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    Quote Originally Posted by jboy View Post
    but how do you get around the fact that you need to give them the URL ? Ultimately they are gonna see that its an offshore gambling site.... Any suggestions would be helpful...
    Good lord a url address? My god you guys are making it harder than it is to do a **********. Ok I will explain how I do it...and make no mistake I have done it three times from books not paying.

    My bank is Chase. I have a **** debit card that I have used to fund a book.

    1. Book doesn't pay me for some reason, so I call my bank and they transfer me to the dispute department.

    2. A guy/girl answers. They ask me for the debit card number, so I give it to them.

    3. They ask the amount and date I am wanting to dispute. I tell them say January 25th, the date it posted to the account. I tell them the amount...say $1500.

    4. They ask why am I disputing the charge. I say it was not authorized by them and they kept my money when I called them asking them to give it back to me. I have not seen a dime or word from them since then.

    5. They then take 2-3 minutes to put the dispute in and then tell me I need to fill out a form. They can mail, fax it, or e-mail it to me.

    6. The form I fill out simply the dispute number, my card number with expiration date. My address. My telephone number. The date of the charge and the amount. It gives me the option to check whether the card is in my possession or if it was lost. Also there is a spot if the card was stolen or lost. Next it asks you to write in the name of the company that charged the card (You can find this on your bank statement), the amount, and the date again. Then select if the charge was unauthorized, goods not received, and a few other options. I always chose not authorized. Sign it and date it. I then fax it back to them.

    7. When I am on the phone with them before filling out the form after they e-mail it to me they cancel my card and issue me another one. For 5 bucks they over night it to me.

    8. Form filled out, faxed back to them. Within 24-48 hours a credit is back in my account until the settle the dispute.

    9. After a week or two of them looking into they realize the charge was not authorized because I assume it was a gaming site, or the processor did not care to fight the dispute, or didn't have evidence that it was me who did the charge and therefore they lose the money that was sent to them from the bank from the charge.

    10. I get a letter saying the charge was not authorized and that the funds will stay in the account for good.

    That's it...nothing more or less. I have done this at least two if not three times with sportsbooks and won every time. I have done it a couple of times on merchandise such as Ebay stuff cause of a scam or something else. It's not hard at all. Just tell your bank it was not authorized. You called the company up asking them to give you the money back and they don't. So now you disputed the charge with your bank.

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    I don't get it, you guys use Trun's posts for not receiving a wire after 10 business days to freak the fk out and call on massive chargebacks, but when trun says he did receive a wire today, some call him a liar and still call for chargebacks ect... lol

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    Modernmanhustle,

    The above conversation you had, is the reason for th 7-10 day time frame.

    We all keep saying it shouldnt take that long to send a wire, but thatis the time from when sportsbook.com sends it to the processor.

    It should still be 7-10 days from 22nd, accorind to sportsbook, because that time frame is allowing a few days for processing,a nd that is where any delay, and any inconsistencies come in.

    And that is why it takes so long, because they send it to a processor, who could take andywhere from 1-5 days to process it, and then 5 days for your wire to actually be sent.

    They can contactthe processor, but they will be reluctant as well to deal with specifc information, because it is large amoutns of withdrawal sbeing processed.

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    I agree. Even if some of you think that TRUN is lying, shouldn't this fact at least give us a couple days waiting? Yes, if no one else receives by Weds. that's different, but TRUN's wires went out four business days before 3/19, when the first of the rest of ours did. That puts us receiving ours on Wednesday. Everyone do as they will, but logic tells me those from 3/19 may receive theirs on Wednesday of next week.

    TWO QUESTIONS:

    1) Are the checks they are sending out traceable in any way? That should be able to be confirmed w/in 48 hours by a tracking #. Anyone? I thought some were sent out yesterday and could be tracked by tomorrow at noon.

    2) For those that are doing/ have already done chargebacks, let us know the details: what bank/CC you are with, what you had to do,what you put down as the reason, and what happened/is happening. We will help each other get our money back if we do this. If anybody used Wachovia debit cards, for instance, I could really use some info on their policies. Please PM me if you know anything.

    thanks,

    jon


    Quote Originally Posted by ModernManshustle View Post
    I don't get it, you guys use Trun's posts for not receiving a wire after 10 business days to freak the fk out and call on massive chargebacks, but when trun says he did receive a wire today, some call him a liar and still call for chargebacks ect... lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModernManshustle View Post
    I don't get it, you guys use Trun's posts for not receiving a wire after 10 business days to freak the fk out and call on massive chargebacks, but when trun says he did receive a wire today, some call him a liar and still call for chargebacks ect... lol

    I have not done the ********** for Sportsbook.com. I am going to wait a little longer....this was for the people who are unsure of the process.

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    just got off the phone with a supervisor.
    i told her that i have talked to many people (on here mostly) and none of us have recieved our bank wires. (im waiting on someone other than TRUN to recieve one. one is a fluke.)
    she said that is not true. and i said how does she know.
    she said she has recieved confirmation. i asked from who. she said, from upper management.

    LOL

    i asked her if she had been told by a customer that they had recieved their wire. she said not personally.

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    You say one was fluke?

    What does that mean really?

    Either they were sendind them our or they werent.

    They didnt send one wire just to trick us all.

    They sent out wires, we know that now, and someone has received one.

    Hopefully the rest will be coming in soon.

    My biggest worry wa sthat they didnt even send the wires at all. But they have already shown that is not the case.

    I dont htink we are safe yet, by any means, but at this point we should be psoitive about the situation, because wires have been received, and if Trun got one, and there are only a few hundred sportsbook.com players here, then more have been received for sure.

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    It is amazing no one else on here has received anything yet.

    How many others were tol d their wires went out on the 19th?

    How about the 20th?

    This is important. If we do not have many memeber and readers here, with these dates, then our expectations of seeingmore shouldnt be so high.

    Please post if you have one of thes e two first dates that wires were sent!

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    well guess what dude, the ONE that he did get was the SMALLEST one of 8. ask him if that's a fluke. think he's happy with less than 1/8th of his money? and from what i can tell from his post, it isnt even for the right amount of money, and it hasnt really been confirmed that it came from sportsbook.

    until someone else comes on and says "i got my wire" i am assuming we are still getting shit on.

    but i guess we should just go blindly on BAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAA like we have for over a month, and keep on believing every BS excuse. my new withdrawal for a check was going to be going out FRIDAY at the latest as of tuesday. as of today it is going out NEXT TUESDAY at the latest. but yeah, i guess i should just shut up and be happy with getting ****ing robbed.

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    all we're saying that if trun is being truthful, and i believe he is, then sportsbook is not simply buying time while the execs can relocate to honduras or some shit... they are actually working on getting us our money. Also, sportsbook is likely at the mercy of there processors as well, maybe there processors said 5 business days for the wires and then once we complain to sb the processors say it's taking longer then expected sorry....

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    KING OF THE DECK,

    come on here for one and a half days and act like you what you are saying means anything.

    he did confirm it was from sportsbook by the way schmuck, so how about you read first, before you say soemthing stupid again.

    it was for the right value, minus a fee.

    do i know we are getting our money. NO. so how about you stop your whining and grow some grown up real man balls, and either wait patiently, and be happy we have some good news, or **********, because you are so certain you are getting fckd!

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    CAN WE PLEASE BE MOR EPRODUCTIVE TO GET THINGS STRAIGHT!

    anyone who was told their wire was sent on the 19th or 20th, please post, so we realistically know how many plyers will be waiting for the first wires.

    the sample size by day, really can matter in this case.

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    my withdrawls

    8500
    8522.60
    8750
    9000

    All "Sent" on the 19th.

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    I have an $808 wire withdrawal that was supposedly sent out the morning of march 19th.

    Quote Originally Posted by jstblaze View Post
    CAN WE PLEASE BE MOR EPRODUCTIVE TO GET THINGS STRAIGHT!

    anyone who was told their wire was sent on the 19th or 20th, please post, so we realistically know how many plyers will be waiting for the first wires.

    the sample size by day, really can matter in this case.

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    38k was sent to me on the 19th, and 19k was sent to me on the 20th

    No sign of any of it

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    Now it's longer...

    Requested a wire from betonusa.com on 3/21/07...they just sent me an email saying it was sent out 3/28/07 and it should arrive now within 10-15 days...for the past week I have been told 7-10, now its 10-15 days...so we'll see...business as usual...that brings the grand total of days since my FIRST withdrawal request to an even 30 days...

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    sorry i JUST FOUND this forum, i havent been posting since way back.. like.. march 5 2007?

    grow up you douche

    and oh yeah, at no point have i even said the word **********, because i made all my money playing poker off a $20 bonus, unlike you, you degenerate sportsbetting dumbass.

    now im gonna go work on growing those manballs so i have a RIGHT to be upset about being LIED TO FOR A MONTH about getting MY MONEY. yes, MY MONEY. THAT I EARNED. FOR MONTHS.

    douche

    Quote Originally Posted by jstblaze View Post
    KING OF THE DECK,

    come on here for one and a half days and act like you what you are saying means anything.

    he did confirm it was from sportsbook by the way schmuck, so how about you read first, before you say soemthing stupid again.

    it was for the right value, minus a fee.

    do i know we are getting our money. NO. so how about you stop your whining and grow some grown up real man balls, and either wait patiently, and be happy we have some good news, or **********, because you are so certain you are getting fckd!

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    **********

    for chargebacks i am taking the angle that i deposited the money into an online wallet which i coul dthen use how i wish, and now the money is not available to take out after a month, i think this works better than just saying you did notauthorizze the charges, how can you say that whhen you are disputing things months back?

    dont panic guys, 1 guy got it, i think tommorow we might see a nice little batch of wires hit, and have that keep going throughout next week!

    today is only thursday...

    keeep up hope!

    also for chargebacks if i just call to ge tthe paperwork etc.. nothing is official till i send it in right?

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    I don't know if that's true. I think that having it go to gambling should make them ********** automatically because of the law. Someone who has tried it already should know. Please let us know.




    Quote Originally Posted by apaulius View Post
    for chargebacks i am taking the angle that i deposited the money into an online wallet which i coul dthen use how i wish, and now the money is not available to take out after a month, i think this works better than just saying you did notauthorizze the charges, how can you say that whhen you are disputing things months back?

    dont panic guys, 1 guy got it, i think tommorow we might see a nice little batch of wires hit, and have that keep going throughout next week!

    today is only thursday...

    keeep up hope!

    also for chargebacks if i just call to ge tthe paperwork etc.. nothing is official till i send it in right?

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    I really dont have much of an update on my 7 withdrawals - they have asked me to wait till tomorrow, if not Monday - I guess they have told players at 14 business days they will do trace, which may cancel the withdrawal, retrieve it and then back you go --- obvioulsy this would suck and my fear is what processor pulls out and i have expressed this -- so I really didnt get anywhere with them today

    for whomever asked about my 7 - yes over 10K total combined - that is more my fear

    and yes I am shocked also that noone else has posted they have a payment -- and I dont blame you for questioning it without seeing YOUR money - but please - the bashing isnt needed - ill give you info and hopefully it helps -- if the money i did get today is all i get - then yes it makes little difference to me in the big picture - i find it very wierd that it came today and noone else has money and they have no idea about my other withdrawals as well

    What I wouldnt give to wake up to the rest in my bank account in the morning -

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    For the record they have told me the trace would take 2-6 weeks.


    Quote Originally Posted by TRUN View Post
    I really dont have much of an update on my 7 withdrawals - they have asked me to wait till tomorrow, if not Monday - I guess they have told players at 14 business days they will do trace, which may cancel the withdrawal, retrieve it and then back you go --- obvioulsy this would suck and my fear is what processor pulls out and i have expressed this -- so I really didnt get anywhere with them today

    for whomever asked about my 7 - yes over 10K total combined - that is more my fear

    and yes I am shocked also that noone else has posted they have a payment -- and I dont blame you for questioning it without seeing YOUR money - but please - the bashing isnt needed - ill give you info and hopefully it helps -- if the money i did get today is all i get - then yes it makes little difference to me in the big picture - i find it very wierd that it came today and noone else has money and they have no idea about my other withdrawals as well

    What I wouldnt give to wake up to the rest in my bank account in the morning -

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    ouch -- that i did not know

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    wires

    I have a feeling tommorow we might see something hopefully still..

    bigger wires probably get held up at the bank for verification to make sure its legit ...

    i think there are limits to what they check or not..

    lets wait and see all we can do!

    for ********** im gonna get the paperwiork today not say gambling but that its an online wallet

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    Trun,

    Why can't they just call WC Wire and ask them where your money is? Or at a minimum find out if and when it was ever sent

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    Why is there tension b/w some people in this thread? Last time I checked, it was 'sportsbook' that's holding everyone's money. No need to start anything among each other since it isn't helping anyone at all.

    And as far as winning/earning money whether it be winning through the poker room or sports, it is indeed all hard earned. You can't expect to win in these sites if by playing stupid. It's about knowing how to bet and how to play, (again whether it be choosing a side, total, or playing smart poker.)

    we're all on the same side.. remember that..

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    marc

    i really dont know or understand - i have asked and asked and asked - i dont understand it - i called the bank today and they didnt give me any info at really which i was surprised -- granted quick call wanted to see if they knew anything about another wire i was getting - they did say i could talk to someone else and would have to do something else to find more details on when and where -- I really didnt care too much - i was still more in shock to see anything - let alone that wire in 8 days vs the others --- if i dont see anything or get any more help in the next day or monday, I will push it furthur - at this point - im trying to hold out some hope but not overly holding my breath - i would feel better if 5 or more were saying = yep got my wire -

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    Trun,

    You've been craving the attention from day one. Now that you got everybody licking your balls, don't you think it's time to move on with a new thread???

    Isn't it kind of odd how you are the only one claiming a payout? Only time will tell and your bitch ass will be exposed!!!
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    thanks to all those who have posted so far when they requested their wires.

    so far there are only a few of us on here reporting wires that were supposedly sent on 19th or 20th.

    mine was sent on the 20th.

    hopefully more of us will see wires hit tommorrow, or hopefully at least hear of it.

    its really hard to beleive that only one person received, but maybe that was one fluke that happen to process and send earlier that the rest.

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    stiiffed and bruned, we have someone who has provided all theri info over and over, and has been very helpful, and you are what, jealous because your wire didnt arrive.

    man you sound liek a girl. thanks for helping the forum along so much.

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    Chargebacks-important

    Hey all-

    Potentially terrible news about the chargebacks. I just got off the phone with my bank, which is a major bank that issued the debit card I used for these transactions. The woman was extremely helpful and sympathetic to the situation. She told me that the money, when charged, goes immediately to the vendor/middleman, and in a ********** they have to work with the vendor to get the money BACK. She said overseas people like this are usually not very helpful in RECOVERING money. In other words it is up to us to get the money back, not them to prove they deserve it. That changes absolutely everything; there is no way we get it back from the middleman. She even checked with her boss to see if he could do anything. The only thing you could feasibly do is claim the card was stolen and the charges were made then; however, she said that this prompts an investigation and it may result in charges of credit card fraud against you. I wouldn't ever risk that. She also said she thinks ************ function the same way at this point. FWIW she said they will only go back 60 days without an appeal to 120.

    I know someone above said the banks held the money for 6 months, and I believed it b/c it seemed to be reliable. I REALLY hope I'm wrong but I'm not sure how I could be. Basically if we ask for chargebacks they will try to get our money back from CALL4SPORT or whoever for 60 days and then give up.

    I guess we're back to counting on Sportsbook. Great place to be from what I hear.

    Someone tell me I'm wrong, please.

    Jon

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    Also- this is important now for chargebacks- we need to make a list of debit/credit charges to see if would be possible to deal with these companies. The two I can think of offhand they use are:

    TADSERVE
    Call4SPORT

    Everyone build on this list if you can.

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    They have lied, cheated and stolen from us..... GET YOURS
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    Debit cards are very different than chargecards. I was once double billed on a dbit card. Thevendor showed me his statement that he only put through the charge once. The issuing bank insisted that they already sent the money and I would have to get the money from the merchant

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    So you're saying that those with Debit Cards are SOL?


    Quote Originally Posted by marc View Post
    Debit cards are very different than chargecards. I was once double billed on a dbit card. Thevendor showed me his statement that he only put through the charge once. The issuing bank insisted that they already sent the money and I would have to get the money from the merchant

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