[floridagolfer]

Just for kicks, you should take a pencil and small pad of paper and watch a craps game for an hour to two. Make a note of every roll and then go tally the results, which, of course, is no guarantee of future rolls.

[floridagolfer]

Only way to beat craps is dice manipulation!!!

. . . which, as we know, is not possible.

[bettilimbroke999]

Only way to beat craps is dice manipulation!!!

No offense but dice manipulation is an absolute scam to sell books and videos....there are only 2 ways to penetrate the casino at dice and that's short rolling or sliding dice....either one will get you tossed after 3 or 4 rolls. When you sling those dice 12+ feet and they strike the table at an angle and hit that pyramid back wall you are ******.

Also take into consideration even if you "manipulated" one of the dice every # has a corresponding 7 so you'd have to absolutely control BOTH dice or the odds are still the same 1 in 6 of a 7 out. Both dice would have to contact the table exactly square and then bounce dead square into the points of the pyramids of the back wall to maintain their original axis from 10-14 feet depending on your position at the table...if you can do this you will destroy the casino...however its impossible

[DoYouNotGetIT]

No offense but dice manipulation is an absolute scam to sell books and videos....there are only 2 ways to penetrate the casino at dice and that's short rolling or sliding dice....either one will get you tossed after 3 or 4 rolls. When you sling those dice 12+ feet and they strike the table at an angle and hit that pyramid back wall you are ******.

Also take into consideration even if you "manipulated" one of the dice every # has a corresponding 7 so you'd have to absolutely control BOTH dice or the odds are still the same 1 in 6 of a 7 out. Both dice would have to contact the table exactly square and then bounce dead square into the points of the pyramids of the back wall to maintain their original axis from 10-14 feet depending on your position at the table...if you can do this you will destroy the casino...however its impossible

I don't know. I cannot do dice control, but not saying it is impossible. You can short roll at every Vegas casino and they will not care unless you have big money on the table. They will repeat hit the back wall every time. If you do it every time then of course you would get kicked out or have to pass the dice, but I highly doubt if you alternate they will care. Sliding the dice you are asking for trouble unless the dealers are in on it.

[Smoke]

The only way to win at craps long term is to learn how to contol the dice.

[bettilimbroke999]

I don't know. I cannot do dice control, but not saying it is impossible. You can short roll at every Vegas casino and they will not care unless you have big money on the table. They will repeat hit the back wall every time. If you do it every time then of course you would get kicked out or have to pass the dice, but I highly doubt if you alternate they will care. Sliding the dice you are asking for trouble unless the dealers are in on it.

Yea I mean the technique is to stack the 2 dice then you "roll" the top dice while the bottom is slid...the idea being they have their eye on the top dice bouncing around allover the place and think its a straight roll...recently dice sliders took 700k from the Wynn but they're apparently being sued

Dice control is impossible...but a good way to make money by selling books and videos to suckers...think about it like this you could have countless guys betting on a "dice controller's" roll so you would annihilate the casino if this were possible and it wouldnt even arose suspicion bc that the nature of the game to bet on other's rolling and theres no way of knowing who's a dice controller and who's not, unlike card counting where they can count along or could just shuffle up a rich deck or cut half the deck or blah blah blah if they see a guy wanting to bet big all of a sudden and then he walks away we'll you've eliminated any advantage and spotted the card counter, in dice the shooter might just be on a hot roll would you run off a high roller just bc a guy's on a hot roll of course not. There would be no reason to start a website and put your face allover the place with videos and books and instructional classes and blah blah blah if you had a gift like that...again you could roll and someone else or multiple ppl could bet thousands on your roll while you're betting 10 bucks and make a killing every night (only game in Vegas where you bet on someone else), even guys who have no connection with you would probably start betting bigger when they see a guy on a hot roll and rape the casino as well, the casinos are not idiots I assure you.

They AINT gonna let 10 ppl at a dice table all kick their ass every night just bc a "dice controller" bought a craps table and learned to throw...if you think the casino is run by complete moron's that like to give away money then believe this if not DONT. Card counters have MAYBE a 1% advantage over the house and they throw them out the door immediately and call all the other casinos and say look out its the end of the world...if ppl were able to control the dice they would have a huge advantage all the time and tons of ppl betting whatever they want on your rolls...sounds like a great way to sell a bullshit video on how to grip em and lob em and get rich but doesnt translate to real life.

[bettilimbroke999]

I would like information on how to manipulate comps though...could you just go around with 500 bucks buying into tables playing a couple hands for the pit boss and color up when he walks away and cash in then buy in with the same 500 over and over and come off like a huge high roller in their system?

The only way to "beat" the casino besides the 1% advantage over 1000s of hours card counting (without getting barred of course) is to get "over" comped

[chipper]

I've seen 50+ rolls without a 2,3 or 12. Happens all the time.

[Killer_Demo]

1. Set dice
2. Throw on 1 axis
3. bet pass line
4. odds bets only when point is 4 & 10

[sando]

If you want to grind out "free money" painfully, just use an ultra low stakes casino and martingale red/black or odd/even at roulette until you hit. If you start with 10c chips and a 1K roll, then you can absorb 13 losses in a row before you hit their bet limit (which will probably be $500). You don't continue to bet just red until it hits, or zig-zag back and forth, you simply randomly pick red or black after every single loss. I don't have the inclination to do the math, but your chance of losing more than 13 bets in a row using total randomness in your selection (as opposed to blindly backing red or black for 13 straight times, when it is not uncommon to have 1 colour possibly come up 15 straight times) is somewhere around the 0.1% region. The problem with these sytems is that eventually they will get you. It might even work for an entire year playing every day, but eventually you will fall victim to the undisputable laws of mathematics...

[smitch124]

or use a virtual dice roller to test your theory.

this is one I found in a quick search

http://www.random.org/dice/?num=2

You can probably find one that better serves your needs with further research

[andywend]

If you want to grind out "free money" painfully, just use an ultra low stakes casino and martingale red/black or odd/even at roulette until you hit. If you start with 10c chips and a 1K roll, then you can absorb 13 losses in a row before you hit their bet limit (which will probably be $500). You don't continue to bet just red until it hits, or zig-zag back and forth, you simply randomly pick red or black after every single loss. I don't have the inclination to do the math, but your chance of losing more than 13 bets in a row using total randomness in your selection (as opposed to blindly backing red or black for 13 straight times, when it is not uncommon to have 1 colour possibly come up 15 straight times) is somewhere around the 0.1% region. The problem with these sytems is that eventually they will get you. It might even work for an entire year playing every day, but eventually you will fall victim to the undisputable laws of mathematics...

$1,000 to win 10 cents. Where do I sign up?

[sando]

$1,000 to win 10 cents. Where do I sign up?

If you can't understand what I just explained clearly in laymans terms, then you sir are too dumb to be gambling with real money. Stick to fantasy sports. Imbecile.