believe the bullshit you post.

If they "Can matchup with anyone"? Then why not match them up against Detroit's 1-3?

What's the problem here?

If you're afraid to take my bet--- then the answer is obvious. You really don't believe over the course of a season they can match up with Detroit's 3.

Dude the Tigers are 8 to 1 to win the World Series

the Blue Jays are 50 to 1

again this thread is about long shots with value.

When i say matchup i mean if they met in a 7 game playoff series i would give the Blue jays a fighting chance.

Ofcourse Scherzer and Verlander are more of a sure thing.

Again "Stuff wise "

Morrow and Dickey are capable of matching up with them.

You cant be so stat oriented if you ever want to beat Vegas. You have to be ahead of the curve

[Bagman5]

Brendan Morrow has the "best stuff in baseball"?!?!?!!? Kersh, Scherzer, King Felix, Jose Fernandez, Wacha, Gray, Verlander and many others have better stuff than Morrow.

[Big Bear]

The best part is....

If you searched the web....and read some respected baseball opinions....

The Blue Jays staff is considered one of the worst in MLB.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...raining/page/4

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-2014-edition/

Funny a year ago Vegas made the Blue Jays the favorite to win the World Series.

They actually got better in the offseason with addition by subtraction.

Got rid a catcher in Arencebia who strikes out too much and and a GAS CAN in Josh Johnson.

If the Jays stay healthy and play to their potential look out.

[Big Bear]

Brendan Morrow has the "best stuff in baseball"?!?!?!!? Kersh, Scherzer, King Felix, Jose Fernandez, Wacha, Gray, Verlander and many others have better stuff than Morrow.

Do me a favor go to the Blue Jays website look at depth charts and click on Brandon Morrow and then watch the short video clips of Morrow. Tell me that isnt Nasty Stuff.

Sure its widely known that Kershaw is the best pitcher in baseball.

But Morrow is nasty when he is on.

[darkhat]

Tuckman ripped off a poster for 18k based on last years future

Claimed to put the bet in for him in vegas..ripped him off

[manny24]

Tucker that's fukkin derrrrrrty if true

[SamDiamond]

You are all over the map.

The Blue Jays Top 3 pitchers are among the worst in baseball.

No one in their right mind would believe those 3 can match Detroit's top 3.

I lost 30 fuking IQ points by even responding to you.

There is no value in betting losing bets. None. Anyone betting on the Phillies or Toronto is just pissing money away.

You mentioned Toronto going off at +1800-- which I don't see anywhere. Heritage has it +1100.

Either way, it doesn't matter.

Let me ask you this.

If you are trying to take a fly on a long shot--- which makes more sense to you, Toronto to win the AL at +1100, or Texas at +800?

Heritage has the Phillies at +1600 at to win the NL--- would you rather throw money at that aging roster, or Pittsburgh at +1100?

Hell, even the Reds at +1100 makes more sense than Philadelphia.

And if you're a 100 dollar player, an 1100 dollar profit beats a 100 dollar loss.

Your longshots makes no fuking sense.

The Reds are better than the Phillies at 6 positions, and have the better pitching staff, yet you find the Phillies. Haaay-Zeus.

[Big Bear]

You are all over the map.

The Blue Jays Top 3 pitchers are among the worst in baseball.

No one in their right mind would believe those 3 can match Detroit's top 3.

I lost 30 fuking IQ points by even responding to you.

There is no value in betting losing bets. None. Anyone betting on the Phillies or Toronto is just pissing money away.

You mentioned Toronto going off at +1800-- which I don't see anywhere. Heritage has it +1100.

Either way, it doesn't matter.

Let me ask you this.

If you are trying to take a fly on a long shot--- which makes more sense to you, Toronto to win the AL at +1100, or Texas at +800?

Heritage has the Phillies at +1600 at to win the NL--- would you rather throw money at that aging roster, or Pittsburgh at +1100?

Hell, even the Reds at +1100 makes more sense than Philadelphia.

And if you're a 100 dollar player, an 1100 dollar profit beats a 100 dollar loss.

Your longshots makes no fuking sense.

The Reds are better than the Phillies at 6 positions, and have the better pitching staff, yet you find the Phillies. Haaay-Zeus.

You sir need to work on your social skills.

Jays and Phillies are Long shots pal , Long shots.
Long shots with upside and value.

[manny24]

this our fukkin CD

[Big Bear]

My favorite futures are Royals to win AL Central at 5 to 1 up 6.5 to 1 depending on where you look.

D-Backs to win AL West at 12 to 1.

Brewers to win NL central at 10-1

Tigers to win World Series at 8 to 1.

If you take Royals 6.5 to 1 to win division and Tigers at 8 to 1 to win world series you are kinda hedging in case the Tigers have an injury plagued season and its possible Tigers could be the wild card team and still win the world series

[JBC33]

For some reason I like Atlanta this season.

[You mad bro]

first of all ... the best pitcher in baseball this year will be jose fernandez

second of all ... the phillies pitching staff outside of lee and hamels is absolutely atrocious

third of all ... the blue jays are a huge hit or miss .. will reyes be able to steal 50 bases this year? probably not because he won't stay healthy.. do you know in over 90 games last year jose reyes did not hit 1 triple? NOT FUKKING 1 .. he stole 15 bases and got caught 6 times .. thats not a good percentage .. melkey cabrera absolutely sucks dicckk

fourth of all ... these are Brandon Morrows stats

Year	Age	Tm	Lg	W	L	<nobr style="vertical-align: inherit;">W-L%</nobr>	ERA	G	GS	GF	CG	SHO	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	IBB	SO	HBP	BK	WP	BF	ERA+	WHIP	H/9	HR/9	BB/9	SO/9	SO/BB	Awards
2007	22	SEA	AL	3	4	.429	4.12	60	0	18	0	0	0	63.1	56	29	29	3	50	5	66	1	0	4	289	107	1.674	8.0	0.4	7.1	9.4	1.32
2008	23	SEA	AL	3	4	.429	3.34	45	5	24	0	0	10	64.2	40	26	24	10	34	1	75	0	0	5	265	127	1.144	5.6	1.4	4.7	10.4	2.21
2009	24	SEA	AL	2	4	.333	4.39	26	10	9	0	0	6	69.2	66	38	34	10	44	1	63	0	0	3	313	97	1.579	8.5	1.3	5.7	8.1	1.43
2010	25	TOR	AL	10	7	.588	4.49	26	26	0	1	1	0	146.1	136	76	73	11	66	0	178	9	0	8	629	93	1.380	8.4	0.7	4.1	10.9	2.70
2011	26	TOR	AL	11	11	.500	4.72	30	30	0	0	0	0	179.1	162	103	94	21	69	1	203	12	1	12	777	90	1.288	8.1	1.1	3.5	10.2	2.94
2012	27	TOR	AL	10	7	.588	2.96	21	21	0	3	3	0	124.2	98	45	41	12	41	0	108	2	0	3	504	143	1.115	7.1	0.9	3.0	7.8	2.63
2013	28	TOR	AL	2	3	.400	5.63	10	10	0	0	0	0	54.1	63	39	34	12	18	1	42	1	0	1	242	73	1.491	10.4	2.0	3.0	7.0	2.33
7 Yrs				41	40	.506	4.22	218	102	51	4	4	16	702.1	621	356	329	79	322	9	735	25	1	36	3019	101	1.343	8.0	1.0	4.1	9.4	2.28
162 Game Avg.				9	9	.506	4.22	46	22	11	1	1	3	149	132	76	70	17	68	2	156	5	0	8	642	101	1.343	8.0	1.0	4.1	9.4	2.28

........where do you see the fact that he has good stuff? his stuff is obviously very hittable and touchable