[Fred The Hammer]

Would you really want to lay 6 points with Christian Ponder, probably the worst starting QB in the NFL?

Because you don't need Ponder to win by atleast a TD. The Browns players know management just made a pitch at the #1 pick...same way Indy did by playing Curtis Painter.

[C-Gold]

Great minds think alike......thinking the exact same thing. Grigson (Colts GM) couldn't be randomly calling teams to see if they'd give up their lead RB. Cleveland had to be the one making calls. If Indy can stabilize their O-line for the future...Houston is getting old. Indy should go on a PM type domination of the AFC South

I agree 100%

Despite all the hype about Kaep, Russell Wilson, Cam and RG SHEET, Andrew Luck is quietly the best young QB prospect in the game. Yeah they had a weak schedule last year but he took a 2 win team to the playoffs.

[C-Gold]

What does this have to do with the Vikings being able to win by 6 points on Sunday?? The guy told you that they won a bunch of games last year by 6+ WITH shitty Ponder.....what makes you think that won't happen again this year?

They have film on him. What he does is easy to defend. Vikings will go 4-12 this year.

[MoneyLineDawg]

They have film on him. What he does is easy to defend. Vikings will go 4-12 this year.

He played like shit last season, he wasn't a rookie either so teams had film on him already and they were still pretty decent

Vikings will be average, 4 wins too low

[pologq]

the only thing i can see is trent told the browns he doesnt plan to be there long term if they can't get an o line and a QB. they figure trade him now while the value is there. doing it after 2 games is totally weird because all that prep during the preseason and you make a big change like this just begs for it to fail.

[BigDeem5]

I will add details later.

[broadway6]

i wonder if colts end up dreading this trade.


I have a hunch the Colts will end up wishing they could use that #1 on a lineman to project luck or a defensive player.

[yisman]

I'd love for the line to move to 49ers -9.5. I'd be happy for it to move to -10.

It's been 10 at every single book aside from the ones using teaser protection (5 Dimes/Pinnacle).

[C-Gold]

He played like shit last season, he wasn't a rookie either so teams had film on him already and they were still pretty decent

Vikings will be average, 4 wins too low

@ Lions LOSS
@ Bears LOSS
Cleveland
Steelers
Bye
Panthers
@ Giants LOSS
Packers LOSS
@ Dallas LOSS
Redskins
@ Seattle LOL LOSS
Bears
@ Ravens LOSS
Eagles
@ Bengals LOSS
Lions

6 or 7 winnable games, how many of them do you think they will win with no QB?

4-12 is a lot more likely than 8-8.

[SteveRyan]

Would I be correct in assuming that Cleveland will use their 1st round pick for a QB?

[C-Gold]

Part of the reason why crappy teams stay crappy is because they have to keep wasting 1st round, 2nd round or 3rd round picks on quarterbacks. Almost every single starting QB is a first rounder.

So while the crappy teams keep wasting high picks having QB tryouts...

Patriots, Giants, Steelers, Saints these teams don't have to do it. Yeah they recently took Mallet and the Nassib in the mid rounds but these guys are strictly drafted as backups to fill in for a few games in case of injury.

[SteveRyan]

Just doesn't make any sense for them to draft anyone but a QB. Trent was the only card they had to play with and it's not likely they would get a 1st round RB better than him.

[ChalkyDog]

All you people ready to jump on Minnesota -6 just remember Leslie Frazier

He moved up and really reached on Christian Ponder with the 12th pick in the 1st round. Leslie Frazier is the Rooney Rule media appointed smart guy said that Ponder was the best QB in the entire draft class, he was the #1 QB on their board. Let's see who else was in that draft class.

#1 Cam Newton
#8 Jake Locker
#10 Blaine Gabbert
#12 Ponder
#35 Andy Dalton aka fire crotch
#36 Colin Kaepernick

Ponder is arguably the worst guy on that list. The Vikings are wasting Adrian Peterson because of Christian Ponder and the numb nuts Rooney Rule coach that reached to pick him.

So, what you're saying is they missed on Dalton and Kaepernick.

#1 on "their" draft board = The guy they just drafted in media speak.

[jjgold]

Cleve should fold

horrific organization

[k13]

terrible trade for the browns colts most likely make the playoffs and this pick is looking to be no earlier than 20th overall trent richardson is worth more than a 20th overall pick

[k13]

Way to go Cleavland..Kid gets 1200 total yards of offense w/12 touchdowns his first year on a piss poor Browns team while being a little banged up

He was one of the worst RB's in the NFL last year.

Teams don't care about Fantasy Football.

[k13]

Kid was like the 38th best RB.

Weird move but still...

[Chi_archie]

Trent was over-rated

kid didn't have the break away ability on this level.

no he didn't have the greatest line, but hell just about any 3rd string RB in the League could have had more big plays then him.

in his career he only has two runs longer than 20 yards.

two!!!!

smart move by the Browns. They knew what they had with him and he wasn't what they need for the future.

[Oteder]

Enought of that do we lean minny or what?

[SteveRyan]

He was one of the worst RB's in the NFL last year.

Teams don't care about Fantasy Football.

He wasn't that bad.

Tied for 5th in touchdowns (11) and 18th in total yardage (950).

[BigDeem5]

Gordon (josh) is next.

[Mac4Lyfe]

As a Browns fan, I didn't think I'd say this in week 2.

"Wait till next year"

[ThaTopMoron]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

no more Donald Brown trying to pick up up the blitz with the game on the line? good.

move could end up good or bad.... but.... at least Indianapolis WANTS to win and makes moves to try and do just that.

[Nick Papageorgio]

On teddy vs geno. Jets fan here also long time college football watcher so I know my fair share about Geno Smith. Teddy lacks the star wr that geno had. Teddy throws less screens and quick hitters than geno did. Teddy goes down field more than geno and is far more accurate. Teddy impressed alot @ Kentucky so far this year, he had a great 2nd half against a stout D. Teddy is a top 5 pick Geno was a 2nd rounder. Geno would not be drafted much higher than he was if he was in the upcoming draft class. Can't really compare a top 5 talent vs a r2.

[Cyyyyk]

It seems like decent value on both sides of the trade....... but I would really hate to be a Browns fan already having to think about a few years down the road.

[icancount2one]

I hate that argument. The Vikings won despite him last year not because of him.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won super bowls. Dan Marino didn't. Tim Tebow won 2 playoff games and can't even get a backup gig.

So, what you're saying is just because the QB sucks you can't base your entire decision off that? Seems you agree with the poster you quoted, and me as well.

[brooks85]

Step 1. Make a smart trade.
Step 2. Do it again for a real QB.

[teaserpleaser]

stealing colts are stealing

[Ghenghis Kahn]

lol people saying a third string would be better than richardson is clueless.

i guarantee indy is extremely happy with richardson if he stays healthy.

obviously they don't trust bradshaw's foot.

[Huckleberry Pig]

anytime you draft a 28yr old rookie (that wasn't great in college) to be your starting qb you know your organization is dumb as shyt

[ThaTopMoron]

the thing is... the Colts in the future won't have a top 10 anything pick for a while. but now, we got a RB who was taken 3rd overall and has only played basically 1 season and he was limited by injuries. he has ton of upside playing alongside a great QB and other playmakers on offense.

now that we got him, and the only reason we could do this trade is because he is in his rookie contract and it is affordable. now we can focus on improving the lines and linebackers in the next couple of off-seasons and picking our spots when needed for other areas of the team.

[BIGDAY]

Vikes in a teaser.

[sweep]

Vikes in a teaser.

[The Samurai]

Why would the Browns do this? Is the tank for Clowney on in Cleveland? Richardson force his way out?

All this Clowney talk is insane. While he is, thus far, the supreme defensive prospect. Look through the history books through the #1 overall DE panning out. Mario Williams? Kinda iffy if you ask me. Bruce Smith OK you got one there but that's like 1985. Leeroy Selmon? IDK never saw him play but hear he was a bad ass. You don't draft a DE #1!!! Solid guys at that position are entirely more plentiful. Personally, I'll sign a dude like Freeney or Dumervil off the street, that I know can play, as opposed to crippling my franchise on a pass rushing prospect. #1 picks are for QBs and Offensive Tackles.

[The Samurai]

lol people saying a third string would be better than richardson is clueless.

i guarantee indy is extremely happy with richardson if he stays healthy.

obviously they don't trust bradshaw's foot.

Fukkin A right GK!!! Dude moves the chains and doesn't litter the ball. They didn't draft Luck #1 because they want to run the thing. They just need a back that will keep them in 3rd and manageable. They don't need the home run threat. Luck is the home run threat!