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    Barry Larkin gets my vote

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    Jeter is without doubt the best SS in Yankee history but falls far short of being in the Mt. Rushmore of SS as some posters here think.
    Every real baseball historian has Honus Wagner as the greatest & some say there is more of a distance between Wagner & #2 is greater than the distance between #2 & #19 (Bill James).

    During Jeters career 2 AL SS won the MVP so it's reasonable to say that 2 & maybe 3 of his contemporaries had better peak years than
    Jeter. Jeter never won in any of the Triple Crown catagories in a season & the sabermetric crowd of which I'm not one rate him slightly below average in the field.

    Right behind Wagner is Arky Vaughn, Vaughn had the greatest season any SS ever had & during his 3 year peak he averaged .351 &
    while leading the league in walks all 3 years managed to break the Pirates HR record at that time & he was the first SS ever to have a
    .600 SLG. PCT.

    After Vaughn you have Ropken, Yount, Banks, Larkin, Smith, Cronin & Luke Appling. Jeter deserves inclusion into this group. Take your pick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boner_18 View Post
    He's more black than our "black" president.


    Politics..... GGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

    Obama is more black than Jeter. Obama's father was 100% black from Kenya, It's estimated that American Blacks whose ancestors go back many generations have on average 15% white blood so Jeter is probably 60% white, Obama definitely 50%.

    However Jeter is black like Roy Campenella another great player of mixed ancestry, that means before 1947 he wouldn't have been on a major league roster!

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    Just talking about defense Ozzie was the best and Marty Marion 2nd

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubblebuttluv View Post
    I'll never consider A-Rod a SS. Sure he played as one when before he joined the Yankees, but when he came to The Bronx he knew his place.

    A-Rod is a third baseman and a disgrace to baseball.
    A-Rod was a better SS than Jeter.
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    People talk about PED's....




    Home Runs have not really changed since the Steroid Era supposedly stopped...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy117 View Post
    A-Rod was a better SS than Jeter.
    Lol.

    A-Rod is overrated and has been for a good while.

    A-Rod is everything that is wrong with baseball.

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    Always thought Jeter was overrated, as an athlete he just never wowed me, with that said he was a tough out, fielded his position well, and plays the game the right way

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    Quote Originally Posted by k13 View Post
    People talk about PED's....




    Home Runs have not really changed since the Steroid Era supposedly stopped...
    The amount of HR's that the leaders hit has sure changed and they were the main culprits. Sammy Sosa hit over 60 homeruns 3 times
    and wasn't the league leader in any of those 3 seasons. That's evidence of the video game stats the roiders accumulated.

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    nash k13 is a bandwagon 49ers fan bro

    don't even listen to him

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    Honus no doubt

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingillini View Post
    Just talking about defense Ozzie was the best and Marty Marion 2nd
    Best defensive shortstop of all time will be Jose Iglesias if his bat can keep him in the league

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    Honus Wagner
    Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
    1897 23 LOU NL 62 263 242 38 81 18 4 2 39 20 15 14 .335 .376 .467 .843 125 113 1 5 O/4
    1898 24 LOU NL 151 635 588 80 176 29 3 10 105 27 31 20 .299 .341 .410 .751 115 241 6 10 354
    1899 25 LOU NL 148 630 575 100 196 45 13 7 114 37 40 36 .341 .395 .501 .895 145 288 11 4 5O/43
    1900 26 PIT NL 135 580 527 107 201 45 22 4 100 38 41 17 .381 .434 .573 1.007 176 302 8 4 *O/5431
    1901 27 PIT NL 140 619 549 101 194 37 11 6 126 49 53 39 .353 .417 .494 .911 159 271 7 10 6O5/4
    1902 28 PIT NL 136 599 534 105 176 30 16 3 91 42 43 51 .330 .394 .463 .857 162 247 14 8 O63/41
    1903 29 PIT NL 129 571 512 97 182 30 19 5 101 46 44 17 .355 .414 .518 .931 160 265 7 8 *6O/3
    1904 30 PIT NL 132 558 490 97 171 44 14 4 75 53 59 44 .349 .423 .520 .944 188 255 4 5 *6/O34
    1905 31 PIT NL 147 616 548 114 199 32 14 6 101 57 54 53 .363 .427 .505 .932 175 277 7 7 *6/O
    1906 32 PIT NL 142 590 516 103 175 38 9 2 71 53 58 31 .339 .416 .459 .875 168 237 10 6 *6/O5
    1907 33 PIT NL 142 580 515 98 180 38 14 6 82 61 46 40 .350 .408 .513 .921 187 264 5 14 *6/3
    1908 34 PIT NL 151 641 568 100 201 39 19 10 109 53 54 22 .354 .415 .542 .957 205 308 5 14 *6
    1909 35 PIT NL 137 591 495 92 168 39 10 5 100 35 66 24 .339 .420 .489 .909 177 242 3 27 *6/O
    1910 36 PIT NL 150 640 556 90 178 34 8 4 81 24 59 47 .320 .390 .432 .822 133 240 5 20 *63/4
    1911 37 PIT NL 130 558 473 87 158 23 16 9 89 20 67 34 .334 .423 .507 .930 156 240 6 12 63/O MVP-3
    1912 38 PIT NL 145 634 558 91 181 35 20 7 102 26 59 38 .324 .395 .496 .891 144 277 6 11 *6 MVP-2
    1913 39 PIT NL 114 454 413 51 124 18 4 3 56 21 11 26 40 .300 .349 .385 .734 113 159 5 10 *6 MVP-8
    1914 40 PIT NL 150 616 552 60 139 15 9 1 50 23 51 51 .252 .317 .317 .634 93 175 2 11 *65/3
    1915 41 PIT NL 156 625 566 68 155 32 17 6 78 22 15 39 64 .274 .325 .422 .747 127 239 4 16 *643
    1916 42 PIT NL 123 485 432 45 124 15 9 1 39 11 34 36 .287 .350 .370 .721 121 160 8 10 63/4
    1917 43 PIT NL 74 263 230 15 61 7 1 0 24 5 24 17 .265 .337 .304 .642 95 70 1 9 35/46
    21 Yrs 2794 11748 10439 1739 3420 643 252 101 1733 723 26 963 735 .328 .391 .467 .858 151 4870 125 221
    162 Game Avg. 162 681 605 101 198 37 15 6 100 42 56 43 .328 .391 .467 .858 151 282 7 13
    look at the 162 game averages for a SS

    Derek Jeter
    Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
    1995 21 NYY AL 15 51 48 5 12 4 1 0 7 0 0 3 11 .250 .294 .375 .669 74 18 0 0 0 0 0 6
    1996 22 NYY AL 157 654 582 104 183 25 6 10 78 14 7 48 102 .314 .370 .430 .800 101 250 13 9 6 9 1 *6 RoY-1
    1997 23 NYY AL 159 748 654 116 190 31 7 10 70 23 12 74 125 .291 .370 .405 .775 103 265 14 10 8 2 0 *6 MVP-24
    1998 24 NYY AL 149 694 626 127 203 25 8 19 84 30 6 57 119 .324 .384 .481 .864 127 301 13 5 3 3 1 *6 AS,MVP-3
    1999 25 NYY AL 158 739 627 134 219 37 9 24 102 19 8 91 116 .349 .438 .552 .989 153 346 12 12 3 6 5 *6 AS,MVP-6
    2000 26 NYY AL 148 679 593 119 201 31 4 15 73 22 4 68 99 .339 .416 .481 .896 128 285 14 12 3 3 4 *6 AS,MVP-10
    2001 27 NYY AL 150 686 614 110 191 35 3 21 74 27 3 56 99 .311 .377 .480 .858 124 295 13 10 5 1 3 *6 AS,MVP-10
    2002 28 NYY AL 157 730 644 124 191 26 0 18 75 32 3 73 114 .297 .373 .421 .794 111 271 14 7 3 3 2 *6/D AS
    2003 29 NYY AL 119 542 482 87 156 25 3 10 52 11 5 43 88 .324 .393 .450 .844 125 217 10 13 3 1 2 *6 MVP-21
    2004 30 NYY AL 154 721 643 111 188 44 1 23 78 23 4 46 99 .292 .352 .471 .823 114 303 19 14 16 2 1 *6 AS,MVP-13,GG
    2005 31 NYY AL 159 752 654 122 202 25 5 19 70 14 5 77 117 .309 .389 .450 .839 125 294 15 11 7 3 3 *6/D MVP-10,GG
    2006 32 NYY AL 154 715 623 118 214 39 3 14 97 34 5 69 102 .343 .417 .483 .900 132 301 13 12 7 4 4 *6/D AS,MVP-2,GG,SS
    2007 33 NYY AL 156 714 639 102 206 39 4 12 73 15 8 56 100 .322 .388 .452 .840 121 289 21 14 3 2 3 *6 AS,MVP-11,SS
    2008 34 NYY AL 150 668 596 88 179 25 3 11 69 11 5 52 85 .300 .363 .408 .771 102 243 24 9 7 4 0 *6/D AS,SS
    2009 35 NYY AL 153 716 634 107 212 27 1 18 66 30 5 72 90 .334 .406 .465 .871 125 295 18 5 4 1 4 *6/D AS,MVP-3,GG,SS
    2010 36 NYY AL 157 739 663 111 179 30 3 10 67 18 5 63 106 .270 .340 .370 .710 90 245 22 9 1 3 4 *6/D AS,GG
    2011 37 NYY AL 131 607 546 84 162 24 4 6 61 16 6 46 81 .297 .355 .388 .743 100 212 10 6 4 5 0 *6D AS
    2012 38 NYY AL 159 740 683 99 216 32 0 15 58 9 4 45 90 .316 .362 .429 .791 114 293 24 5 6 1 1 *6D AS,MVP-7,SS
    2013 39 NYY AL 17 73 63 8 12 1 0 1 7 0 0 8 10 .190 .288 .254 .542 51 16 3 1 0 1 1 6/D
    19 Yrs 2602 11968 10614 1876 3316 525 65 256 1261 348 95 1047 1753 .312 .381 .446 .828 117 4739 272 164 89 54 39
    162 Game Avg. 162 745 661 117 206 33 4 16 79 22 6 65 109 .312 .381 .446 .828 117 295 17 10 6 3 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by k13 View Post
    Jeter is overrated cause of new york.
    No one would care for him on a small market team.

    Cal put up good numbers not just showed up to play.

    A- rod the best if he counts. Who cares about steroids. Everyone is on them.
    Firstly, A-Rod doesn't count. Why would you count someone who has played only half of his career at SS the best SS of all time? Doesn't make sense. Secondly, who cares about steroids? The lead candidates as mentioned for best SS are: Ripken, Jeter, Wagner, and Ozzie Smith, all of which never used PEDS, so yes for the sake of discussion we all care about steroids. Thirdly, Jeter overated cause of new york? What kind of statement is that. What the hell does that even mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imadegen View Post
    Firstly, A-Rod doesn't count. Why would you count someone who has played only half of his career at SS the best SS of all time? Doesn't make sense. Secondly, who cares about steroids? The lead candidates as mentioned for best SS are: Ripken, Jeter, Wagner, and Ozzie Smith, all of which never used PEDS, so yes for the sake of discussion we all care about steroids. Thirdly, Jeter overated cause of new york? What kind of statement is that. What the hell does that even mean?
    i guess every yankee is overrated because of new york

    k13 is just a bandwagon 49ers troll ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingillini View Post
    Just talking about defense Ozzie was the best and Marty Marion 2nd
    Ozzie was the greatest baseball player that ever played when it comes to defense and defense only, and includes Roberto Clemente who was the greatest RF regarding defense that ever lived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boner_18 View Post
    He's more black than our "black" president.


    Politics..... GGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
    Jeter's definitely more African American than Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by k13 View Post
    People talk about PED's....




    Home Runs have not really changed since the Steroid Era supposedly stopped...
    there's more to home run numbers than just PED's

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    Quote Originally Posted by 15805 View Post
    Obama is more black than Jeter. Obama's father was 100% black from Kenya, It's estimated that American Blacks whose ancestors go back many generations have on average 15% white blood so Jeter is probably 60% white, Obama definitely 50%.

    However Jeter is black like Roy Campenella another great player of mixed ancestry, that means before 1947 he wouldn't have been on a major league roster!
    you got a link on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    ^
    Why?
    Nash, don't do that ever again

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    Jeter is the best mulatto shortstop of all time

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    Quote Originally Posted by I/O View Post
    you got a link on this?
    http://www.isteve.com/2002_How_White_Are_Blacks.htm

    is just one of many studies considering white blood in blacks whose ancestors came here before or soon after
    the US became a nation.


    A paragraph

    Earlier, cruder studies, done before direct genetic testing was feasible, suggested that African-Americans were 25 or even 30 percent white. Shriver's project is not complete, but with data from 25 sites already in, he is coming up with 17-18 percent white ancestry among African-Americans. That's the equivalent of 106 of those 128 of your ancestors from seven generations ago having been Africans and 22 Europeans.
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