1. 01-14-14 04:04 PM #71
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    My list is still the best.
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  2. 01-14-14 05:50 PM #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyplayer33 View Post
    How could the Giants 86 be one of the greatest teams ever...they won one title and didnt have a dynasty. How many hall of famers were on offense 1986 for Giants...the bears of 1985 had better defenders and a better defensive scheme...and a top 3 rb of all time Payton
    A team can only win one title in a given year, so yes, the 1986 Giants won a title. 1990 Giants won a Super Bowl too.

    The 1986 Giants won during the prime of the Redskins & 49ers dynasty and the 1985 Bears were still going in 1986.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slacker00 View Post
    Steve Young is the most overrated QB ever. Easy to get fantasy stats throwing to future HOF WRs. Deion won his ring.
    Couldn't you apply the same argument to that Joe guy before him?
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  4. 01-14-14 06:13 PM #74
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    in terms of all the things that make you a "complete" QB you know 0 about football if Steve Young isn't on a top 3 of all time list...

    Please dont make me go and get #'s and give reasons
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddy Munny View Post
    Couldn't you apply the same argument to that Joe guy before him?
    Joe won 4 rings. His first two were before Jerry Rice. He was throwing to Dwight Clark and a bunch on no-name guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inTomWeTrust View Post
    in terms of all the things that make you a "complete" QB you know 0 about football if Steve Young isn't on a top 3 of all time list...

    Please dont make me go and get #'s and give reasons
    You don't want to get numbers and reasons because they all point against Steve Young being great. Talk Tampa.
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  7. 01-14-14 06:31 PM #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by slacker00 View Post
    Joe won 4 rings. His first two were before Jerry Rice. He was throwing to Dwight Clark and a bunch on no-name guys.
    But these are reasons FOR Joe, not AGAINST Steve.

    It's not exactly fair to dismiss Steve just because he inherited a prosperous situation and followed in the footsteps of a legend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddy Munny View Post
    But these are reasons FOR Joe, not AGAINST Steve.

    It's not exactly fair to dismiss Steve just because he inherited a prosperous situation and followed in the footsteps of a legend.
    Steve should have had 3 rings with those teams. They were stacked in the 90's and they got one ring.
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    right with the the Dallas Cowboys of the 90's best Offense line of all time emmitt smith and troy aikman and irvin
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    I'm just playing devil's advocate...I don't believe for a second Steve Young is worthy of top 5 consideration. I await Tooter's submission to bolster his argument on behalf of Steve Young. I am on my way to the refrigerator to score me a cold one. My work here is done.
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    2) Regular Season Passing Performance
    Joe Montana: 3,409 of 5,391 (63.2 percent) for 40,551 yards (7.5 YPA), 273 touchdowns, and 139 interceptions.
    Quarterback Rating of 92.3.
    Steve Young: 2,667 of 4,149 (64.3 percent) for 33,124 yards (8.0 YPA), 232 touchdowns and 107 interceptions.
    Quarterback Rating of 96.8.
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    3) Regular Season Rushing Performance
    Joe Montana: 457 carries for 1,667 yards (3.6 YPC) and 20 touchdowns.
    Steve Young: 722 carries for 4,239 yards (5.8 YPC) and 43 touchdowns.
    This one isn't even remotely close. Steve Young gained 2,572 more yards and averaged 2.2 more yards per carry. He also scored 23 more touchdowns in the process.
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    3) Regular Season Rushing Performance
    Joe Montana: 457 carries for 1,667 yards (3.6 YPC) and 20 touchdowns.
    Steve Young: 722 carries for 4,239 yards (5.8 YPC) and 43 touchdowns.
    This one isn't even remotely close. Steve Young gained 2,572 more yards and averaged 2.2 more yards per carry. He also scored 23 more touchdowns in the process.
    Verdict: Steve Young is the most productive rushing quarterback in NFL History and it should come as no surprise that this one particular aspect of the comparison wasn't a question.
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    keep in mind the years played and the concusions but he also threw 6 tds in a superbowl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddy Munny View Post
    I'm just playing devil's advocate...I don't believe for a second Steve Young is worthy of top 5 consideration. I await Tooter's submission to bolster his argument on behalf of Steve Young. I am on my way to the refrigerator to score me a cold one. My work here is done.
    I'll bolster more since Tootie is too shy. Young was a bust with the Bucs. Young was a backup until he was 30.
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    Regular season is fantasy numbers. What did Young do against real teams in the playoffs? He was mediocre at best.
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    only through 6 tds in the superbowl
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    Quote Originally Posted by inTomWeTrust View Post
    3) Regular Season Rushing Performance
    Joe Montana: 457 carries for 1,667 yards (3.6 YPC) and 20 touchdowns.
    Steve Young: 722 carries for 4,239 yards (5.8 YPC) and 43 touchdowns.
    This one isn't even remotely close. Steve Young gained 2,572 more yards and averaged 2.2 more yards per carry. He also scored 23 more touchdowns in the process.
    Verdict: Steve Young is the most productive rushing quarterback in NFL History and it should come as no surprise that this one particular aspect of the comparison wasn't a question.
    Michael Vick 5857 yards rushing. Do you have Michael Vick in your top 5 too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slacker00 View Post
    Michael Vick 5857 yards rushing. Do you have Michael Vick in your top 5 too?
    Neither here nor there....
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    Quote Originally Posted by inTomWeTrust View Post
    Neither here nor there....
    You quoted rushing yards. I give you a better rushing QB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inTomWeTrust View Post
    only through 6 tds in the superbowl
    Steve Young has one ring. Take that ring away, he's got nothing. Lots of mediocre QBs have a ring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slacker00 View Post
    You quoted rushing yards. I give you a better rushing QB.
    how many Rushing yards and TDS does vick have in playoffs? or SB Rings the question is best qb of all time... please stop...

    I NEVER once said I thought Steve was better than Montana because he wasnt.... but what im saying is hes much closer top 3 than most when it comes to puting them in there.... you can look at anything.. reg season.. marino is best... rings?? bradshaw has 5 ... so please man just stop we're talking OVERALL Best QB and Steve young is top 3-4 of all time


    4) Postseason Passing Performance
    Joe Montana: 460 of 734 (62.7 percent) for 5,772 yards (7.9 YPA), 45 touchdowns, and 21 interceptions.
    Quarterback rating of 95.5.
    Steve Young: 275 of 447 (61.5 percent) for 3,118 yards (7.0 YPA), 20 touchdowns, and 12 interceptions.
    Quarterback rating of 86.1.
    During the postseason, it is Joe Montana who ranks ahead of Steve Young in all of the passing categories. As a matter of fact, Montana's


    5) Postseason Rushing Performance
    Joe Montana: 63 carries for 310 yards (4.9 YPC) and two touchdowns.
    Steve Young: 82 carries for 506 yards (6.2 YPC) and 7 touchdowns.



    27 total for steve with 12 picks?? NOT BAD AT ALL... Joe is joe but dont get it wrong here.. im a cowboys fan man.. i hate the 9ers


    Joe Montana was selected to eight Pro Bowls while Steve Young was selected to seven.
    Both quarterbacks were selected as First-Team All-Pro three times and they were also both selected as Second-Team All-Pro three times.
    Joe Montana won three Super Bowl MVP awards to Steve Young's one. However, in that one Super Bowl, Steve Young broke Joe Montana's Super Bowl record of five touchdown passes by throwing six.
    Both quarterbacks were two-time NFL league MVP award winners and both were two-time NFL Offensive Player of the Year award winners. Joe Montana also won the NFL's Comeback Player of the Year award in 1986
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    mediocore ??????


    7) Career Productive Passing Performance (the combination of both the regular and postseason)
    Joe Montana: 3,869 of 6,125 (63.1 percent) for 46,232 yards (7.5 YPA), 318 touchdowns and 160 interceptions.
    Quarterback rating of 92.6.
    Steve Young: 2,942 of 4,596 (64.0 percent) for 36,242 yards (7.9 YPA), 252 touchdowns and 119 interceptions.
    Quarterback rating of 95.7.
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    Fantasy stats. You are convincing yourself, apparently, but nobody else. Young was 1-1 postseason guy.
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  25. 01-14-14 07:43 PM #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddy Munny View Post
    I'm just playing devil's advocate...I don't believe for a second Steve Young is worthy of top 5 consideration. I await Tooter's submission to bolster his argument on behalf of Steve Young. I am on my way to the refrigerator to score me a cold one. My work here is done.
    Steve Young was absolutely amazing. Right up there with Montana and Brady.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaul2008 View Post
    Steve Young was absolutely amazing. Right up there with Montana and Brady.
    Montana 4 rings
    Bradshaw 4
    Brady 3
    Aikman 3
    Elway 2
    Staubach 2
    Griese 2
    Roethlisberger 2
    Starr 2
    Plunkett 2
    Eli 2
    Peyton 1
    Favre 1
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    Young 1
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    *Cough* Kurt Warner....
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    Yes, Steve Young was great. That's a fact few will argue. But top 5 all time is an elite class....Greatness alone doesn't guarantee you a spot on the Mt. Rushmore of football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddy Munny View Post
    Yes, Steve Young was great. That's a fact few will argue. But top 5 all time is an elite class....Greatness alone doesn't guarantee you a spot on the Mt. Rushmore of football.
    For me it really comes down to playoff wins. Steve Young had 8, compare that to McNabb who had 9, Steve Young is basically the white Donovan McNabb. Nothing wrong with that, but not the greatest of all time. Guys like Brady, Montana, Elway, Favre & Bradshaw have double that.
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    White McNabb? The guy put a ball in the tightest of spots, his accuracy was unreal... the way he ran with his feet combined with football smarts? The guy was a genius, plain and simple. He still is, Is he better than Tom or Joe? I dont think so. Is he in the same league as Favre or Elway ? You bet your ass he is.. You had to of watched him play as a Football player to see just how good he was.. Talk all you want about post-season or rings.. the guy put the best performance on in the biggest game there is out of any QB of all time and that's a fact 43 rushing TD's? Those #'s his smarts and class with the whole Joe thing? I would take him If i had to take 1 qb in one game out of that whole list.
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  32. 01-14-14 11:36 PM #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by slacker00 View Post
    For me it really comes down to playoff wins. Steve Young had 8, compare that to McNabb who had 9, Steve Young is basically the white Donovan McNabb. Nothing wrong with that, but not the greatest of all time. Guys like Brady, Montana, Elway, Favre & Bradshaw have double that.
    unreal
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  33. 01-14-14 11:58 PM #103
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    If you want to bring up rushing yards, why not Cunningham n his 4900 yards, or Michael Vick. With 5800 yards. Seems like they both compete with Steve young.
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