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    Good for you on recognizing your own weakness, or inability to gamble for fun. You should stop talking about it, quit and never come back to a gambling forum unless you gain enough maturity/smarts to gamble the fun way.

    Betting for fun (not to replace gainful income) is how 95% of the gambling population in Australia manage to treat their gambling. Plenty of reports will back up that only about 5% of individuals are like you, incapable of controlling yourself.

    But I understand you can't believe that, or it makes it your own fault instead of "the industry".

    Notice how every racist will yell just as loudly and surely as you that everyone else is a racist too, or lies about it? Thats where you are with gambling.

    But lucky for you you are smart enough to know you have to stop. Lets see you stop talking and show the moxie to actually do it!

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    this should be sticky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Betting for fun (not to replace gainful income) is how 95% of the gambling population in Australia manage to treat their gambling. Plenty of reports will back up that only about 5% of individuals are like you, incapable of controlling yourself.
    I "love" it when people try to bring in numbers as if they are part of the bureau of statistics, which itself is not a good measurement for accuracy but basing stats mainly on surveys.

    You know, the Australian Dollar according to some blah blah blah has a 80% chance to keep on declining against the US dollar in 2014, whilst only 20% chance to go up against it (unlike New Zealand who is not in a rush to weaken its currency).

    That's it, I said.
    So now you believe me? You believe there is a 80% chance for it to happen?

    No, of course you don't. And why? Because you don't know me.
    And certainly I don't know you, who you work for, perhaps you work for the gambling industry, perhaps you don't.

    But one thing I do know.
    I don't think you can speak on behalf of 95% of Australian people. The fact is, you don't know them personally. The fact is, you never met the majority of them not even once in your life.

    So I suggest you bring in statistics from a reliable source and back it up, or otherwise your assumptions are not facts, but in the best case only assumptions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Lets see you stop talking and show the moxie to actually do it!
    By all means.
    I just disagree with the "stop talking" part, every person has the right to talk or express himself here or elsewhere as long as it doesn't collide with forum rules etc.

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    A lot of us gamble for the action and the challenge. I think many care less if they win or lose and its a hobby like any other form of spending. The Aussie Dollar will go down in 2014.
    Quote Originally Posted by dontknowhowtobet View Post
    Just giving you an example, JJ, how you stand no chance against the gambling industry - the sooner you realize it the better. You risked $500 in total, in order to probably "double" your money, however one loss already ruined your entire "plan". You are now relying on the Lakers to cover 3.5 points: Even if they cover you would "win" only $130 - and you are relying on a game of chance, whether they would cover or not. Your maximum winnings out of these 4 events is $130 but you risked $500 !! How sick is that? Now if the Lakers don't cover, guess what ... you were losing ... even though you guessed 2 games correctly, you would still be losing $80 and stay with $420 out of the $500 you risked. You guys have no chance to beat it up, it's impossible, proven, and it's a fact. You can try again many times, you would just be a few more hundreds down the hole, and even if you manage to win 6 games in a "hot streak" trust me, you would eventually lose that money as well, that is also a fact. So why gamble in first place? I wish I had known what I know now a couple of years ago.

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    Yes there is a such thing as " Responsible Gambling " !!

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    Most people gamble and have it under control it's like anything else in life there's always abusers

    Some people do not have the personality to gamble as they are a type A personality or a very compulsive person

    People I hate to lose can be dangerous gamblers. What I mean by that is they have the chance to lose everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Most people gamble and have it under control it's like anything else in life there's always abusers

    Some people do not have the personality to gamble as they are a type A personality or a very compulsive person

    People I hate to lose can be dangerous gamblers. What I mean by that is they have the chance to lose everything
    Great comment - agree with everything !!

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    Billy Walters is only one to win long term

    Billy Walters built an empire

    Billy Walters money moves the lines

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    A lot of us gamble for the action and the challenge. I think many care less if they win or lose and its a hobby like any other form of spending. The Aussie Dollar will go down in 2014.
    If your "hobby" costs you $5,000 then that is an expensive hobby ... I am not sure what was the total cost over all these years, but if you honestly enjoy losing money then by all means, I'm not going to stand in your way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Jerry View Post
    Yes there is a such thing as " Responsible Gambling " !!
    Let me ask you:
    Are you making money out of gambling?
    If you are, how long have you been gambling?

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    Don't know in would like to see you back in the game

    What will it take?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Most people gamble and have it under control it's like anything else in life there's always abusers

    Some people do not have the personality to gamble as they are a type A personality or a very compulsive person

    People I hate to lose can be dangerous gamblers. What I mean by that is they have the chance to lose everything
    Gambling by itself is a recipe for disaster.
    The question is what would be the scale of damage of that disaster.
    For you losing a few thousand dollars is not a "big deal", that's fine if that's what you feel, but you cannot twist the fact you lose money in gambling (short term you might win but long term it's a fact you would lose).

    I cannot stand behind all of you or against you, I believe what I say is vital, I don't know if some of you have self-interest or if you work for the gambling industry which you defend so much ... I personally cannot defend or give away money anymore to a place that does its utmost to take money from people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke View Post
    Billy Walters is only one to win long term

    Billy Walters built an empire

    Billy Walters money moves the lines
    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...l#post20874188

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Don't know in would like to see you back in the game

    What will it take?
    Sure, I am going to bet today and tomorrow, I promise you that.
    I am also going to bet 2 and 3 days from now.

    I am simply going to bet on myself, it doesn't take much jj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontknowhowtobet View Post

    I "love" it when people try to bring in numbers as if they are part of the bureau of statistics, which itself is not a good measurement for accuracy but basing stats mainly on surveys.

    You know, the Australian Dollar according to some blah blah blah has a 80% chance to keep on declining against the US dollar in 2014, whilst only 20% chance to go up against it (unlike New Zealand who is not in a rush to weaken its currency).

    That's it, I said.
    So now you believe me? You believe there is a 80% chance for it to happen?

    No, of course you don't. And why? Because you don't know me.
    And certainly I don't know you, who you work for, perhaps you work for the gambling industry, perhaps you don't.

    But one thing I do know.
    I don't think you can speak on behalf of 95% of Australian people. The fact is, you don't know them personally. The fact is, you never met the majority of them not even once in your life.

    So I suggest you bring in statistics from a reliable source and back it up, or otherwise your assumptions are not facts, but in the best case only assumptions.




    By all means.
    I just disagree with the "stop talking" part, every person has the right to talk or express himself here or elsewhere as long as it doesn't collide with forum rules etc.

    You know what? You could have simply googled and saved the world all that bullshit.

    Here are da facts Jack. http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@....000&num=&view=


    3.2% of the population.

    I did not want to be mean to start with, because you are sick. But the truth is YOUu and the rest of those pathetic 3.2% are 100% of the reason the rest of us have so many restrictions on our pleasant pass time.

    YOU are the reason for do gooder groups screaming about gambling ruining lifes.

    YOU are the pathetic low life who wants to blame anyone but himself.

    YOU are the delusional fool who imagines the other 96.8% of us are as hopeless and stupid as you.

    Now please fukk off and stop gambling. Its a win win for all.

    If all of the 3.2% of losers came to the same conclusion as you and simply stopped doing what you cant control, the rest of us could go on with our free and harmless entertainment in peace.

    Are you starting to get what a total fuckup you actually are?

    But keep screaming it is the gambling industry's fault YOU are a loser.

    As I said before much easier than accepting the very very obvious data that YOU are the only problem with the gambling industry.
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    Optional,
    Just as I said, the statistics is not fact ... the government has all the interest in the world to show that gambling is safe.
    Sorry but you are a fuking puppet, a puppet and an idiot.

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    Sure sure. No doubt a dozen official study reports from even problem gambling groups (which is among the first few links in my google search) would not be enough for you to accept almost everyone else can control themselves and its you and just a few others in every 100 gamblers with the problem.

    Personal responsibility can be a tough concept to accept for the weak.

    GL with your crusade to blame someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Sure sure. No doubt a dozen official study reports from even problem gambling groups (which is among the first few links in my google search) would not be enough for you to accept almost everyone else can control themselves and its you and just a few others in every 100 gamblers with the problem.

    Personal responsibility can be a tough concept to accept for the weak.

    GL with your crusade to blame someone else.
    You are honestly an idiot, or having some mental issues, I can't understand the way you think or like to think.
    Okay, so tomorrow someone would come to your house and rub you and take all your money and expensive stuff, would you blame him or not?

    Of course you would, without any doubt.

    So what's the difference between him and a bookmaker? That a bookmaker is operating "legal" and has the right to kill you financially?
    Haven't you heard that places with Casinos cause people to lose more money than places without Casinos?

    I'm sorry but you are an idiot, that's what you are.

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    I can see clearly that you don't won't understand.

    And if you think a bookmaker is taking money from you in the same way a robber does, then I sincerely doubt you understand the way most other people think either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    I can see clearly that you don't won't understand.

    And if you think a bookmaker is taking money from you in the same way a robber does, then I sincerely doubt you understand the way most other people think either.

    There is no better way to phrase it.
    Bookmakers are not your nor my friends.
    You wanna treat them like that, go ahead, please.

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    We don't disagree the bookmaker profession isn't populated with saints.

    And it sucks they do their best to target the vulnerable so hard.

    I have a good friend earning close to 200k a year that cant put together enough money to buy a house still in his mid 40s. he's hopeless and he can't stop. It sucks that every pub in the country has poker machines and a TAB outlet in it. He has no hope almost. Until he chooses to do what you are doing.

    I don't really 'hate' you personally the way it sounded. I understand your frustration and anger at the bookie.

    I like gambling controls to protect problem gamblers. The less people hurt the better my passtime is viewed by the community.

    But seriously, you have come to a point that you can do something about your personal issue. Do it.

    And if/when you do understand that nobody but you enters the amount of your bets, or clicks that confirm button. You will be able to bet again. And if that never happens, please don't ruin your life. Force yourself to keep away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    We don't disagree the bookmaker profession isn't populated with saints.

    And it sucks they do their best to target the vulnerable so hard.

    I have a good friend earning close to 200k a year that cant put together enough money to buy a house still in his mid 40s. he's hopeless and he can't stop. It sucks that every pub in the country has poker machines and a TAB outlet in it. He has no hope almost. Until he chooses to do what you are doing.

    I don't really 'hate' you personally the way it sounded. I understand your frustration and anger at the bookie.

    I like gambling controls to protect problem gamblers. The less people hurt the better my passtime is viewed by the community.

    But seriously, you have come to a point that you can do something about your personal issue. Do it.

    And if/when you do understand that nobody but you enters the amount of your bets, or clicks that confirm button. You will be able to bet again. And if that never happens, please don't ruin your life. Force yourself to keep away.
    With that I agree ... wishing your friend to realize what I have ... try to refer him to the book Gambling Facts & Fictions, it might help, you never know, it might help him to stop.


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    Don'ty who are you on?

    Don'ty you are one of us

    Don'ty even try to fight it


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    Quote Originally Posted by manny24 View Post
    Don'ty who are you on?

    Don'ty you are one of us

    Don'ty even try to fight it

    Hi Manny,

    I used to be "one of you", I'm not anymore.
    3 days have gone by without placing any bet, and it wasn't difficult ... thank god I enjoy my life without gambling so much, I even watched a football (soccer) match yesterday without even thinking of betting on it, was so much more fun.

    I have nothing but hate towards the gambling industry.
    I might not be a big victim of it but they are ruining people's lives, constantly, on a daily basis.

    Gambling is a legal addiction
    which should be illegal.
    Anytime you have a situation that take people's money
    and give nothing in return is wrong.
    That's opposite of helping people.
    That's called killing addicted society.

    I won't be there, not anymore.

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    The Factual Laws of Gambling:

    1. Every bet will lead to financial loss.
    2. The next bet continues a gambling losing streak.
    3. There is not any such thing as luck with gambling.
    4. Whatever the gambling house edge, that percentage of money bet is lost.
    5. There is not any skill in gambling as far as making money is concerned.
    6. Gambling which involves handicapping is betting on random numbers.
    7. Being close to winning money is a false perception in gambling.
    8. Gambling long enough results in losing all money, credit and assets.
    9. It is impossible to permanently win money on gambling house games.
    10. The only way to beat gambling is to never bet.

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    Hello members,

    I am just posting an update.
    I haven't gambled since the day I've started this post, it has been a great time where I could concentrate on my wife, my own self and my studies as well. No plans of reverting backwards.

    I am going to watch the Superbowl, no doubt about it, however I am not going to bet on it, that's for sure.
    I assume most of you are going to watch the Superbowl whilst betting on it, I would encourage you not to, but that's just my feedback to you.

    In any case I wish you all a happy new month of February, happy weekend and enjoy your coming week.

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    Hi, I remember you. You are that guy who would bet 1k on -1000 set win in tennis, post a picture of the ticket, then brag when it hits how good you are. Gambling is not for everyone that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tmuston Beltics View Post
    Hi, I remember you. You are that guy who would bet 1k on -1000 set win in tennis, post a picture of the ticket, then brag when it hits how good you are. Gambling is not for everyone that's for sure.
    Yes, I have done more than that Tmuston.
    You and anyone else is free to browse around my posts in this forum, that's available for everyone and anyone to read.

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    dontknowhowtobet who are you on today??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    dontknowhowtobet who are you on today??
    Myself

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    totally disagree with what you're saying, I know people that make a living from trading/gambling. And for me i have made 6 figures last 2 years so it can be done. Learn how to use betfair.

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    this is a gambling community we don't want/need you coming in here telling us to stop having a bet, we are all ADULTS here. So kindly go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommygun View Post
    totally disagree with what you're saying, I know people that make a living from trading/gambling. And for me i have made 6 figures last 2 years so it can be done. Learn how to use betfair.
    Betfair is where you are being the "house" so that's different ... you're doing what other bookmakers do at Betfair, so of course you have chances to make money there.

    I am referring to gambling, completely as it sounds, placing a bet with a bookmaker, not laying or backing bets with Betfair, which, I have to say, is not for everyone. And as for your suggestion, no thanks, I don't want to learn how to use Betfair, it won't be for me neither, I don't believe in the form of making money like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommygun View Post
    this is a gambling community we don't want/need you coming in here telling us to stop having a bet, we are all ADULTS here. So kindly go away.
    Speak on your behalf, you presumptuous!!
    You got tons of other threads and topics to read.
    Mine is not good enough for you? Then go away, read other topics, no one has asked you to bump my thread which was already in the 2nd-3rd page I assume (I don't follow up with it.. I'm more concerned with the Australian guy betting $15,000 on the Superbowl tonight which is why I'm here.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontknowhowtobet View Post
    Speak on your behalf, you presumptuous!!
    You got tons of other threads and topics to read.
    Mine is not good enough for you? Then go away, read other topics, no one has asked you to bump my thread which was already in the 2nd-3rd page I assume (I don't follow up with it.. I'm more concerned with the Australian guy betting $15,000 on the Superbowl tonight which is why I'm here.)
    You're peddling your anti-gambling stuff like a religion. We don't want to hear it pal. You gambled you lost, no need to come here like a converted christian changing people's ways.

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